Live Blog: Indiana Votes
Posted: May 3, 2016 Filed under: 2016 elections, Hillary Clinton, Live, Live Blog | Tags: Indiana Primary 2016 193 Comments
Good Evening!
We’re still hanging in here with the primaries given that this year’s Most Delusional Campaign and Candidate award has three contenders still vying for trophy. Maybe it has something to do with the vast level of ignorance when it comes to math, science, and basic recognition of facts and reality that permeates the country. I know that I’ve seen an appalling increase in lack of math, statistics, and basic knowledge since my undergrad days.
Five-Thirty-Eight argues there could be three possible outcomes tonight for the GOP, Well, yes, that’s true. But, which will it be?
Donald Trump may be a runaway train. He has blasted through his 50 percent “ceiling,” outperforming his polls and winning a clear majority in the last six states to cast ballots. All that success occurred in the Northeast, however, so here’s the question: Is Trump wrapping up this nomination, or is he just really strong in the Northeast?
We’ll get some answers in Indiana on Tuesday. It’s a culturally conservative state where many political observers (including yours truly) thought Ted Cruz had a good shot at coalescing the anti-Trump vote. Indiana is also, in terms of demographics, slightly below average for Trump. In other words, the #StopTrump movement, if it’s at all serious, should win the Hoosier State. And yet, Trump leads in most of the polling there.
Clinton has no party scheduled tonight and is clearly focused on the General Election.
Hillary Clinton is ready to put the Democratic primary in her rear view mirror and get to work on Donald Trump.
She made that abundantly clear in an exclusive interview with MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell Tuesday in West Virginia. Clinton also said that the FBI has still not contacted her regarding her private email server, and the Democratic front-runner detailed under what circumstances she would release transcripts of her paid speeches.
“I’m really focused on moving into the general election,” Clinton said when asked about the primary election Tuesday in Indiana. “And I think that’s where we have to be, because we’re going to have a tough campaign against a candidate who will literally say or do anything. And we’re going to take him on at every turn on what’s really important to the people of our country.”
Clinton shrugged off questions about Bernie Sanders, who is vowing to challenge Clinton all the way to the Democratic National Convention in July.
“We’re going to unify the party, and we’re going to have a great convention and we’re going to be absolutely focused on making our case to the American public against Donald Trump, and I think he will be a part of that,” Clinton said.
Giving the most clear picture of her campaign’s general election strategy from the candidate’s own mouth, she said she will try to avoid getting into the mud with Trump and keep her attacks focused on his policy and fitness to do the job.
Exit poll information has begun to be released.
Preliminary exit poll results from Indiana’s Democratic primary show a contest with turnout that’s higher than usual this year among liberals (notably strong liberals), young voters, whites and those focused on a candidate who’s honest or cares about people like them – all some of Bernie Sanders’ better groups to date.
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Clinton’s ideas are seen as more realistic by Indiana voters – nearly eight in 10 vs. more than six in 10 for Sanders – but the gap’s a bit smaller than usual in preliminary exit poll results. It’s been 76 to 57 percent in the nine states where the question’s been asked before.
Clinton’s also done well so far by linking herself with Barack Obama. More Indiana voters think the next president should continue Obama’s policies, half, while fewer, just more than a third, prefer a more liberal direction. But, again, the gap’s smaller than usual. Supporters of more liberal policies are more numerous than average in Indiana, a group that’s voted heavily for Sanders in past contests.
Meanwhile, back in Bernie Land we see more talk about a contested convention. Some of the press aren’t so enthusiastic. Some of them are.
What Sanders is proposing is a necessary quest—and a realistic one. Already, he is better positioned than any recent insurgent challenger to engage in rules and platform debates, as well as in dialogues about everything from the vice-presidential nomination to the character of the fall campaign. As veteran political analyst Rhodes Cook noted in a survey prepared for The Atlantic, by mid-April, Sanders had exceeded the overall vote totals and percentages of Howard Dean in 2004, Jesse Jackson in 1988, Gary Hart in 1984, and Ted Kennedy in 1980, among others. (While Barack Obama’s 2008 challenge to Clinton began as something of an insurgency, he eventually ran with the solid support of key party leaders like Kennedy.) By the time the District of Columbia votes on June 14, Sanders will have more pledged delegates than any challenger seeking to influence a national convention and its nominee since the party began to democratize its nominating process following the disastrous, boss-dominated convention of 1968.
I prefer Michael Cohen’s take at the Boston Globe.
The same candidate who has been railing against independent voters being disenfranchised, who has called the primary system undemocratic, and who has complained about superdelegates, in general, is now calling on those same superdelegates to vote against Clinton (that would apparently include delegates from the states Clinton has won), even though she will almost certainly have the most pledged delegates and the most votes. In head-to-head general election polls, Clinton trounces Trump, but since Sanders trounces him by a bit more, he argues that he should be the nominee.
In the realm of illogical, self-serving, hypocritical, intellectually dishonest political arguments, this is practically the gold standard. But with six weeks to go until the last primary, I have great confidence that the Sanders campaign will find some way to top it.
So, join us as we count down to California by watching the returns from Indiana tonight!!
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Good luck tonight. Love you all.
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Love you too! Hugz!
Back at ya.
Tom Walters on CTV Power Play: “Bernie Sanders is looking increasingly like a guy who’s just angry with arithmetic.”
LOL! He’s been looking like that for some time.
Bernie is just using his supporters as an ATM to pay his advisors at this point.
He is just a hateful SOB!
Whatever he is, he needs to go back to Vermont and they can keep him. Maybe name a nice Sonnuvabitch jam after him.
He keeps saying the democrats are rigging the vote. The system isn’t rigged. He might want to compare voting records going back 1980’s, people are not coming out to the polls. This ideal that he’s getting them out is bull. Back then 42% came out, today about 26% are coming out to vote.
He needs to understand how important the supreme court is. In the next couple of months, by July, they will decide who will and will not vote. 600,000 voters in Texas is up at the bat, and Bernie might want to pay attention to who is rigging the vote, and all the gerrymandering going on. He insist it’s the democrats, and can’t seem to the overall picture here, and how important it is.
Hey Mona!
Hiya 🙂
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Bernie’s not in Indiana either. His HQ for tonight is in Kentucky.. The media has been hyping that Hillary isn’t in Indiana today, but neither is Bernie (not for the actual returns), so um okay.
Very early votes in at 1% Hillary at 63.1% 3,118 votes vs Bernie at 36.9% 1825
Yes, and they both have been on air today. Did you see what’s her face? Andrea?
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Sounds good for Hillary.
That does sound good.
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Great!
She been gaining ground for a long time! Go Indiana
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Typical, Lol
Good!
Indiana could be a back-breaker for those still hoping to stop Donald Trump http://politi.co/1pYUYEA
Trump’s nomination is truly horrifying– but Cruz isn’t any better and certainly hasn’t earned it.
Not only is Trump as a person and candidate horrifying, but so is the mindset of those voters who have such little information and knowledge about issues and government, that they yearn for a strongman outsider” to take over and fix things. That’s how the fascists took over in the 1920’s.
It is incredible, William, simply incredible.
Cruz is just as bad though… the GOP is irredeemable right now.
And looks like Carly is still worthless in a merger
Well, I mean, the hilarious thing was *right* before Cruz went off on his “poor me, bullied by Trump” monologues today,Ted Cruz’s NJ chair Steve Lonegan told CNN that Republicans weren’t going to elect “Hillary Clinton with a penis” (of Trump).. literally just moments before. And, then Cruz goes off about how Donald is horrible to women and how he (Cruz) has been surrounded by strong women all his life… Right. How’s that working for Carly? Was that floor she fell on that he was wholly unaware of — did that feel super supportive?
Trump and Cruz are both awful people.
So far, Hillary is ahead in almost every county–except about 3 or 4 where Bernie is ahead by a small amount.
Fingers crossed. I love you guys!
Love you too, Pat. Just remember, it’s all about delegates. It doesn’t really matter who wins. The race is over anyway. I’d still love to see Hillary beat Bernie in IN. I know he thinks it’s a good state for him.
Yup my eyebrows are raised every time she beats Him.
Bernie is ahead in Bloomington, of course, also a couple other Southern counties.
They called it for Trump, saying Hillary v Bernie too early to call, but she’s been leading…
Trump’s numbers are close on the board so I wonder what the dynamics are on that.
Yeah, I was just texting a friend about that. Lol. They always do that with H tho… I guess cause of those exits BB referenced that showed Bernie 12% ahead, they’re gonna drag this out.
It looks like Trump could carry every district.
Shorter Republicans: #NeverTrump but #HellNoNotCruz
Dave Wasserman is saying that Hillary could win by 20%!
Whoa!
Whoa. She’s only ahead 52.3 47.7 at 11%… that would be fantastic tho!
He’s basing it on Bernie getting lower numbers than expected in places that should be favorable to him. Marion Cty is just starting to come in. That’s Indianapolis and should be Hillary territory. It’s still only 9% reporting overall.
Wasserman is from Cook political report. He’s very good.
🙂 I actually know who Wasserman is–it’s just really hard to trust anything when it’s tightening as it has been the past leg, but I suppose that’s heavy Bernie areas reporting in. It’s 51/49 right now, but I agree with what you said above to Pat–it doesn’t really matter, in terms of the race or delegates. It just would be nice, that’s all.
That’s the hottest news yet.
This guy (Ryan Nolan) lives in Indiana.
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I don’t know but I’m starting to fell pessimistic about IN. I hope HRC still win. I’m now seriously sick of Bernie, Jane, Jeff Weaver and the rest of that campaign.
Why are you pessimistic? It’s looking really good for her.
I feel comfortable with a double-digit lead. It’s now down to a tie. I hope the better counties for Hillary are coming later.
Hi Mona 🙂
Well he is already speaking… with votes not even close to being fully in or any winner declared… so there’s that.
Good godesses! It’s the same damn speech again!!!
It’s going to be close either way, and it doesn’t really matter who wins. It’s all about delegates.
True, it’s this waiting from him to run completely out of steam with his SO called socialist regime.
Hi mablue 🙂 Yeah, not feeling great about Indiana at this point…but we’ll see…
CNN has the Bern speaking in a few minutes. I have such Bernie fatigue!
That means he doesn’t expect to win Indiana. Otherwise he’d wait till the votes are in.
That’s a good point.
Thank goodness for the mute function!
You just cracked me up!
The young woman behind Bernie looks like she’s suffering. Guess she’s feeling the Bern!
Fake socialist speaking… before votes are anywhere close to being all in or any winner projected…
He is a freaking fake socialist. MSNBC cut away from his speech!!!
Ditto, that’ how I feel.
There he goes again! Every time I hear him speak, I have to resist banging my head against the table. 😣 Time for the mute button…… Before I hurt myself…..
Bernie says he wins the votes for people 45 or younger…and then segues on to the stump speech that all ills of the Republic is “the economy.” We’ll see where this speech ends…
Let’s just hope it ends…
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That Nation piece is bizarre in how hard it utterly ignores Clinton’s 2008 run in order to show that Bernie is some sort of important phenomenon. He may have exceeded the vote totals of Dean, Jackson, etc, but he’s not even in the ballpark compared to her 18 million votes in 2008. (Also, the population of the US has grown quite a bit since those earlier candidates’ runs).
Plus, the statement that it took Bernie to raise issues like a $15 min wage to move in Bernie’s direction is just a plain lie.
Even if the author had a point though — and theoretically a strong but losing primary candidate could do much good in influencing the party’s platform — Sanders has shown nothing in the past month to indicate that he cares about the issues. His focus has been on attacking both Clinton and the Democratic party. He is not running an issues race, he’s running as if he could still win. He’s edging towards scorched earth. That’s not a person you can trust to use his popularity to influence the party on issues.
Absolutely correct, Valhalla.
Oh fuck no! What the hell MSNBC? Jeff Weaver?
Weaver looks like a misogynist Meathead but that’s an insult to Rob Reiner lol
The guy is just an a-hole and an arsonist.
I think he’s very reptilian looking.
Feel the Bern… there’s a cream for that… it’s called Preparation H.
Good one!
50/50 bernie and H tied
Yes goods! Bernie to the left of me Weaver to the right….back in the middle with Hill again.
That should be “ye gods”… Darn spell check!
I certainly hope that Hillary pulls it out. But the potential loss could probably have been avoided with just a little money being spent on ads in Indiana. Now if Sanders wins, we are going to have to hear from Devine and Weaver all month, because he’s got some favorable states coming up. A win here would have totally squelched Sanders.
She doesn’t spend like Sanders–who for a pseudo socialist spends like a drunken sailor. She’s been good at making choices on where to spend and where to make cost effective choices. She’s won every state she needed to and then some. I have other problems with her campaign, but the ad buy choices aren’t one of them. Indiana was close in 2008 too.
Check this out. This guy is a contributing editor at Red State:
https://twitter.com/BenHowe/status/727634624067870720
Good grief.
He’s apparently not a Trump fan. 😀
Lake County (Gary) is just starting to come in. That’s where much of the black population is. Hillary will win big there. Marion County is still mostly uncounted as well.
I don’t know why no one listens to me, an actual Hoosier. 29% of the vote counted and everyone’s a Debbie Downer–Wasserman, Silver, Giordano know nothing apparently. Oh well . . . I’m going to shut up now.
I believe BB☺
Thank you. I do not believe that Bernie would have given his speech so early if he thought he was winning.
I listen to you, bb. 😀 My daughter is all stressed over here and I keep telling her to chill. When you look at the places where the votes are yet to be counted it seems HRC should win this one. Like you said, it will be close, but she will win.
It looks like Bernie is getting the early votes, so he could win. It will be close though. He won’t gain more than about 5 delegates on her. However, Lake County is still mostly out and so far she is getting about 64%. Gary is 85% black, folks.
It’s a mystery to me why so many people don’t seem to understand that the Democratic primary is over.
TV shows have to try to build their ratings.
Yup.
You know, the media, and Hillary’s camp is not exactly doing their best to present the facts that it is over.
Maddow did an excellent job presenting the facts that it is over, and I’m not even a particular Maddow fan or anything….
Makes you wonder if they are really listening. I am not a great fan either, she’s been up down and all around, and makes me think she’s dizzy at times.
I can’t get the video to embed but Peter’s got it up at this link … it’s good…. http://bluenationreview.com/maddow-launches-epic-rant-against-bernies-radical-convention-strategy/
Thanks, Mona. I haven’t seen that yet.
Yup, thank you Mona
Deal me in, please don’t shut up now. Put it all up, I’m in.
You know me. I can’t shut up.
I think Hillary should have campaigned a little more and put in some $$ in IN.
I know she has to turn to the GE and save some cash, but a good win here would have demoralized the Sanders troop. Now, we’re going to have him yelling all over our TV and Jane Sanders appearing on every MSNBC show.
If I had to choose between going all in for CA or IN… I’d choose CA. Bernie outspends her everywhere plus his ATM machine is running out of cash on hand.
Even if the Bern loses IN, he &the gang are not going to shut-up and go away.
Exactly. They’re going to keep ranting and whining no matter what happens.
Hillary campaigned as much or more than Bernie did in Indiana. The Clinton campaign is not going to spend a lot more money against Bernie, because he has already lost. It would be stupid to do that, IMO.
As Mona says, CA is more important, but even if Bernie won big there (he won’t) it wouldn’t matter. Hillary can lose every primary from now on and still win the nomination.
WE are going to carry Hillary all the way, through California and on the road to the White House.
That’s the ticket! Bring on the BULLY. Let’s make him cry!
Here is the other thing that comes to my mind……Trump is going to have to debate, not going to be a teleprompter, not going to be, let me talk it over with my Johnsons.
It’s all going to hang out, and the tycoon will go done.
I’m willing to bet that Trump will refuse to debate.
He can’t refuse in the general election……….but we will see.
Lake County isn’t even 1% counted yet. That will come in last. Remember in 2008 when the held back the votes in Gary hoping they could put Obama over the top?
Yes! I do remember that, and that the mayor of Gary was apparently trying to figure out some way to gimmick the votes, but I guess finally gave up.
Yes, Hillary ended up winning narrowly.
“Preliminary exit poll results from Indiana’s Democratic primary show a contest with turnout that’s higher than usual this year among liberals (notably strong liberals), young voters, whites and those focused on a candidate who’s honest or cares about people like them – all some of Bernie Sanders’ better groups to date.
I tried to bold “who’s honest or cares about people like them” but I don’t know how!!
Politifact rates Hillary @ 95% and Bernie @ 46% on the truth-telling scale. I think a better reason to account for Bernie’s edge with young voters is that he goes to college towns and promises them a free ride if they’ll just get out and vote. It’s the most cynical and transparent ploy imaginable.
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I think I’m going to enjoy this Ted Cruz speech. 🙂
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Carly talking about the first amendment being handed down by God, and the Bill of Rights, and how man had no right to interfere. Now Cruz is saying the same damn thing.
It was hard even to feel kindly about Cruz’s concession speech.
He lies, he said we have never exploited other countries, liar, we have done it for decades.
Cruz is gonna drop out….
I think he is going to say I accept your nomination.
He suspended. Good riddance!
Wow! Great news. I thought he’d keep going.
Cruz’s dad must have a direct line to the wrong gawd ….
Yay, had to walk my Murphy, and Josey……………good god almighty, I am going to sleep good tonight.
Two minutes after he walked off the stage. Lying Ted, Good bye, and so long.
“It took Carly Fiorina 6 years to run HP into the ground. Only took her 6 days to take down Ted Cruz.”
Good job, Carly. Thank you..
His wife creeps me out. The entire time she has been starring at him, never looking at the crowd. What the hell is up with that?
Can you imagine, just think what it must have been like to work with his wife at Goldman Sacks? I trying, really to see her, and all I see is 100 cans of Campbell soup in her pantry.
Hilarious!
If I never have to see or hear from this asshole again I will give thanks,
Amen, go back to Canada.
Second thought, go to hell, where he comes from.
He probably told her she had to ‘focus’ on him.
Trump is going to have a three month head start on Hillary in the general election, if Sanders stays in until August.
Hillary is already running against Trump. Bernie has lost whether he likes it or not. It’s over.
Hillary is going after his platform combover card!
Wapo reporting 56.9% with Sanders 52.9% vs Clinton 47%.
Saint Joseph/South Bend 100% reporting for Sanders, 52.8% vs 47.2%
South Bend is home to Notre Dame and Saint Mary’s.
Clinton just won Perry and Harrison.
Lake Co is now reporting @ 19.1% with Clinton 55.6 vs Sanders 44.4%
Marion Co is 75.2% with Sanders 51.3% vs Clinton 48.7%
62.6% reporting with Sanders 53.1% vs Clinton 46.9%
One interesting point. Look at the Southern edge of the state where Hillary winning every county. That is why she was in Kentucky yesterday.
Yeah, I thought that was interesting too!
I don’t see how she can catch up; she is behind 29 thousand votes.
I wonder how many open primaries are left for the Democrats? Now that Cruz has dropped out, Republicans are free to jump in and vote for Bernie. Maybe that’s what Sanders was anticipating.
I believe that there are only 3 open primaries left. None of them in big States. I want to see the exit polls to find out how many independents voted.
According to CNN exit poll, 22% of voters identified as independents.
CA & NJ are mixed meaning that independents can vote in eithere primary but repubs cannot vote in dem primary.
Re: the CA primary. I just received my sample ballot today. In the Primary, for President and local party officials, a person must vote their party, unless they do a write in. However, if they write in a non party candidate that vote will be tossed because their candidate must have also registered as a write in. For all the rest of the down ticket candidates, Federal and state and local, a person may vote either party. Some Sanders folks have actually been talking about registering Republican. However, except as a protest vote I don’t see it.
Wapo just declared for Sanders.
Thanks, great to have that information.
To further clarify, on the official ballot page for non-partisan candidates no presidential candidates are listed, because NONE of the parties permitted their candidates to register that way. Writing them in will lose your vote. If anyone is still thinking along those lines do NOT confuse registering non partisan with Independent.. that could put you in George Wallace’s far right party.
My wife and I are no party preference registered in Alameda County. We are permanent vote by mail voters. We received postcards 2 weeks ago informing us that if we wanted to vote in the June 7th Primary we needed to request the appropriate party ballot in order to vote in the Presidential Primary. We did so. Any CA no party preference voter can do the same by request to their County Elections Office or poll worker.
From CA Sec of State Website:
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/political-parties/no-party-preference/
No Party Preference Information
Voting in Presidential Primary Elections
Voters who registered to vote without stating a political party preference are known as No Party Preference (NPP) voters. NPP voters were formerly known as “decline-to-state” or “DTS” voters.
For presidential elections: NPP voters, unless they choose otherwise (see below), will receive a “non-partisan” ballot that does not include presidential candidates. A nonpartisan ballot contains only the names of candidates for voter-nominated offices and local nonpartisan offices and measures.
Voting in the June 7, 2016, Presidential Primary Election
An NPP voter will receive a non-partisan ballot, which will have no presidential candidates listed.
However, upon request, an NPP voter can instead vote the presidential ballot of the following parties:
American Independent Party
Democratic Party
Libertarian Party
Why? Each political party has the option of allowing NPP voters to vote in their presidential primary election. 135 days before the election, political parties must notify the Secretary of State’s office whether or not they will allow NPP voters to vote in their presidential primary election. The above three parties notified the Secretary of State that they will allow NPP voters to request their party’s presidential ballot for the June 7, 2016, Presidential Primary Election.
How to request a party ballot? The NPP voter may ask their county elections office or poll worker, at their polling place, for a ballot for one of the above three parties. An NPP voter may not request more than one party’s ballot.
The following three parties notified the Secretary of State that they have chosen not to allow NPP voters to request their party’s presidential ballot participate in their presidential primary election:
Republican
Green
Peace & Freedom
If an NPP voter wants to vote for a presidential candidate in the Republican, Green, or Peace and Freedom party, the NPP voter must re-register to vote with one of those parties by May 23, 2016. To register online go to registertovote.ca.gov.
CA online registration link didn’t make it into my post:
registertovote.ca.gov.
MSNBC calls it for the Bern.
CNN did too.
Oh well, it doesn’t change the math.
68.9% reporting, with Sanders 53.3% vs Clinton 46.8%
Sanders looks to net 3 delegates
Wapo is showing 42 to 36, but Lake Co is only 34% reporting.
I’m heading home from Atlanta, Bebe had a sound check and rehearsal tonight for her spring concert on Saturday. It means three extra trips to Atlanta this week alone. So I’ve been watching from a distance. Sigh. Xoxoxo
You have beautiful and talented kids. Enjoy since soon they will be gone. Take it from one who knows this all too well. XXOO
I’m seeing net +6 for Sanders.
yeah, it looks like it’s settling in at +6 for Sanders. Gary area still has a fair amount of votes to count, but her advantage there at best might bring it down to +5. He will net at least 4 and maybe 5 delegates.
I know at this point it’s not going to affect her delegate lead — he needed to win 65% of the vote for it to matter — but at this point I begrudge his every win, because it means more droning and bullsh#t from his supporters.
At 83.4% Wapo is still reporting 42 Sanders to 36 Clinton in delegates, for a total of 78. however, Wapo says there are 83 at stake, which I gather, includes the Supers? So the delegate spread could be different, or these could represent the folks Sanders is going to work on.
Clinton just won Gibson Co @ 71.1%
I just can’t listen to this massive fool any longer. Back to my book.
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That would be fine if he wasn’t saying she was money laundering, and his wife living on CNN and MNSBC talking about her mails etc.
Exactly. That supporter above is suffering from serious cognitive dissonance.
Let this sink in:
Come Feb 2017:
The MD of the IMF
The chair of the Federal Reserve
The President of the United States
Will all be silver haired women
Oh yes!
That will be a sight for sore eyes.
Thank the goddesses!
Sounds right to me!
MSNBC has the Bern with his victory speech. CNN is not covering it.
Hmm.
CNN emphasising the delegate math and focusing on Clinton/Trump match up.
MSNBC was in full unabashed celebration mode.
I hope Hills landslides the crap out of Trump.
After last night the website Democratic Primary Results has Hillary still in the lead by 321 pledged delegates. Hillary 1,682 / Asshole 1,361
😀
Ohio Gov. John Kasich to end presidential campaign: report http://ow.ly/4nq9h9
No surprise. Here we go Sky Dancers. Trump v. Clinton. May the gods and goddesses bestow mercy on us.
Yes. And let’s hope the party pistol swats the gadfly to oblivion.
I really thought that Kasich would have been a more successful Trojan Horse. But watching him he had become much more smug and dismissive and generally “a$$holey” in recent years. He didn’t seem to be trying to win in my book.
This may have been a play for VP all along.
Agreed
https://twitter.com/mrnickharvey/status/714447211376025601
yup.