Rick Santorum “Almost Threw Up” after Reading JFK Speech on Separation of Church and State

The quote comes from a speech Santorum gave last October at the College of Saint Mary Magdalen in Warner, New Hampshire:

“Earlier in my political career I had opportunity to read the speech, and I almost threw up.”

How nice of him to share. This morning on This Week, George Stephanopoulos asked Santorum why JFK’s speech made him feel like throwing up. Here’s his reply:

Because the first line, first substantive line in the speech says, “I believe in America where the separation of church and state is absolute.” I don’t believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute. The idea that the church can have no influence or no involvement in the operation of the state is absolutely antithetical to the objectives and vision of our country.

This is the First Amendment. The First Amendment says the free exercise of religion. That means bringing everybody, people of faith and no faith, into the public square. Kennedy for the first time articulated the vision saying, no, faith is not allowed in the public square. I will keep it separate. Go on and read the speech. I will have nothing to do with faith. I won’t consult with people of faith. It was an absolutist doctrine that was abhorrent (ph) at the time of 1960. And I went down to Houston, Texas 50 years almost to the day, and gave a speech and talked about how important it is for everybody to feel welcome in the public square. People of faith, people of no faith, and be able to bring their ideas, to bring their passions into the public square and have it out.

As most minimally educated Americans know, Kennedy’s speech on his religion is considered one of the great speeches of the 20th Century. On September 12, 1960, in Houston, Texas, Kennedy spoke to the Greater Houston Ministerial Association in an effort to calm the fears of Protestants who believed that a Catholic President would take orders from the Vatican or other members of the Church hierarchy.

I remember watching the speech on TV. It was a big deal for Kennedy and for Catholics generally. In 1960, Catholics were considered a little weird, and many people even insisted they weren’t Christians. The speech was a success, and Kennedy went on to become the first Catholic President of the U.S.

But according to Rick Santorum, who apparently didn’t get a very good education at Penn State or Dickinson College Law School, Kennedy was opposing the First Amendment. More from This Week:

…to say that people of faith have no role in the public square? You bet that makes you throw up. What kind of country do we live that says only people of non-faith can come into the public square and make their case? That makes me throw up and it should make every American who is seen from the president, someone who is now trying to tell people of faith that you will do what the government says, we are going to impose our values on you, not that you can’t come to the public square and argue against it, but now we’re going to turn around and say we’re going to impose our values from the government on people of faith, which of course is the next logical step when people of faith, at least according to John Kennedy, have no role in the public square.

Of course Kennedy said no such thing. He was trying to assure Americans that he (Kennedy) would never impose his own religious beliefs on other Americans. Did Santorum actually read the speech? I doubt it. Either he didn’t read past the first line or he’s just mouthing propaganda he heard from someone like James Dobson. On the other hand, I get the feeling that Santorum would very happily impose his religious beliefs on the rest of us–which is a very scary thought.

Let’s take a look at what Kennedy actually said. He began by arguing that the country had much more important problems than the question of his religion:

While the so-called religious issue is necessarily and properly the chief topic here tonight, I want to emphasize from the outset that I believe that we have far more critical issues in the 1960 campaign; the spread of Communist influence, until it now festers only 90 miles from the coast of Florida — the humiliating treatment of our President and Vice President by those who no longer respect our power — the hungry children I saw in West Virginia, the old people who cannot pay their doctors bills, the families forced to give up their farms — an America with too many slums, with too few schools, and too late to the moon and outer space. These are the real issues which should decide this campaign. And they are not religious issues — for war and hunger and ignorance and despair know no religious barrier.

But Kennedy understood that the religious issue had become a distraction and wanted to deal with it up front, once and for all.

I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute; where no Catholic prelate would tell the President — should he be Catholic — how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishioners for whom to vote; where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference, and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the President who might appoint him, or the people who might elect him.

I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant nor Jewish; where no public official either requests or accept instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of Churches or any other ecclesiastical source; where no religious body seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its officials, and where religious liberty is so indivisible that an act against one church is treated as an act against all.

Kennedy then argued that while “the finger of suspicion” was “pointed” at him in 1960, the next time it could be someone of another religion and this kind of questioning of each others’ religious beliefs could lead someday to “the whole fabric of our harmonious society [being] ripped apart at a time of great national peril.” Imagine if he could see what has happened to this country 50 years after that day in Houston!

Kennedy continued:

Finally, I believe in an America where religious intolerance will someday end, where all men and all churches are treated as equals, where every man has the same right to attend or not to attend the church of his choice, where there is no Catholic vote, no anti-Catholic vote, no bloc voting of any kind, and where Catholics, Protestants, and Jews, at both the lay and the pastoral levels, will refrain from those attitudes of disdain and division which have so often marred their works in the past, and promote instead the American ideal of brotherhood.

That is the kind of America in which I believe. And it represents the kind of Presidency in which I believe, a great office that must be neither humbled by making it the instrument of any religious group nor tarnished by arbitrarily withholding it — its occupancy from the members of any one religious group. I believe in a President whose views on religion are his own private affair, neither imposed upon him by the nation, nor imposed by the nation upon him as a condition to holding that office.

One wonders how Rick Santorum would react to a presidential candidate who was a Muslim. Kennedy notes that he and his brother fought in WWII to preserve this freedom.

This is the kind of America I believe in — and this is the kind of America I fought for in the South Pacific, and the kind my brother died for in Europe. No one suggested then that we might have a divided loyalty, that we did not believe in liberty, or that we belonged to a disloyal group that threatened — I quote — “the freedoms for which our forefathers died.”

Did Rick Santorum go into battle and risk his life for his country? I think not. His battle is with an invisible enemy: “Satan.”

Rereading Kennedy’s speech calls attention to the fact that the separation of church and state has broken down since his day. Kennedy asked the assembled ministers to

judge me on the basis of 14 years in the Congress, on my declared stands against an Ambassador to the Vatican, against unconstitutional aid to parochial schools, and against any boycott of the public schools — which I attended myself.

We now have an ambassador to the Vatican, the government provides aid to Catholic schools through voucher programs, and we have a White House Office of Faith-Based and Neighborhood Parnerships which, under Bush at least, funded religious-based abstinence programs. While Kennedy said he wouldn’t consult from religious leaders, George W. Bush and Barack Obama have both done so, most recently when Obama met with Catholic Bishops about his contraception policy. Kennedy:

I do not speak for my church on public matters; and the church does not speak for me. Whatever issue may come before me as President, if I should be elected, on birth control, divorce, censorship, gambling or any other subject, I will make my decision in accordance with these views — in accordance with what my conscience tells me to be in the national interest, and without regard to outside religious pressure or dictates. And no power or threat of punishment could cause me to decide otherwise.

Kennedy went on to say that if the day ever came

when my office would require me to either violate my conscience or violate the national interest, then I would resign the office; and I hope any conscientious public servant would do likewise.

Those are the sentiments that made Rick Santorum “almost throw up.” What more do you need to know about this man? He is not fit to serve as dogcatcher, let alone hold high public office. Below is video of Kennedy’s speech.


16 Comments on “Rick Santorum “Almost Threw Up” after Reading JFK Speech on Separation of Church and State”

  1. Isn’t it ironic that the period in which these christofascists want to return to is between about 1948 & 1960? Santorum was born in 1958. I wonder if his parents voted for Kennedy (I honestly don’t doubt that they did) and wonder what they told him as a child about Kennedy. My parents, being rabidly anti-Catholic, voted for Nixon (oh, the shame, the shame). I remember being in the hallway in 8th grade and sitting on the floor and crying when it was announced that Kennedy had been assassinated. The entire country mourned our collective loss. It was a very different country then. Although there were 2 parties, the general feeling in the country was not us vs them nor was there an overarching climate of hatred.

  2. Pat Johnson says:

    Please pass Rick the vomit bucket.

    Then put him in a straight jacket.

    This is a guy running for POTUS who disabuses the Constitution of the US?

    And seems to have enough voters out there hoisting his poll ratings?

    What is happening to this nation?

    Oh wait, I forgot, a black man is sitting in Oval Office. The Devil’s handiwork on display.

    These people are batshit crazy!

  3. peggysue22 says:

    There’s no place to hide with these comments. Santorum and his followers have marked themselves indelibly as theocrats. The very thing we’re presumably fighting in the Middle East.

    Oh, the bitter irony! The Morality Police will be next. I heard David Stockman say this morning that we need to change the term ‘Axis of Evil’ to the ‘Axis of Medieval.’

    We can now apply the term to the US. Lovely.

    • northwestrain says:

      Yes Santorium is a theocrat — and he is probably part of a cult that’s had the goal of taking over the US. The biggest danger that our Nation has to face are the bat shit crazy right wing zealots — theocrats — the danger is from WITHIN. Not Iran or other hopelessly backward Islamic style religious dictatorships.

      His remark is not surprising — these hard right wing evangelical religious nuts have been trying to force their brand of morality on the nation for a long time.

      Government needs to clean house — toss out all the religious zealots and put that wall back up between church and state. Right now we need protection FROM religion.

  4. joanelle says:

    The Republicans must be batshit crazy for allowing Santorum to stand before us and “run” for national office. The man is a lunatic – scary crazy, has no concept of what our founders meant in those papers that have guided us for so many years. Good grief.

    There be no good choices this time around – none, nada, bupkus, nyet

    • bostonboomer says:

      I really hope he gets the nomination, because, as John Heilemann wrote yesterday, if Romney runs and loses, the Republicans will just think they have to go even further right. They need another Goldwater disaster to wake them up to reality. Most Americans don’t want someone else’s religion shoved down their throats.

      • peggysue22 says:

        I agree. I think it’s time for a showdown with these people. Put Santorum and his TP brigade out there–Bachmann, Perry, etc and all the anti-science, anti-women/gay/immigrant, take-our-country-back hand-wringing craziness out there and let people vote on it.

        Time for a reality check.

      • joanelle says:

        Good grief, Peggysue – we had an empty suit with absurd ideas run last time and he got in – perhaps we’ve got around the bend – it’s just scary as hell.

      • joanelle says:

        How much further right can they go? I agree that something like the Goldwater disaster might shake them up, BB but is there anyone left to “wake” up? Is there anyone who cares left in the Republican party?

      • peggysue22 says:

        joanelle, that’s not saying I’d expect Santorum to be elected. I agree with BB, let there be another GOP fiasco and maybe the Republicans will wake up. Trust me, they run Santorum even I’ll vote for Obama, and I’ve taken a vow to go 3rd party. Rick Santorum is poison–let him poison the crazies back under their rocks. I can’t think of anything that would motivate the disengaged Dems [like myself] more than a Santorum candidacy [who personally makes my skin crawl].

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  6. ralphb says:

    How the craziest f#@!ing “theory of everything” got published and promoted – UPDATED

    Physicists have been working for decades on a “theory of everything,” one that unites quantum mechanics and relativity. Apparently, they were being too modest. Yesterday saw publication of a press release claiming a biologist had just published a theory accounting for all of that—and handling the origin of life and the creation of the Moon in the bargain. Better yet, no math!

    Where did such a crazy theory originate? In the mind of a biologist at a respected research institution, Case Western Reserve University Medical School. Amazingly, he managed to get his ideas published, then amplified by an official press release. At least two sites with poor editorial control then reposted the press release—verbatim—as a news story.

    This is just f’king amazingly bizarre. How this got out is beyond me.

  7. The Rock says:

    I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute; where no Catholic prelate would tell the President — should he be Catholic — how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishioners for whom to vote; where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference, and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the President who might appoint him, or the people who might elect him.

    Now THAT is a democrat.

    Hillary 2012

    • NW Luna says:

      I have thought of that speech of Kennedy’s many a time on hearing the rightwingnuts declare they will make their religion interfere with the state.

      The U.S. is getting farther and farther behind in history with every new R-nut utterance. They’ll be going on about the feudal system any day now.

  8. Robin says:

    The American political landscape has deteriorated in the past 5-6 years massivly mostly from rhetoric and partisanship. We push other countries to be like ours, but we all know, our system is quite broken. Until we can start being civil and respect eachother, then maybe once, democracy will finally be as good as we say it is.