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Late Night PLUB outrage: Women will Lie to get free abortions

Posted: March 30, 2011 | Author: | Filed under: abortion rights |28 Comments

It seems most Republican men and some Republican women don’t think of women as adults who can make moral and wise decisions.  Indiana State Rep. Eric Turner (R), believes that women will falsify rapes and incest crimes in order to get free abortions.  He’s calling it the rape loophole.

Yesterday morning, the Indiana House considered an anti-abortion bill that “would put some of the tightest abortion restrictions in the nation into Indiana law.” Introduced by state Rep. Eric Turner (R), HB 1210 would make most abortions illegal after 20 weeks. Current law restricts abortions after the fetus is viable, generally around 24 weeks.

In an attempt to soften the blow this bill would land on Hoosier women, state Rep. Gail Riecken (D) introduced an amendment to exempt “women who became pregnant due to rape or incest, or women for whom pregnancy threatens their life or could cause serious and irreversible physical harm” from being forced to carry to term. Fearing this bill would “push women to the back alleys” for illegal abortions, Riecken pleaded with lawmakers to allow women to make the choice in these cases.

Turner then stepped to the podium and insisted that Riecken’s amendment would create a “giant loophole” for women. That loophole? Women “could simply say they’ve been raped”

House Dems beat back most of the outrageous attempts to limit a woman’s right to her body.

HB 1210, authored by Rep. Eric Turner, R-Cicero, would make most abortions illegal after 20 weeks, while current law restricts most abortions after the fetus is considered viable, generally around 24 weeks.

Among its other provisions, the bill also requires abortion providers to tell patients that abortion carries risks, including the possibility of breast cancer.

Rep. Peggy Welch, D-Bloomington, tried to remove that language, saying studies have shown no link between abortion and breast cancer.

“I support the bill,” said Welch, a nurse and one of only five House Democrats among the 51 co-sponsors of the bill. “But I do not support the (breast cancer) language because it is not evidence-based.”

Still, the House voted 41-52 against her amendment. The only physician in the chamber, Rep. Tim Brown, R-Crawfordsville, voted for Welch’s proposal.

The House also voted 42-54 against an amendment by Rep. Gail Riecken, D-Riecken, which would have exempted from the bill women who became pregnant due to rape or incest, or women for whom a pregnancy threatens their life or could cause serious and irreversible physical harm.

Turner urged his colleagues to oppose that amendment, saying it created “a giant loophole.”

28 Comments on “Late Night PLUB outrage: Women will Lie to get free abortions”

  1. Minkoff Minx says:
    March 30, 2011 at 11:04 pm

    Kat: Thank you my dear! I just saw this latest from the PLUB Gallery. Thank you for posting this!

    • dakinikat says:
      March 30, 2011 at 11:06 pm

      It makes me so damned mad I don’t even know what to do any more. What other stupid things can these people come up with?

      • bostonboomer says:
        March 30, 2011 at 11:14 pm

        I wonder what this rep would do if her daughter was a victim of incest and became pregnant? What if she would die without and abortion?

        A pox on these fundamentalist crazies!

        • dakinikat says:
          March 30, 2011 at 11:35 pm

          One of the abortion providers in Omaha told me that the biggest prolifer protester/activist who used to daily picket his clinic took her daughter in there off hours for an abortion one late Sunday night and they both were right back on the picket line the next day. He would never tell me who it was, but I believed him completely.

      • Minkoff Minx says:
        March 30, 2011 at 11:21 pm

        I know, every day it is something new. I don’t know what to do either. Feels like I am screaming into the wind.

      • Minkoff Minx says:
        March 30, 2011 at 11:23 pm

        @BB, she would get her that abortion, no matter what. And it would be one of those upscale abortion clinics too…nothing is too good for these hypocrites.

      • foxyladi14 says:
        March 31, 2011 at 11:23 am

        notice they are all MEN too 👿

      • foxyladi14 says:
        March 31, 2011 at 11:26 am

        why are women fighting their sisters?? 👿

  2. Minkoff Minx says:
    March 30, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    Here is the video…

    • dakinikat says:
      March 30, 2011 at 11:11 pm

      Thanks, I tried to pick it up but evidently didn’t get the Youtube link right. I’m kinda out of it at the moment.

      • bostonboomer says:
        March 30, 2011 at 11:15 pm

        I can’t bring myself to watch it. Just the self-satisfied look on her face is repulsive enough.

      • Minkoff Minx says:
        March 30, 2011 at 11:25 pm

        Oh, if you would see the guy who says women will lie to get the abortion…it would make you cringe to. So full of righteousness, makes me want to puke…

        • dakinikat says:
          March 30, 2011 at 11:33 pm

          The additional science quackery is driving me nuts too. They religionists always try to cloak their myths in ‘science’ even though the entire medical community knows its quackery and snake oil.

      • Minkoff Minx says:
        March 30, 2011 at 11:42 pm

        Kat, speaking of quack science:

        ThinkProgress » With New ‘Monkey Bill,’ Tennessee Takes Evolution Education Back To Scopes

        Eighty six years after the infamous Scopes Monkey Trial opened Tennessee classrooms to the teaching of evolution, the state House is trying to slam the door shut again. Tennessee’s House Education Committee approved a bill Tuesday in the name of “academic freedom,” but in reality, it is a thinly veiled attempt to curtail the teaching of evolution. House Speaker Emeritus Jimmy Naifeh (D) has even taken to calling it “the monkey bill.” From the bill’s summary:

        This bill prohibits the state board of education and any public elementary or secondary school governing authority, director of schools, school system administrator, or principal or administrator from prohibiting any teacher in a public school system of this state from helping students understand, analyze, critique, and review in an objective manner the scientific strengths and scientific weaknesses of existing scientific theories covered in the course being taught, such as evolution and global warming.

        Should this bill pass, Tennessee teachers will have official sanction to teach about evolutionary “controversies” that simply do not exist. Furthermore, it will allow teachers to teach pseudo-scientific ideas — such as creationism or intelligent design — as legitimate scientific theories comparable to evolution.

        • dakinikat says:
          March 31, 2011 at 12:09 am

          Yup, more quackery. Evolution has been pretty much made into a natural law with the advances in genetics and the genome. Desperate bunch of little minds trying hard to push the world back to the dark ages. These people must be pretty scared of reality for some reason.

      • Branjor says:
        March 31, 2011 at 1:17 pm

        Good for Rep. Linda Lawson for standing up and telling the truth!

    • Fredster says:
      March 31, 2011 at 1:03 am

      Watching the video, the woman up there speaking was speaking against the bill, said she had been a sex crimes investigator in Hammond IN and mentioned some of the rape cases shes’ investigated and that no one would “fake” a rape just to get an abortion.

    • Outis says:
      March 31, 2011 at 12:50 pm

      The woman in the video stands up and tells the truth! She shames that freaking idiot with a passion I admire. If it’s come to this, then she’s doing what it takes to deal with these loonies.

  3. Minkoff Minx says:
    March 30, 2011 at 11:38 pm

    I thought I would put up a few more links, some of these you may have seen…but I don’t think so.

    Another gang rape of an 11 year old, this time in California:
    11-Year-Old Gang-Raped in a California Park Bathroom

    According to ABC news, eight teen boys in Moreno Valley, California have been accused of luring a middle-school girl from a shopping mall and brutally raping her in the men’s room of a park nearby.

    Police say that all of the teens were part of a local gang, and they have speculated that the rape may be part of an initiation rite. Apparently an older girl was used to lure the young girl to the park, and she may also be charged with abetting the crime. Strikingly, the victim herself returned to the mall afteward and came forward to police to report the crime. Most of the boys were arrested soon thereafter.

    New Crisis Pregnancy Centers Threaten Black Women’s Right to Choose | News | BET

    A new development in the conservative fight against abortion rights is something called a crisis pregnancy center (CPC), and it’s rearing its strange and ugly head in cities around the country. What’s more, many of these centers have focused specifically on the pregnancies of women of color, whose wombs, you might remember, have been in the public eye for the past several weeks.

    Hard on the heels of a controversial billboard in New York City proclaiming that “the most dangerous place” for Black children is their mother’s womb, South Dakota has passed a new law that increases the waiting period for an abortion from one day to three days and forces women who’ve decided to get an abortion to go to a CPC.

    Though the name Crisis Pregnancy Center is vague, critics say it’s very clear what the centers are designed to do: talk women out of having abortions.

    The article goes on to later say this:

    The CPC says it’s “strategically planting new pregnancy centers in these urban communities in order to provide needed abortion alternatives and pregnancy support services.”

    Care Net says its main desire is to “serve” African-Americans and Latinas.

    If these people are friends to the Black community, we’d hate to see our foes.

    South Dakota’s Extraordinary Intrusion on Women’s Rights – NYTimes.com

    As a practical matter, the 72-hour wait is likely to stretch to a week or more. With no local doctors willing to perform abortions, the sole provider of nonemergency abortions in the state, a Planned Parenthood clinic in Sioux Falls, flies in doctors from Minnesota once a week. The new law will further compound the hardship for low-income women who must travel long distances to reach the clinic and who will be forced to make several trips or arrange to stay away from home between appointments.

    The new law’s intrusions don’t stop there. All women seeking abortions, including victims of rape and incest, will be forced first to attend a counseling session at one of the state’s crisis pregnancy centers. These are unregulated facilities run by private groups with the aim of discouraging abortions, typically by displaying graphic photos or with ideological or religious messages or medical misinformation about psychological or physical risks.

    We trust the courts hearing the inevitable legal challenge will agree that this is Big Brother gone wild. Women considering an abortion need facts and medical expertise, not a mandatory visit with anti-abortion activists, the compromising of their privacy or a prolonged waiting period that pushes the procedure later into pregnancy.

    I don’t trust the courts, do you?

  4. Minkoff Minx says:
    March 30, 2011 at 11:49 pm

    Daily Show Base-istan | Republican Candidates 2012 | Video | Mediaite

    Rick Santorum, meanwhile, has said he believes Social Security is in trouble because would-be workers who would be supporting today’s retirees were aborted before having the chance to stare at puppy calendars in their cubicles. Stewart pointed out that, perhaps, Social Security would have been in less trouble had more baby boomers been aborted. It’s all quite like an Escher painting, almost.

    Mississippi’s Haley Barbour has boasted about his anti-abortion initiatives, which have been instrumental in helping his state become the “safest place for an unborn child,” who will then, according to recent statistics, go on to die as a young child. Which is mildly awkward, to say the least.

    • dakinikat says:
      March 30, 2011 at 11:59 pm

      yup … friggin hypocrites

    • Fannie says:
      March 31, 2011 at 5:43 pm

      Nothing to boast about, when anti abortion protestors are marching on the main streets in Mississippi with the worst of the worst photo’s so everybody can see, including 4 year olds who see a baby all cut up. Horrible, just horrible.

  5. Outis says:
    March 31, 2011 at 12:05 am

    It’s so crayzay it’s freaking me out! So, on the verge of a panic attack after reading another PLUB post, I went to the NOW website, thinking, ok, what are they doing, what’s the PLAN to deal with these monsters??

    Well, I had to scroll pretty far down and then got to read a mildly worded–yet still polite and professional–critique of the “War on Women.” The plan of action?…write your congress critters…or sign a petition!

    Oy!

    • Minkoff Minx says:
      March 31, 2011 at 12:10 am

      Tell me about it Outis, the silence from Women’s organizations is ridiculous.

      • dakinikat says:
        March 31, 2011 at 12:11 am

        They were co-conspirators during that stupid health care debate last year.

      • Outis says:
        March 31, 2011 at 12:30 am

        Enablers too. I mean, come on!! These bills are coming fast and furious and were obviously premeditated by some think tank. And there’s no plan, no even talk of making a plan, no freaking way to deal with this than to write letters to tonedeaf politicians? I mean jeez, I thought of a few ideas in as many minutes, they can’t propose one? Just throw up our hands and let women die in backalleys? Huh?

      • Fannie says:
        March 31, 2011 at 9:32 am

        I’m beginning to see some of the black women’s group getting ticked off, and we need to get on their page. Otherwise, what these nutjobs will continue to do is pitt women against women, which always sets us back, and that is exactly how they think they will win this war against women.

        This is a great time for some young college students to begin their thesis on the war against women in America.

  6. Seriously says:
    March 31, 2011 at 12:17 am

    I always wondered about that. It’s not like they’re going to take rape or incest victims’ word, so how can they “prove” themselves? What kind of Star Chamber procedure are we talking about here? That’s why these “exemptions” are a bunch of baloney. Every doctor who signs off on a life or Heath exemption will be persecuted for it, too.

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