Lazy Saturday Reads: Republicans Must Speak Incoherent Nonsense to Win GOP Nomination

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Good Morning!!

I’d love to be able to transport myself to a beautiful, peaceful place and isolate myself from current events. The reality of what is happening to our politics as our country devolves into a place where mass shootings are common, racism, xenophobia, and misogyny run rampant, income inequality is destroying the economy, and and the environment is rapidly deteriorating is just too much. I feel emotionally overwhelmed by it all.

At times, it’s easy to laugh at the insanity of today’s Republican Party and the complete incompetence of the mainstream media, but today the ugliness of what’s happening makes me feel like crying. Is there anything that can be done to turn this devolution of our country around?

I guess I reached the breaking point when I came home last night to the news that Republican presidential candidate(!) Donald Trump had attacked Fox News reporter Megyn Kelly by suggesting her questions to him during the debate on Thursday night were “mean” because she was menstruating. Can this really be happening?

Philip Rucker at The Washington Post: Trump says Fox’s Megyn Kelly had ‘blood coming out of her wherever.’

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Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump said Friday night that Fox News Channel anchor Megyn Kelly “had blood coming out of her eyes” when she  aggressively questioned him during Thursday’s presidential debate.

“She gets out and she starts asking me all sorts of ridiculous questions,” Trump said in a CNN interview. “You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever. In my opinion, she was off base.” ….

In Thursday’s debate, Kelly questioned Trump over his history of offensive statements about women.

Calling in to CNN for a 30-minute interview on Friday night with Don Lemon, Trump hurled insults at Kelly, calling her a “lightweight,” and bashed her co-moderators, Chris Wallace and Bret Baier, as well as other Fox talent.

“I just don’t respect her as a journalist,” Trump said of Kelly. “I have no respect for her. I don’t think she’s very good. I think she’s highly overrated.”

Trump said he is considering skipping the next debate hosted by Fox News Channel, scheduled for January in Iowa, because he believes he was treated unfairly by the network’s moderators.

This pathetic excuse for a human being has been leading the national polls in the race for the GOP nomination for more than a month!

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Oliver Willis writes: Trump: Megyn Kelly Asked Tough Questions Because She Was On Her Period.

Donald Trump, the Republican presidential front runner, suggested that Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly asked him tough questions because she was on her period.

Appearing on CNN, captured by Think Progress, Trump said that Kelly, who questioned Trump about past misogynistic statements where he called women pigs and cows was asking “ridiculous questions” because she had “blood coming out of her eyes” and “blood coming out of her whatever.”

Trump’s fellow Republican candidates did not issue statements or condemnations of him when he promoted a tweet earlier in the day that called Kelly a “bimbo.”

Those candidates did however, issue various policy statements insensitive to women’s issues during the debate, as Republican insiders feared that this presidential campaign would once again bring the Republican Party’s “War on Women” to the forefront.

It looks like Trump is doing just that.

Most Americans–even Republicans–probably understand that Trump is a clown who simply blurts out whatever comes into his sick mind without any concern for the consequences. But what about 16 other Republican candidates? Are most of them really any better?

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Paul Krugman has a brilliant column today in which he points out that to be a Republican candidate today means that you must spout complete nonsense.

From Trump on Down, the Republicans Can’t Be Serious.

…while it’s true that Mr. Trump is, fundamentally, an absurd figure, so are his rivals. If you pay attention to what any one of them is actually saying, as opposed to how he says it, you discover incoherence and extremism every bit as bad as anything Mr. Trump has to offer. And that’s not an accident: Talking nonsense is what you have to do to get anywhere in today’s Republican Party.

For example, Mr. Trump’s economic views, a sort of mishmash of standard conservative talking points and protectionism, are definitely confused. But is that any worse than Jeb Bush’s deep voodoo, his claim that he could double the underlying growth rate of the American economy? And Mr. Bush’s credibility isn’t helped by his evidence for that claim: the relatively rapid growth Florida experienced during the immense housing bubble that coincided with his time as governor.

Mr. Trump, famously, is a “birther” — someone who has questioned whether President Obama was born in the United States. But is that any worse than Scott Walker’s declaration that he isn’t sure whether the president is a Christian?

Mr. Trump’s declared intention to deport all illegal immigrants is definitely extreme, and would require deep violations of civil liberties. But are there any defenders of civil liberties in the modern G.O.P.? Notice how eagerly Rand Paul, self-described libertarian, has joined in the witch hunt against Planned Parenthood.

And while Mr. Trump is definitely appealing to know-nothingism, Marco Rubio, climate change denier, has made “I’m not a scientist” his signature line. (Memo to Mr. Rubio: Presidents don’t have to be experts on everything, but they do need to listen to experts, and decide which ones to believe.)

The point is that while media puff pieces have portrayed Mr. Trump’s rivals as serious men — Jeb the moderate, Rand the original thinker, Marco the face of a new generation — their supposed seriousness is all surface. Judge them by positions as opposed to image, and what you have is a lineup of cranks. And as I said, this is no accident.

Please go read the whole thing.

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And what about the views on reproductive health that were expressed during the debate? Here Iris Carmon at MSNBC, GOP candidates: Ban abortion, no exceptions

At the first debate among candidates vying for the GOP presidential nomination, the question was not whether or not to ban abortion or to defund Planned Parenthood. It was about whether exceptions in the case of rape, incest, or a woman’s life endangerment are legitimate. Their answer: No.

Moderator Megyn Kelly asked Scott Walker how he could justify opposing an exception to an abortion ban in cases where a woman’s life was in danger, though he did sign a bill with such an exception. Then she turned around and asked Marco Rubio how he could support exceptions in the case of rape and incest if he believed abortion was murder….

Walker, who asked the Wisconsin legislature for a 20-week abortion ban that had no exceptions for rape and incest but ultimately decided not to heed the anti-abortion activists who begged for a no-exceptions bill, replied, “I believe that that is an unborn child that’s in need of protection out there, and I’ve said many a time that that unborn child can be protected, and there are many other alternatives that can also protect the life of that mother. That’s been consistently proven.” The claim that an abortion is never needed to save a woman’s life is a common one in anti-abortion circles. Medical experts disagree.

As for Rubio, he denied he had ever advocated for such exceptions. “What I have advocated is that we pass law in this country that says all human life at every stage of its development is worthy of protection,” he said. “In fact, I think that law already exists. It is called the Constitution of the United States.” In fact, Rubio was a cosponsor on a 20-week abortion ban that contained rape, incest and life endangerment exceptions.

Meanwhile, Mike Huckabee did him one better and actually named which amendments of the constitution he believes already ban abortion. Specifically, the fifth and fourteenth.

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These kinds of attitudes toward women and their rights to control their own bodies are now in the mainstream of Republican ideology. The New York Times suggests that while some argue that Republican candidates will hurt themselves with women voters by expressing these misogynistic views, this may not be true, at least for now.

In the short term, however, the political peril for the Republican candidates may not be so grave. They are largely focused now on winning over likely Republican voters who will decide the party’s nomination — an electorate that tends to skew male and older in many key states.

Recent polls of Republican voters indicate that Mr. Trump is performing strongly among men and to a slightly lesser extent among women, though sizable numbers of women also say they would not support him. It remains an open question whether Mr. Trump offended his supporters, or many other likely primary voters, by refusing to renounce his past descriptions of women as “fat pigs” during the debate; indeed, pollsters say he may have struck a chord with some voters by saying he doesn’t “have time for political correctness” when he was asked about his remarks.

The 2012 election was a case in point: Even though Mitt Romney, the Republican nominee, won white women with 56 percent of their votes, he lost over all with female voters. A Republican nominee would be hard-pressed to improve that if the 2016 Democratic nominee is a woman, many Republican pollsters believe.

So they’re going to try to win the presidency by appealing to white male woman haters? Okay. Read about what Republican women think and much more at the link.

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Trump’s attack on Megyn Kelley was too much even for ultra right wing nut EReaderrick Erickson. From The Washington Post: Donald Trump disinvited to speak at RedState event; Megyn Kelly invited.

ATLANTA — Conservative commentator Erick Erickson on Friday night disinvited GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump from speaking at an activist conference he is hosting here this weekend, citing disparaging remarks Trump made hours earlier on CNN about Fox News Channel anchor Megyn Kelly.

In an interview with The Washington Post, Erickson said Trump had been scheduled to speak at his RedState gathering on Saturday at the College Football Hall of Fame, but he told Corey Lewandowski, Trump’s campaign manager, about an hour before midnight that Trump was no longer welcome.

Trump’s campaign said in a statement that Erickson’s decision was “another example of weakness through being politically correct. For all the people who were looking forward to Mr. Trump coming, we will miss you. Blame Erick Erickson, your weak and pathetic leader. We’ll now be doing another campaign stop at another location.”

Trump’s CNN interview Friday evening instantly drew controversy and criticism after he said Kelly, one of the moderators of Thursday’s Republican presidential debate in Cleveland, “had blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever.”

On Saturday morning, Trump tweeted that he was referring to Kelly’s nose. His campaign also issued a statement, claiming Trump said “whatever” instead of “wherever,” again repeating that the reference was to her nose.

Erickson, a Fox News regular and face of the popular RedState blog, has long been a foe of congressional GOP leaders and an ally of conservative grass-roots organizers. He has also drawn criticism for saying impolitic things, once calling retired Supreme Court Justice David Souter an “[expletive] child molester” and First Lady Michelle Obama a “Marxist harpy.” He has since apologized for both comments.

Trump’s words about Kelly simply went too far, Erickson said Friday, making him, someone who enjoys and appreciates barbed political rhetoric, uncomfortable and queasy. And with his invited guest dominating the 2016 race, and few if any conservatives reining him in, Erickson thought he’d try.

We’ll have to wait and see if that has any effect on Trump. But Republicans will still be stuck with several other candidates whose attitudes toward women aren’t really any better than Trump’s and whose ideas, as Paul Krugman points out, are completely incoherent and nonsensical.

Now I’m going to a peaceful place in my mind and try to pretend none of this is happening for today.

Remember, this is an open thread. Please post your thoughts and links on any topic in the comment thread, and have a nice weekend.


36 Comments on “Lazy Saturday Reads: Republicans Must Speak Incoherent Nonsense to Win GOP Nomination”

  1. Sky Dancing, as long as you are a Dem (or progressive), you should have a deliciously relaxed and peaceful Saturday afternoon. Trump is doing more good for the Democratic Party than Elizabeth Warren!

  2. bostonboomer says:

    From The Hill:

    Brent Budowsky: Is Trump a Clinton plant?

    Tongues are wagging throughout the world of political insiders with news that former president and potential future first gentleman Bill Clinton had a great chat with Donald Trump shortly before the real estate magnate announced his candidacy for president. Could it be possible that Trump is a plant for Bill and Hillary Clinton in the presidential campaign, encouraged to run in the GOP primary in order to wreak havoc on the Republicans?

    Trump has a history. He has donated substantial money, to his credit, to the Clinton Foundation. He was an important supporter of Hillary Clinton for president in 2008, and was a notable donor to her campaign that year. In the past Trump has offered very high praise for the former secretary of State — especially when he was supporting and helping to fund her presidential campaign in 2008.

    To his great credit, Trump has long been a supporter of single-payer healthcare, and at various times has raved about the excellent healthcare provided by single-payer plans in two nations at the forefront of this cause. He has offered high praise for the Canadian system, and earlier this year offered similarly high praise for the single-payer system in Scotland.

    The Wall Street Journal recently ran a story naming a number of Democrats in Congress to whom Trump has donated campaign money in support, most notably the next Senate Democratic leader, New York Sen. Charles Schumer. Democrats were also delighted when Trump made campaign donations in support of Nevada Sen. Harry Reid, the current Senate Democratic leader, and Rep. Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.), a stalwart in the House of Representatives.

    I would be remiss in not including two other names on The Wall Street Journal list of Democrats who were beneficiaries of campaign donations from Trump: The late and great Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.), and former Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.).

    This is the context for the widely discussed conversation between Bill Clinton and Donald Trump shortly before Trump announced his candidacy.

    And what about attacking a popular Fox News personality?

    • RalphB says:

      That’s the worst kind of beltway bloviating. However, I can picture Bill hanging up the phone and laughing himself sick. 🙂

  3. ANonOMouse says:

    Donald Trump is a low class, sexist, trashy, bum. As I’ve said many times, he has no filter because he lives in a world where everyone around him kisses his ass and reinforces his malicious verbal attacks and his idiotic ramblings. The GOP had no problem with Donald Trumps bashing and trashing of Rosie O’Donnell. In fact the same guy that disinvited Trump from the RedState event, Erick Ericson, praised Trump on Twitter for bashing Rosie during an appearance on Fox News several years ago.

    This entire hub-bub is because the GOP is terrified that Trump is going to undermine the plan they’ve been cooking up with the Koch Brothers. They have 3 or 4 candidates in mind for the number one spot. Walker, Kasich, Bush, Rubio and they will not allow Trump to fuck up their plan. As I said a few days ago, I don’t expect Trump to be in this field of candidates past early winter. If he doesn’t care about throwing away his own money, he’s liable to take a try at an independent run. His vanity and arrogance may drive him to do that just to get back at the GOP & Fox News because Trump thinks retribution = winning and he’s all about winners vs. losers.

    FYI. Today Carly Fiorina tweeted out to Trump that this criticism of Kelly was wrong tweeting “Mr.Trump: There.is.no.excuse”. Has anyone noticed how much praise was heaped on Fiorina after the happy hour debate? The GOP is keenly aware that they need a woman’s voice in the top tier of candidates, and this fuck up by Trump has given her the ability to take him on under the guise of feminism. Fiorina is as steeped in the anti-choice, anti-woman agenda of the GOP as any of their male candidates, but she just so happens to be a woman, which they believe gives her credibility and gravitas. It doesn’t. Fiorina is Sarah Palin with a higher IQ. She certainly is not about lifting women and she’s never seen the day that feminism meant anything to her. BEWARE! She is the he-wolf, in the she-wolf’s clothing.

  4. bostonboomer says:

    WaPo:

    Graham says Trump is inflicting permanent damage on GOP, urges party leaders to stop ‘tiptoeing’

    Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) said Saturday that fellow presidential candidate Donald Trump’s derogatory commentary has begun inflicting permanent and possibly fatal damage to the Republican Party brand and urged GOP leaders to stop “tiptoeing” around the billionaire businessman and to confront him directly and unequivocally.

    In an interview with The Washington Post, Graham said Trump’s personal attacks on Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly after she questioned him in Thursday night’s primary debate were “an affront to all women” and undermine the Republican Party’s urgent mission to appeal to more women voters.

    “I think we’ve crossed that Rubicon, where his behavior becomes about us, not just him,” Graham said. “I hope the party leadership will push hard. I hope that those seeking the nomination to be the standard bearer will unequivocally reject this.

    Sorry, Lindsey, the GOP pass that rubicon long ago. It’s way too late to repair the damage.

    • roofingbird says:

      Of course he would, he’s a weasel.

    • ANonOMouse says:

      It absolutely is too late to repair the damage the GOP has done, especially when it comes to their inability to respect the rights of women and our right to autonomy over our own bodies. You know I was thinking after Scott Walker made that no-exception for the life of the mother comment in Thursdays debate, that every man who believes that way should be ready to offer up his testicles or perhaps his own life if he allows his wife to die at childbirth when she could have been saved. Men who refuse to understand the burden and risk of childbearing need to step up to the plate and take on equal risk or STFU. I’m so goddam sick of it!!!

      • NW Luna says:

        Hear, hear!

        Although for many men testicles = life, lol.

        • ANonOMouse says:

          My daughter had a girlfriend who died 2 years ago after childbirth. I’m not sure what happened to her, but I know she bled out. I almost died the same way after childbirth, 47 years ago. I lost so much blood I went into shock and had a NDE. I heard them say no heartbeat, no pulse, and I remember watching them pulling the tongue depresser down that was taped to the wall behind the bed. I heard and saw all of that after I had exited my body, but I didn’t hang around for the entire death event. There was no electric shock or anything else they could do in those days, so I’m not sure exactly what they did to get me back. I stayed in the ICU for over a week and I received 8 or 10 units of blood afterwards if I remember correctly. The episiotomy wounds were incredible. So I know the dangers and risks of childbirth first hand and I have no tolerance for anyone who doesn’t respect a woman’s right to make her own choices concerning her own body.

      • roofingbird says:

        Trump is irrelevant. He appeals because he says things like: we ought to charge the Mexican govt. for every immigrant they send.(That we catch.) There is a certain logic and new thinking to that idea. The businessperson’s solution, if you will.

  5. bostonboomer says:

    Politico:

    Trump’s top adviser, famed rat-fucker Roger Stone, has resigned (Trump claims he fired him).

    Stone’s friends say he sent an email to Trump announcing his decision to leave his presidential campaign earlier in the day. More than an hour later, Trump told a Washington Post reporter he fired Stone. The news hit Twitter about 15 minutes after Stone told a FOX News TV show that he couldn’t appear Saturday because he was no longer affiliated with the campaign, friends say.

    “I can’t believe Roger got-Trumped, that he got out-Stoned,” one of Stone’s friends said. “Roger’s mistake was trusting Donald and not establishing a clear record that he was resigning first.”
    Regardless of who resigned or was fired first, the campaign shakeup was the first sign that Trump’s election effort was seriously damaged from within after his Thursday night debate performance and his subsequent comments in which he attacked one of the FOX debate moderators, Megyn Kelly.

  6. roofingbird says:

    BB, it must have like watching slow murder to live blog that mess the other night.

    Take heart. FOX says they reached 16% of their viewers? 2014 stats for FOX household subscribers were 87,058,000. They reached 13,929,280 viewers, of which you were one. They fuzz their figures on households, so some of that number included places like bars and motels.

    2014 census figures 115,610,216 households, so the number of actual households reached was closer to 12%.

    This is all about spin. To paraphrase Günter Grass,’s “The Rat” (Grass died this year ) Who is ducking under?

  7. ANonOMouse says:

    For all of fake outrage by Erick Ericson over Megyn Kelly, it is important to look at what Erickson said about Trumps sexist comments that were directed at Rosie O’Donnell

    • Fannie says:

      I was really pissed listening to Hillary Rosin give credit to Erick Erickson……….for standing up to Trump, regarding Megan. The problem she forgets is that Erick goes around calling pro choice women feminazies………..among other terms. Yet here is Hillary (worked on HRC campaign) giving him kudos.

      I am not going to defend women or men who have themselves indulged in bad behaviors at FOX News, using sexism, racism and homophobia all the time. Then when one of their members get called out, they expect us to cover there asses. NOT one candidate at the bebate used fact based criticism. Everybody is out selling it like it was a fair debated, and Megan asked tough question. Ding Dong lost it, and lots of them were not treated with fairness, of course that is how Fox news spins it.

      Now the republicans want to talk about women’s blood…………they have been have seminars on how, and when and all kinds of ways to refer to women, and still can’t get it right. That is because they do not respect gender equality. I won’t defend any of them who continually want to HURT Hillary, and get say nothing about the downtrodden people, like women who face sexism on a daily bases at work and in our community.

      They waited three days, when they were off stage to defend Megan, and Carly, but not Hillary, not the woman who supports equal pay, and gender equality.

  8. NW Luna says:

    They are a nausea-inducing pack of fools.

  9. Pat Johnson says:

    bb, I am in the bucolic town of Brimfield for the next few days, house/dog sitting for my son and his partner. I am eating like the Russians are in Hartford, reading and thoroughly enjoying the peace of waking up each morning to the quiet of country life!

    But back to Trump. What is so new about his disgusting remarks? He has been like this for years and they put up with him because of the MONEY! This also includes his 3 wives who have benefited greatly for sharing his bed. The guy is and always has been a big, fat pig!

    And where was all this “outrage” when Rush labeled Sandra Fluke a “slut” or Cong. Wilson shouted out “liar” at a SOTU address to Obama? You mean to say that this stood for “class” in the GOP? Or hinting that Michele was a “gorilla” which has passed for political discourse in those same circles? Give me a break!

    The whole crazy bunch of candidates are beyond dull and boring and all Trump did was expose their vapidity by opening his own foul mouth. The GOP is Tea Party heavy and they have earned it!

    Trump is done. Finished. Cooked in his own juices. He did it to himself with a “little help” from his friends at Fox who knew how to push his buttons by offering up his own words.

    Couldn’t happen to a “nicer guy”!

    • ANonOMouse says:

      The GOP has so many kooks and malcontents who want the nomination that this outcome was totally predictable. Now the question becomes will Trump or won’t Trump run as an Independent? And, how many more of their candidates will say something or do something or be caught up in something that makes them totally unacceptable to the majority of women? My guess all of them.

      I’m itching to take Scott Walker and his assessment that women’s lives don’t really matter when it comes to birthing them babies Ms.Scarlet. We’re going to chew him up and spit him out and then we’ll go after Rubio. Maybe by that time Shrub Jr. and Kasich will re-think their positions on the right of Women to make their own decisions regarding their own body.

      WOMEN POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • List of X says:

      As every Republican rushed to defend the honor of Megyn Kelly, I kept thinking about Sandra Fluke and how back then Limbaugh was a hero for calling her a slut and not apologizing for it. What a bunch of hypocrites.

  10. “cooperate” is not a typo, they are all in on it.

  11. dakinikat says:

    Jimmy Carter:

    Here’s an uplifting watch to offset all that from TED.

    With his signature resolve, former US President Jimmy Carter dives into three unexpected reasons why the mistreatment of women and girls continues in so many manifestations in so many parts of the world, both developed and developing. The final reason he gives? “In general, men don’t give a damn.”

    • ANonOMouse says:

      Excellent speech. His mind is still very sharp

    • NW Luna says:

      Good that another man is speaking out about this enormous problem. Cynically, I think that he’ll get more listeners than when a woman says the same things.

    • Fannie says:

      Dak, I didn’t want to change subject, but hoping your friend is doing okay. I was floored yesterday, my grand nephew, saw his (only sibling) a sister being beaten by her boyfriend, and a fight pursued with the boyfriend, who died, and he’s in jail. The nephew is 16, and the boyfriend was 23. I am beside myself with sadness. I am far away from them, so I have communicated only by phone. It’s a mess.

      • dakinikat says:

        She’s here with me and starting a new life. She’s pressing charges and looking for a job. I’m so relieved she got out of there before he killed her because that was bound to happen.