Reactions to Hillary and Her Speech: The Good The Bad and The Ugly

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Good Morning!!

Dakinikat will try to put up a post this afternoon if she can find time, but in the meantime, here are a few reactions to Hillary’s speech from the media and other politicians, as well as her interview with the Des Moines Register and a good article on the Clinton Foundation for us to discuss in the meantime.

The Good

From The Des Moines Register: Clinton hears ‘eagerness’ for talk of female presidency.

Hillary Clinton did not win the Democratic presidential nomination in 2008, but her campaign succeeded in addressing concerns about whether a woman could be commander in chief, she told The Des Moines Register on Sunday.

“Part of what I tried to do in that campaign was to begin to answer that question,” she said. “Now I feel like the question’s been answered.” ….

“There is an eagerness that I sense coming at me from people in my audiences, in my conversations, to engage with me about that more than I felt in ’08,” Clinton told the Register on Sunday, one of two sit-down news interviews that were the first for this presidential bid.

In the 15-minute interview at the Iowa State Fairgrounds, Clinton defended the presidencies of Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, said she’ll propose improvements to the Affordable Care Act, and expanded on her views about the proposed Trans-Pacific Partnership trade pact. She landed on the side of House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi over Obama in wanting to ensure stronger protections for American workers.

Read the rest at the link.

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Inside Philanthropy: Shut Up About the Clinton Foundation’s Problems for a Minute to Look at It’s Programs.

With all the hype in the media about the Clinton Foundation, we wonder how many Americans actually know what the foundation does—or how many members of the media, for that matter.

Listening to news reports, you’d think the sole purpose of this outfit is to help the Clintons get rich and do favors for their shady friends. And while, to be sure, some of the reports about specific donors have been troubling—and suggest questionable judgment by the Clintons—what’s missing is a broader, more balanced look at how the foundation mobilizes money for good causes and who, in reality, puts up most of that money. (Hint: It’s not dictators looking for favors from the State Department.) While people shouldn’t stop asking hard questions about the foundation, they should pay more attention to its approach and programs.

In fact, the Clinton Foundation stands as one of the more successful efforts of recent years to mobilize new resources for philanthropy. Since its founding in 2001, it has raised nearly $2 billion, according an independent review by the Washington Post. Yes, chunks of that money have come from the Clintons’ network of political donors and corporate friends, which is how fundraising often works: You hit up the rich people you know for your causes. And, sure, some of them may not have the purest motives for ponying up, especially if you’re someone who can return favors later, but that’s the nature of the game.

Philanthropic fundraising is more like political fundraising than many may imagine. You think every hedge fund guy who gives big at the Robin Hood’s annual gala is solely focused on poor kids in East New York? Or that every tech leader who recently listened to Marc Benioff’s pleas and chipped in to fight poverty in the Bay Area has a heart of gold? Or that everyone sitting on MoMA’s board is only there because they love art? Come on.

Much more at the link.

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Matthew Yglesias at Vox gets it: Hillary Clinton has always been to Obama’s left on economics.

At a dramatic weekend rally on Roosevelt Island, Hillary Clinton unleashed a speech that was in some ways strikingly liberal, especially for a candidate who’s not facing meaningful opposition in the Democratic Primary. Politico’s Glenn Thrush says it shows that “the Democratic Party is moving left fast” and Clinton knows it, which is why she uncorked “economic-inequality rhetoric could have been comfortably uttered by the likes of Elizabeth Warren, Joseph Stiglitz, Bernie Sanders, or Martin O’Malley.”

The truth, however, is that on the kind of pocketbook issues that Clinton spent most of yesterday’s speech discussing, she’s alwaysbeen on the left wing of the Democratic Party. She’s been in the public eye far too long to have avoided inconsistencies over the years. But in positional terms, somewhat to the left of Obama — or Bill Clinton — on economics is where she’s been this whole time.

Yglesias goes into plenty of detail on Hillary’s record. Good piece!

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The Washington Post: Hillary Clinton won the weekend on social media.

According to an analysis by Zignal Labs, The Washington Post’s campaign analytics partner, 59 percent of all 2016 chatter during the weekend was about her. That means three out of every five stories or posts written about any presidential contender mentioned the former secretary of State. By comparison, the week prior, she commanded just 20 percent.

A June 11 post from Peter Daou and Tom Watson at their new site #HillaryMen: A Woman Leading America – If Not Now, When?

Our premise is that Hillary’s inclusive vision, unwavering commitment to public service, progressive policies and unparalleled experience make her one of the best (and best qualified) candidates ever to seek the presidency. If Hillarycannot become the first woman in history to cross the presidential finish line, who can? If not now, when? When will we show our daughters that a woman can be president?

Viewing the 2016 election through an explicit gender lens, the ferocious attacks against Hillary are not just about her, but underscore the deeply ingrained resistance to any woman with a viable path to the White House. Does anyone believe that another female candidate could get within reach of the presidency without running headlong into the same double standard and institutional resistance confronting Hillary?

Spotlighting the gender aspect of the 2016 race does not mean we discount the centrality of issues and competing ideologies or the complex information processing that leads voters to choose a candidate. Nor is it our intention to make specific accusations of gender bias. We are simply acknowledging the political, social and cultural barriers that have resulted in a complete shut out in national U.S. politics, at 44-0. In nearly a quarter millennium, not a single woman has occupied our nation’s highest office.

This is going to be a great site to read for inspiration during the upcoming campaign. Thanks to Beata for posting about it in the comments on Saturday.

The Bad

Naturally there’s plenty of negative stuff at Politico.

First up, a smarmy piece from Gail Sheehy–I didn’t know she was still alive. It’s not totally negative but it’s filled with subtle and not-so-subtle nasty and tired digs at Hillary (emphasis added).

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Hillary’s Sixties Surge. It’s taken a career in the spotlight, but Hillary Clinton finally seems to be comfortable with her age and her gender.

She rooted her own life story in lessons she learned from a mother who was abandoned by her parents and forced as a child to work as a housemaid. Years later, Clinton asked her mother how she kept going: A simple answer—the kindness of some people who believed she mattered.

And, thus, after 40 years in public life, fighting introspection and hiding her personal feelings behind a zone of privacy, Hillary has finally found the throughline that answers the crucial question: Why run for president?

She wants to be America’s grandmother-in-chief.

“I believe success isn’t measured by how many millions the wealthiest have, but how many children climb out of poverty, and how many families get ahead and stay ahead,” she told a cheering crowd of thousands, mostly white and Latino with roughly equal numbers of men and women. She wants to be the champion for a rising middle class, universal pre-school, affordable college and child care, equal pay for women, tax relief for small businesses, the end of discrimination toward the LGBT community and a path to citizenship for hardworking immigrants.

And here’s another thing: She’s passionate about equal rights for women, but at her stage of post-menopausal feminism, she does not threaten or alienate men. Rather, she co-opts them, turning them into allies. This is old-fashioned feminine wiles at its most mature. It is also why two of the most powerful men in America—Bill and Barack—will be among Clinton’s most avid supporters in her second run for president.

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One more from Politico by Glenn Thrush: 5 takeaways from Clinton’s relaunch rally. And one big one: This was Hillary being Hillary.

1. The Democratic Party is moving left fast, and she knows she needs to move with it. Clinton’s spiel was slight on specifics (she’ll unveil a series of new economic initiatives in a series of speeches from July to August), but her economic-inequality rhetoric could have been comfortably uttered by the likes of Elizabeth Warren, Joseph Stiglitz, Bernie Sanders or Martin O’Malley.

“While many of you are working multiple jobs to make ends meet, you see the top 25 hedge fund managers making more than all of America’s kindergarten teachers combined,” she said. “And, often paying a lower tax rate.”

In 2008, Clinton didn’t want to be cast as a class warrior or a tax-and-spender – and those fears still linger in terms of the general election. But she has embraced the language of grievance, if not the specific policies of the pitchfork left. Here’s why: The numbers of voters identifying themselves as “liberal” is rising fast, up three percentage points from 23 to 26 percent in the last year alone. That’s still smaller than the percentage who self-identify as conservative – but that percentage has plunged five points in the last year, according to an NBC/Wall St. Journal poll released earlier this month.

Read Matt Yglesias’ post at Vox, linked above, for why being liberal is nothing new for Hillary.

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David Frum at The Atlantic: Clinton Comes Out Swinging.

Compared to most presidential announcement speeches, Hillary Clinton’s in New York Saturday was certainly unusually long. She spoke almost 12 minutes longer than her husband in 1991; more than 15 minutes longer than Al Gore in 1999; almost twice as long as Barack Obama in 2007.

Compared to the announcement speeches of her predecessors, Clinton also skimped on the acknowledgements of her beloved spouse. There was no equivalent of Bill’s, “I want to thank…Hillary for being my wife and friend and partner, for the love we’ve shared, and the work she’s done to make life better for children and families of this state and this country…” Nor did she bother with the “all praise and honor to God” that opened Barack Obama’s announcement. In other words: points to Clinton for sincerity.

On the other hand, the highly detailed policy message of her announcement was not unique. In that regard, her announcement followed the examples of Clinton, Gore, and John Kerry, too—although the heft and specificity of her policy detail far exceeded theirs. It was Obama’s grand thematic style that was exceptional among recent Democratic announcements….

Hillary Clinton may praise Barack Obama, but her message delivered a stinging criticism of his approach to the presidency—a criticism that her party is ready to hear. Her repeated emphasis on “fighting” effectively proclaims: Yes, we are divided. I am dispensing with the feel-good talk. The other side is battling for their team: older, whiter, more affluent, more married, and more rural. I’ll battle just as hard for my team: younger, more diverse, less affluent, unmarried, and more urban. A vote for me isn’t a vote for ‘unity.’ It’s a vote to claim a larger piece of the nation’s dwindling resources from people you don’t like and who don’t like you. They don’t like me either, but following Franklin Delano Roosevelt, rather than my oversensitive former boss, I don’t care.

Go to The Atlantic to read more if you can stomach Frum–I haven’t slogged through the while thing yet.

The Ugly

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At the Daily Beast, Olivia Nuzzi, who is barely old enough to remember the 2008 campaign, strives to work every Clinton meme she’s ever heard into a brief but nasty post: Welcome to Hillary Island, a Pleasant Little Police State. A sample:

Saturday’s event, according according to The New York Times,was organized by a small group of Clinton insiders including Huma Abedin, Clinton’s longtime aide and the vice chair of her campaign and Jim Margolis, who helped orchestrate both inaugurations for President Obama.

The result felt borderline dystopian.

Roosevelt Island, transformed by architects in the 1930s to serve as a “living memorial,” looks like a cross between something out of Grand Theft Auto and a ghost town. It has a fake forest, and brutalist apartment complexes. Its abandoned insane asylum was turned into a luxury highrise.

Roosevelt Island’s Amalgamated Bank, owned by unions and serving unions, now sports a sign declaring it proud to be the bank of Hillary For America.

Journalists really reveal their true characters when they write about Hillary.

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From Yahoo Politics: Hillary Clinton’s rivals dig in day after campaign kickoff. Author Dylan Stableford quotes Chris Christie:

“First off, I thought that Elizabeth Warren wasn’t running for president,” New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie said on ABC’s “This Week” Sunday. “But when I listened to Hillary yesterday, it sounds like liberal political consultants put together that speech.”

Christie also criticized Clinton for not taking questions from the press.

“I’ve done 146 town hall meetings in the last five years in New Jersey and around the country,” Christie said. “Mrs. Clinton doesn’t hear from anybody. She doesn’t talk to anybody. She doesn’t take questions from anybody. How would she know what real Americans are really concerned about?

“Is it, you know, when she’s out giving paid speeches?” the Republican governor continued. “I don’t understand when she would know what she was saying yesterday about real Americans.”

Bernie Sanders:

“I would hope very much that Secretary Clinton will side with every union in the country, virtually every environmental group and many religious groups and say that this TPP policy is a disaster, that it must be defeated and that we need to regroup and come up with a trade policy which demands that corporate America starts investing in this country rather than in countries all over the world,” Sanders said.

I guess Bernie wasn’t paying attention when Hillary slammed Obama for TPP in Iowa on Saturday. Paul Ryan also criticized Hillary for not talking about TPP, ignoring or not knowing about what she said in Iowa.

I’ve save the worst for last–Mitt Romney calling Hillary Clinton inauthentic. Does he have any idea how ridiculous he is?

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Nick Gass at Politico: Mitt: Hillary smiles with her mouth, but her eyes say ‘Where’s my latte?’

“Well, I thought the text touched the various places she needs to touch to try and keep her base intact. Somehow when you see her on a stage or when she comes into a room full of people, she’s smiling with her mouth but her eyes are saying, ‘Where’s my latte?’ It just doesn’t suggest that she believes everything she’s saying,” Romney said on Monday on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” speaking via satellite from Salt Lake City.

He also expressed skepticism that Clinton will be able to sell her populist message “when she makes in one hour a multiple of what an average American will make in a year.”

Hahahahahahaha! The pot calls the kettle black. How much do you make an hour, Mitt? Do you donate it to charity as Hillary does?

More from Business Insider. Mitt Romney: Look at how much money Hillary Clinton is making!

“Hillary Clinton is somebody who talks about how much money some people are making and how much less other people are making — but look at how much money she’s been making! ” Romney said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.”

Romney, a former Bain Capital executive, faced withering attacks in 2012 over his personal fortune. Democrats also used his expensive purchases like a car elevator for his home to paint him as out of touch with the average American. He said Clinton should plan to get the same sort of criticism.

“What was sauce for sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Which is: I got beaten up on that sort of stuff [so] I think that Hillary Clinton has to expect the same treatment,” Romney said.

Note to Mitt: Franklin Roosevelt was a hell of a lot richer than Hillary Clinton.

This is an open thread.


45 Comments on “Reactions to Hillary and Her Speech: The Good The Bad and The Ugly”

  1. bostonboomer says:

    This post ended up kind of long, but try to make it to the end for some real hilarity.

    • RalphB says:

      I love the post. Mitt should also know that FDR was a lot richer than he is!

    • NW Luna says:

      Great post, BB! It is hilarious — and sad — to hear people whining and complaining and just now discovering that Hillary is more liberal than Obama. Wake up! Back in early ’08 I looked at the candidates’ policy positions, not sure who to support, and clearly Hillary was more liberal than Obama. Although Obama’s policy stands were often so vague it was hard to tell.

      As for Romney getting upset that Hillary has lots of money — I have this image of him saying that, then walking right onto a garden rake that flies up and whacks him right in the face!

      • RalphB says:

        🙂 It was pretty obvious in 08 who was more liberal. I’ve always suspected lots of the Obama voters never knew his positions. They just listened to the magic overblown rhetoric.

        • bostonboomer says:

          They fantasized that Obama was liberal–I think because he was black.

        • NW Luna says:

          I’ve always suspected lots of the Obama voters never knew his positions.

          Damn right. And remember the “just go to his web site” line? Ahem, I’ve been to his web site and he doesn’t have any specifics. I remember the earnest Obot at the caucus who tried to assure me that Obama’s promise of transparency in government (and how’d that work out, eh?) made up for all his rightward stands. When that didn’t work the guy started to insult me. Hoo-boy. The guy was probably a RWNJ all along. Yeah, we all have stories like that!

      • bostonboomer says:

        lol Luna. I can see it now!

      • roofingbird says:

        Obama wore shiny liberal buttons on his beret, not over his heart. Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers, Woods Funds, Developing Communities Project, Gamaliel Foundation.

  2. bostonboomer says:

    A mean girl article on Hillary from Rebecca Traister at The New Republic.

    Meet the New, Old Hillary

  3. RalphB says:

    Jim Tankersley at WaPo WonkBlog with a decent analysis of Hillary’s announcement speech.

    WaPo: Hillary Clinton thinks she can sell bigger government to fix the economy

    Hillary Clinton is not running on the same-old liberal plan to boost the economy. She made that clear on Saturday in New York, in a speech officially kicking off her presidential campaign, which was loaded with proposals that go well beyond what she or President Obama promised in 2008.

    What’s she is running on is a very old liberal economic philosophy, updated and expanded for a post-Great-Recession America where widening inequality and a stagnating middle-class have commanded high attention from Republican and Democratic candidates alike.

    It is an expansion of the state into frontiers that Franklin Roosevelt, the patron saint of Clinton’s speech on Roosevelt Island in New York, never explored – a next generation of activist government, meant to correct the imbalances of an economic system distorted by the wealthy and the powerful for their benefit. …

  4. RalphB says:

    Oh my 🙂

  5. RalphB says:

    Good story.

  6. RalphB says:

    Shucks I’m moderated.

  7. RalphB says:

    Somehow I doubt this will make the NYT. They seem too busy fellating republicans to print anything worthwhile.

    MoJo: Dear Sirs, I Am the Son of US President George H.W. Bush and I Have a Business Proposition for You

    The fraudulent Nigerian water pump deal that continues to haunt Jeb Bush’s political career. …

    • NW Luna says:

      A Nigerian scam, too boot. The press would be all over this if the name was Clinton.

      • Fannie says:

        Indeed. Nobody wants to talk about the scum Neil Bush, and the 1980’s S&L scandal. Criminal charges were filed, but dropped. He was fined $50,000. It cost us tax payers, 1.3 billion dollars, for his fucking around.

        Apparently these three brothers have been screwing we the people for huge sums of tax payers money. And nobody gets called out by the press, or the courts.

  8. mablue2 says:

    Hi Skydancers,

    I’m slowly getting off the lurking because things are about to becaome serious.

    It looks like things will be the same: HRC vs the press + HRC vs RWNJ + HRC vs the kind of people on the Left (Naderites) who gave us GW Bush.

    I have to get over my mental fatigue and become active member of #HillaryMen.

    Btw, F@ck the Press! What a bunch of entitled brats! In my ideal Universe Hillary would not give those clowns a single interview.

    • RalphB says:

      Hell yes to all that. Hi mablue!

      • mablue2 says:

        Hi Ralph. We’re gearing up for the next round and this times we’re going all the way.

        • bostonboomer says:

          It’s great to see you MABlue!! And don’t forget you still have posting ability here.

          • mablue2 says:

            BB I’m thinking about writing a post just as a warm up act 🙂

          • NW Luna says:

            Hi MABlue! Looking forward to a post from you whenever you do one!

            The MSM are a bunch of whiners when they’re not fawning over the Republicans. How could a journalist report Romney’s gripe on how rich Hillary is, for example, and not roar with laughter at the same time? I sure couldn’t!

            I looked at the #HillaryMen site — bold, emphatic, intelligently written. Got to expect that from Hillary Men, though 😉

          • bostonboomer says:

            I hope you do MABlue. And Ralph, let us know if you ever want to contribute a post. We can set you up.

            Luna, you also have posting privileges.

        • RalphB says:

          Absolutely, no retreat!

    • Fannie says:

      We welcome you, and give us your voice any time. You have a keen sense of the response from the media, and the republicans, and the left.

  9. RalphB says:

    🙂

  10. RalphB says:

    Jeb has the self awareness of a broken tree stump.

    • NW Luna says:

      LOL. At least the cartoonists will get some more good Bush-isms out of Jeb. We shouldn’t misunderestimate his potential!

  11. NW Luna says:

    …at her stage of post-menopausal feminism….

    Sheehy sounds like she’s hung up on menstrual periods. Get over being 12, Ms. Sheehy.
    And all the rest of her nasty innuendos still sound the product of stereotypically cliche assumptions.

  12. mablue2 says:

    As a Lefty living Overseas, I have no choice but to watch MSNBC stream, but I have to say they are terrible.

    Ed Schulz is such a bore. Why is Al Sharpton on the air? Who keep telling Mika and Scarborough that they matter to the electorate?

    Unfortunately for me, it’s the only place I could see the people I actually agree with on a regular basis.

    • bostonboomer says:

      They’re all horrible. I’m over Rachel Maddow. The only one I like a little bit is Lawrence O’Donnell and he’s a Hillary hater.

  13. RalphB says:

    From the Onion: Jeb Bush, Candidate Profile

    Birthplace: Shadow of his father and brother
    Heritage: Seventh-generation Establishment
    Languages: Fluent in both rich and poor
    Connection To Hispanic Community: Checks out
    Number Of Public Battles Over Coma Patients’ Right To Die That He’d Like To Have Back: 1
    Biggest Obstacle To GOP Nomination: Has publicly acknowledged the humanity of illegal immigrants
    Greatest Qualification: Already knows White House layout pretty well
    Greatest Liability: O, what fickle hand of fate! ’Tis the very same privileged background that elevated him to such prominence in the first place!
    As A Child Was Traumatized After Walking In On His Mother, Barbara Bush, Stepping Out Of The Shower: Possibly