Count the Votes: Live Blog
Posted: November 6, 2012 Filed under: 2012 elections, open thread | Tags: Election Night, Election Returns, Poll Closings 59 Comments
Good Evening!!
I just returned from voting with the rest of the Ninth Ward of New Orleans in our little 1920s era fire station. I love my polling place. They move one of the big fire engines to set up the 4 booths. All of my poll workers are nice little church ladies with a strong memory of Jim Crow and the Civil Rights era. We’re always a nice usual mix of an inner city, working class neighborhood folks with lots of young creative types and gay folks. We’re the kind’ve people that Romney considers to be the 47% worth his contempt and I can guarantee he probably got very few votes here. Obama and Jill Stein topped the ballots here. Romney came next with about 14 names I didn’t recognize following him. Johnson was way at the bottom.
All eyes are on the swing states tonight as voting continues. These are the swing states along with their associated number of electoral vote:
Colorado 9 , Florida 29, Iowa 6, Nevada 6,New Hampshire 4, North Carolina 15, Ohio 18, Virginia 13, Wisconsin 10.
Virginia will be the first state to watch. There is also an important senate seat there where former Governor Tim Kaine is facing former Governor McCawCaw . We are also following the MA senate race were Senator Misogyny will helpfully lose his seat to Elizabeth Warren. It will be the first of Four Romney Home states that will go Obama. A fifth Romney Home state–New Hampshire–is likely to go for Obama since a lot of Republicans up there are of the libertarian stripe and my go for Johnson. North Carolina is also sitting in the group of states. If Virginia and North Carolina come in for Obama, we can all go to bed early or switch to watching a movie.
Who knows what’s going to happen in Florida? We’re already getting reports of shenanigans. We’ve got at least two bloggers on the ground there so maybe they’ll help us out!
Coming on the heels of those states will be the big prizes of swing states Ohio, Wisconsin, and the little state that drives us nuts every primary seasons–Iowa.
My bet is that if we get results early in any of the states we will have an early night. Otherwise, we may have to way to Nevada and Colorado for some closure.
My research into forecasters who use polls to provide analytical forecast indicates an Obama win. Pundits are still feeling Romney. Hopefully, this is the last time any of us have to feel Romney EVER again.
So, here come the results from the first states.
Nate’s Numbers: the numbers converge
Posted: November 5, 2012 Filed under: 2012 elections, open thread, polling | Tags: Nate Silver, Number Krunching, open thread, Polling, polls, Punditry, Sam Wang, Statistics 60 Comments
I’ve spent all my professional life drenched in numbers and statistics so Nate Silver’s numbers fascinate me. It’s probably the same reason they drive Republicans and pundits to distraction. Unraveling trend is easier with numbers than hateful, wishful thinking motivated by political piety. So, Karl Rove got on TV–probably trying to save what’s left of his credibility–saying that Romentum was stopped by Sandy. Romentum was a bit of canard and it turns out so is Sandy. Silver tries to discern the possible factors behind the recent numbers and looks at the Sandy Factor. That’s a relatively simple task for any one with a database and a background in trend analysis.
When the hurricane made landfall in New Jersey on Oct. 29, Mr. Obama’s chances of winning re-election were 73 percent in the FiveThirtyEight forecast. Since then, his chances have risen to 86 percent, close to his highs on the year.
But, while the storm and the response to it may account for some of Mr. Obama’s gains, it assuredly does not reflect the whole of the story.
Mr. Obama had already been rebounding in the polls, slowly but steadily, from his lows in early October — in contrast to a common narrative in the news media that contended, without much evidence, that Mr. Romney still had the momentum in the race.
Moreover, there are any number of alternatives to explain Mr. Obama’s gains before and after the storm hit.
- Mr. Obama was adjudicated the winner of the second and third presidential debates in surveys of voters who watched them.
- The past month has brought a series of encouraging economic news, including strong jobs reports in October and last Friday.
- The bounce in the polls that Mr. Romney received after the Denver debate may have been destined to fade in part, as polling bounces often do following political events like national conventions.
- Democrats have an edge in early voting based on states that provide hard data about which party’s voters have turned out to cast ballots. Some voters who were originally rejected by the likely voter models that surveys apply may now be included if they say that they have already voted.
- Both Mr. Obama and Mr. Romney have been running lots of advertisements, which could have some effect, especially in the swing states.
- Mr. Obama’s voter-targeting operation may in fact be stronger than Mr. Romney’s and may have begun to show up in the polls.
- Mr. Obama’s approval rating is at 49 or 50 percent in many surveys, a threshold that would ordinarily predict a narrow re-election for an incumbent.
- Some elections “break” toward one or another candidate at the end as undecided voters tune in and begin to evaluate their decision.
Each of these hypotheses could merit its own article. But the point is that the causes for Mr. Obama’s gain in the polls are overdetermined, meaning that there are lot of variables that might have contributed to the one result.
If I had told you in January that Mr. Obama’s approval rating would have risen close to 50 percent by November, and that the unemployment rate would have dropped below 8 percent, you likely would have inferred that Mr. Obama was a favorite for re-election, with or without a hurricane and what was judged to be a strong response to it.
Whatever the causal factors, Nate’s numbers look good for the President. Sam Wang–a Princeton number kruncher–says it not only looks like the President will hold his office but that the US Senate might see a Democratic Pick up of two. This is an important firewall for those of us that care about things like Supreme Court appointments and getting rid of the filibuster silliness that has allowed the Republicans to basically thwart governing. Dems may pick up Nebraska and Pennsylvania.
Rather than responding to the analysis, the Republicans continue to attack Nate Silver the man. You may recall this Krugman piece last week about The War on Objectivity.
Brad DeLong points me to this National Review attack on Nate Silver, which I think of as illustrating an important aspect of what’s really happening in America.
For those new to this, Nate is a sports statistician turned political statistician, who has been maintaining a model that takes lots and lots of polling data — most of it at the state level, which is where the presidency gets decided — and converts it into election odds. Like others doing similar exercises — Drew Linzer, Sam Wang, and Pollster — Nate’s model continued to show an Obama edge even after Denver, and has shown that edge widening over the past couple of weeks.
This could be wrong, obviously. And we’ll find out on Election Day. But the methodology has been very clear, and all the election modelers have been faithful to their models, letting the numbers fall where they may.
Yet the right — and we’re not talking about the fringe here, we’re talking about mainstream commentators and publications — has been screaming “bias”! They know, just know, that Nate must be cooking the books. How do they know this? Well, his results look good for Obama, so it must be a cheat. Never mind the fact that Nate tells us all exactly how he does it, and that he hasn’t changed the formula at all.
This is, of course, reminiscent of the attack on the Bureau of Labor Statistics — not to mention the attacks on climate science and much more. On the right, apparently, there is no such thing as an objective calculation. Everything must have a political motive.
This is really scary. It means that if these people triumph, science — or any kind of scholarship — will become impossible. Everything must pass a political test; if it isn’t what the right wants to hear, the messenger is subjected to a smear campaign.
Any kind of scholarship has become challenging under Republican fanaticism as witnessed by the attacks on evolution, climate change, and the economic analysis that shows there is no such thing as an economic benefit created by low marginal tax rates for the rich. Just ask scientists trying to get grants to study things like stem cell research. Fox gets people to believe anything. Science causes them to retreat to their medieval churches and scream about intervention by celestial beings. (So, if gawd caused Sandy to take out NJ and NY because of Gay Rights, does this mean gawd caused Sandy to give Obama momentum? Ask Grand Inquisitor Pat Robertson about that one.)
Yes, Nate’s numbers took another upward tick this morning. He also believes that Obama will take the popular vote which should be dismaying to all those journalists that keep wanting to turn this into a white knuckle election.
Silver also added to Obama’s likely number of electoral votes on Monday. He now sees the president winning 307.2 to 230.8 for Mitt Romney, a tiny tick higher than he saw the race on Sunday.
He also sees Obama capturing the popular vote, taking 50.6 percent to Romney’s 48.5.
Rachel Maddow insists the Republicans see the numbers and actually believe that their man Mittster is a goner. The blame game has already begun. Haley Barbor blames Sandy. Lindsey Graham is actually looking at numbers and notices that that demographics are not in their favor.
QUOTE OF THE DAY: ”If I hear anybody say it was because Romney wasn’t conservative enough I’m going to go nuts. We’re not losing 95% of African-Americans and two-thirds of Hispanics and voters under 30 because we’re not being hard-ass enough.”
– Politico quotes Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), saying that demographics would be the only reason for a hypothetical Mitt Romney loss Tuesday.
Yeah, the blame game has begun and the election isn’t even over. Funny he should bring up Hispanic and black voters. Latino Decisions found that Hispanics support President Obama in historic numbers — 73 percent. They believe that’s enough to carry President Obama to victory in four swing states and ultimately to win re-election. Those four swing states are Nevada, Colorado, Virginia, and Florida.
This is closer to the truth. Republican policy statements as expressed by “severely conservative” Mitt have driven off the young, hispanics, blacks, and women. I had MSNBC on mute most of the weekend when they were following the candidates around. All you have to do is look at the people used as back drops for candidates’ speeches to realize who really is on the losing side of US demographics. This is part of the numbers game. You can’t build momentum or fantasize a trend based on capturing an ever decreasing slice of the American Pie.
Which brings me to the post election deconstruction that should occur in the Republican party. When will the actually give up on the Southern Strategy? We’ve seen
more race baiting in this election that I’ve frequently wondered if the ghost of George Wallace is running the Romney campaign. We’ve seen attacks on women’s rights that make me wonder if Republicans know that women got the right to vote. We’ve seen support of policies that are based on show us your papers that remind me of old NAZI movies. You can’t attack and demonize the majority of the electorate and expect the numbers to come in for you. You also can’t build policy on attacking scientific models and theories. The Republican party has definitely shown that its plan for America is to try to recreate the past no matter what the cost.
All I can say is go Nate go! Win one for Ada Lovelace and the country. There are easy ways to figure out which events contribute to trend and what’s just random. People should pay more attention to Nate Silver and a lot less attention to the likes of Karl Rove and Haley Barbour. Nate Silver bet Joe Scarborough $2000 that his analysis was right saying “Occam’s Razor: Pundits are useless”. That’s something I completely grok.
“I think I get a lot of grief because I frustrate narratives that are told by pundits and journalists that don’t have a lot of grounding in objective reality,”
Saturday Evening Open Thread: Just Relax! It’ll all be over soon!!!
Posted: November 3, 2012 Filed under: open thread | Tags: French Legion, open thread, Real Zombies, relax, Wine and Good Reads 11 Comments
Well, that little e-card over there has me nailed! Although, I’m usually in the bathtub on a Saturday night with the glass of wine and a book or the latest copy of one of my magazines. I thought we should have some nice downtime tonight while we’re waiting for the elections to finish. I’m really hoping we get to kick out some nasty old Republicans and bring in some great women who support reproductive health and other important causes like our spending priorities.
So, here’s my reading list this weekend and I hope you’ll share yours with us.
The book on my night stand is The Serpent and the Rainbow which is about zombies. Well, not exactly a zombie apocalypse but a rather old book on how Haitians actually created a zombie potion and a Harvard graduate student that went there to find it. It’s by Dr. Wade Davis and it’s nonfiction.
In April 1982, ethnobotanist Wade Davis arrived in Haiti to investigate two documented cases of zombis — people who had reappeared in Haitian society years after they had been officially declared dead and had been buried. Drawn into a netherworld of rituals and celebrations, Davis penetrated the vodoun mystique deeply enough to place zombification in its proper context within vodoun culture. In the course of his investigation, Davis came to realize that the story of vodoun is the history of Haiti — from the African origins of its people to the successful Haitian independence movement, down to the present day, where vodoun culture is, in effect, the government of Haiti’s countryside.
The Serpent and the Rainbow combines anthropological investigation with a remarkable personal adventure to illuminate and finally explain a phenomenon that has long fascinated Americans.
Yes, it’s full of graveyard visits and digging up the past!!
So, my Vanity Fair did come today and I’m also reading The Expendables. It’s about the French Foreign Legion. It’s written by William Langewiesche. It’s full of stories of the army built of volunteers from around the world. It’s one of the topics that I just love to watch in old movies including Abbott and Costello and then there’s the 1926 classic Beau Geste. You can watch 1937’s The Legion of Missing Men on You Tube in its entirety. It’s classic black and white and was filmed in Morocco.
So, you can see that I’m in an escapist mood where good guys win and science rules the day. Also, exotic places beckon that draw us away from the mundane nuts that rule our lives. For me, this means all a break from the TV and crazy political spin.
I also have a huge long play list that includes many, many French composers of the impressionist genre. I was highly influenced by both Debussy -who was a favorite of my mother and taught her piano teacher–and also by Ravel–who taught my piano professor who I studied with during High school. Here’s a Debussy Arabesque that served as my 7th grade recital piece.
So, this is my favorite Saturday Night activity–reading, sipping red wine, and listening to great piano music in a warm bath–when I’ve had a rough week. Yes, I’m that exciting!!









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