Live Blog: Nevada Democratic Townhall with MSNBC and Telemundo

Good Evening!

x_tdy_townhall_151005.today-inline-vid-featured-desktopTonight we have a Townhall moderated by MSNBC’s Chuck Todd and Telemundo’s José Díaz-Balart . 

The networks have partnered to host a town hall event for the dueling Democrats from 9 p.m. to 11 p.m. EST from the KMA Event Center in Las Vegas.

You can live stream the town hall here in English, or you can watch it in Spanish here at various times.

Both Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton were slated to attend the town hall, which is scheduled to be moderated by José Díaz-Balart and Chuck Todd. Chris Matthews and Chris Hayes will anchor the pre-show coverage, and Rachel Maddow will lead the post-show coverage, according to a news release.

The town hall comes just before the Party’s Nevada caucus, which is set for Saturday. Fresh off a win in the first-in-the-nation New Hampshire primary, Sanders was tied with Clinton in the Silver State. Both had the support of 45 percent of primary voters, but the Wall Street Journal noted that statistic only included results from six polls over the past year. FiveThirtyEight predicted each candidate had a 50 percent chance of winning in Nevada.

Nevada has 43 delegates who go to the Democratic National Convention to vote for a nominee.

Clinton was continuing to perform better than Sanders nationally, though the gap between the presidential hopefuls has closed in recent weeks. As of Tuesday afternoon, 50 percent of voters backed Clinton. About 40 percent backed Sanders, according to the HuffPost Pollster.

One of the differences that may become clearer tonight is if Sanders insistence on his income inequality message will play better in Nevada than Clinton’s focus on immigration policy.  There have not been any good recent polls coming out of Nevada and it’s a caucus state so the state of the race hasn’t been clearly forecast for some time.

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If Hillary Clinton has her way, the final two days of campaigning before Saturday’s caucuses in Nevada will be squarely focused on immigration policy.

But not Bernie Sanders. The Vermont senator remains largely dialed in on his core message about economic inequality, his approach as disciplined and undeviating as ever.

That’s what makes tonight’s town hall forum here, hosted by MSNBC and Telemundo, an important — but potentially uncomfortable — moment for Sanders.

The Vermont senator hasn’t exactly shied away from talking about immigration policy in the state where polls show him in a close race with Clinton. He has repeatedly talked about his own immigration reform plan during Nevada campaign stops, and he has the support of some activists who have helped him take his pitch local. A group of DREAMers from around the country is even descending on Las Vegas to campaign for him this week.

I seriously hope some one asks Sanders about his appearance with Lou Dobbs where discussed his issues wit the 2007 immigration legislation he voted against.  I’d like to see the segment played prior to the question being asked. The issue came up at the last debate.  This is legislation that Kennedy and McCain wrote and that Obama and Clinton supported.  Sanders voted against the bill and his since hedged his bets on reasons he gave to Dobbs at the time.

Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders briefly exchanged words over his vote against the 2007 comprehensive immigration reform bill that John McCain and Ted Kennedy wrote and that both Clinton and Barack Obama supported, while Sanders and most Republicans plus some Democrats were opposed. Sanders cited as his motive opposition to the bill’s guest worker provisions, which he said were bad because a Southern Poverty Law Center investigation had likened conditions in existing agricultural guest worker programs to slavery.

It’s interesting to compare this with what he said about the bill at the time on Lou Dobbs’s show. Dobbs, for those who’ve forgotten, was a business news broadcaster who refashioned himself as a somewhat Trump-esque anti-immigration, anti–trade deal populist in the mid-aughts.

If you watch the interview you’ll see that Sanders isn’t particularly interested in working conditions for guest workers and he’s also not narrowly focused on the H2 programs the SPLC report was about — he also talks about H1 programs for skilled workers that, whatever their flaws, are clearly not slavery.

Dobbs is opposed to the whole idea of “amnesty,” which Sanders was not, but Sanders also doesn’t argue with Dobbs about it. Sanders doesn’t really say anything about the costs and benefits to immigrants themselves — whether that’s people who’ve been living illegally in the United States or potential future guest workers — one way or another. His focus is on the idea that “what happens in Congress is to a very significant degree dictated by big-money interests” and that “I don’t know why we need millions of people to be coming into this country as guest workers who will work for lower wages than American workers and drive wages down even lower than they are now.”

I’d also like to hear Sanders address Killer Mike’s “uterus” comment as well as the implication of this particular exchange with a BET reporter.

Sanders appears to think that Killer Mike’s comments are okay. However, he took the opportunity to slam Bill Clinton. So much for the high horse riding about going negative in campaigns.

Sen. Bernie Sanders is standing up for Killer Mike after the Atlanta-based rapper stood onstage at a Sanders rally and quoted a feminist activist as saying “a uterus doesn’t qualify you to be president of the United States.”

And he was even more direct when asked about Bill Clinton’s remarks on the campaign trail that seemed to compare fervor for Sanders on the left with the populist anger that created the tea party on the right.

Aboard his campaign plane Thursday, Sanders told reporters that Killer Mike was quoting someone else — but that he agreed with the basic premise.

“What Mike said essentially is that … people should not be voting for candidates based on their gender, but based on what they believe. I think that makes sense,” said Sanders, who has mounted an unexpectedly strong challenge against Hillary Clinton for the Democratic presidential nomination.

“I don’t go around, no one has ever heard me say, ‘Hey guys, let’s stand together, vote for a man.’ I would never do that, never have.”

02-18-16-y-10Who among us recalls Hillary’s vagina appealing to our own?  (Well, maybe I don’t count since mine was removed after he cancer imbed.)

02-18-16-z-18I’m still having fun going to Still for Hill to see pictures of Clinton’s visit with workers at Caesar’s Palace.  Frankly, it puts me in a better mood than reading about the latest grumpy gripe by Bernine Downers.

So, pull up you couch, your bed, your chair, your pet and significant other, pop some popcorn and join us in the Nerd Ball Toss at Bernie and the Cheers for Hillary!!!

By the way, I attended the opening of Hillary’s Headquarters here in New Orleans with former Mayor Moon Landrieu!

Here’s a picture and here’s some great poll news!!!

12743907_1205905622770844_1786053751461256636_n12745556_10207024779391620_9059452003051586154_nBookending the former Mayor and his wife are City Councilman Jim Gray and City Councilwoman LaToya Cantrell!!!!!  Hyma Moore is our Lousiana Campaign Coordinator for Hillary!!!!

 

 


140 Comments on “Live Blog: Nevada Democratic Townhall with MSNBC and Telemundo”

  1. bostonboomer says:

    James Clyburn is going to endorse Hillary tomorrow in SC. This is Yuuuuuuuge!

  2. bostonboomer says:

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  3. bostonboomer says:

    Holy shit! This is the real Bernie. He’s completely self-destructing.

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  4. janicen says:

    Rachel said the most recent Fox News poll shows Sanders ahead of Clinton nationwide. Hahahahaha! Wishful thinking at Fox News!

    • bostonboomer says:

      What about the other polls that came out today and yesterday showing Hillary way ahead? I guess those don’t count.

  5. bostonboomer says:

    Why does Sanders always go first?

  6. janicen says:

    Billionaires! Drink!

  7. janicen says:

    Bernie sitting on both sides of the fence on the FBI/Apple controversy. So brave of him.

  8. janicen says:

    Chuck Todd playing Bernie’s own words for him. Will he deny them?

  9. bostonboomer says:

    Audience didn’t like it when he said Hillary ran against Obama and he didn’t.

  10. Fannie says:

    But…But…But that was on a radio station (Tom Hartman)………..SO SO SO……Hey Bernie, I’ve been there, Soso, Ms.

  11. janicen says:

    Bernie is shouting. I wonder if people will criticize him for it like they did Hillary.

  12. bostonboomer says:

    Bernie sucking up to Harry Reid. Stomach-churning.

  13. bostonboomer says:

    He doesn’t say how he’ll do it.

  14. dakinikat says:

    They need to ask about the Dobbs comments.

  15. roofingbird says:

    yeah, apparently I won’t be watching tonight, keep tabs for me

  16. janicen says:

    When the fuck is he going to answer the actual question he was asked? He’s just giving some vague bullshit like Trump. “I’m going to do something terrific!”

  17. bostonboomer says:

    Bernie shouting about people being deported. But what has he done about it in the Senate.

  18. Fannie says:

    Hopefully congress will work with me……………..good luck with that Bernie.

  19. bostonboomer says:

    Oh, you’re not a dictator? Then maybe you should be helping other Dems so you get some of them in Congress.

  20. Fannie says:

    What about states who are passing laws not to abide by the Federal laws…….what then Bernie?

  21. bostonboomer says:

    Here we go. I marched with Dr. Martin Luther King.

  22. janicen says:

    Bernie says he was arrested during civil rights protest in Chicago. That should be easy enough to prove. There would be a record, no?

  23. janicen says:

    Everybody giggles at the “honorary woman” line because it would be so silly for a man to be considered a mere woman. Hee hee.

  24. janicen says:

    Oh FFS, young woman asked “Would free college make it better? More innovative, etc.” and Bernie reverts to stump speech. “I believe it should be free because k-12 is free…”

    Answer the question, Bernie!

    • janicen says:

      Wall Street is going to pay for it. That will sail through the House of Representatives and the Senate, I’m sure.

    • Fannie says:

      Exactly………it’s his continual stump speech. What happens if college education isn’t your thing? What then will change his/her lifestyle and standing in your socialist world? It often sounds like Bernie is going to install a bunch of educational manufacturing plants all over this country. You think?

      • roofingbird says:

        He hasn’t explained why everyone needs a college education when they are going to be working on his 100% infrastructure jobs. Most of those jobs will be union apprenticeship, some 2 year college and a few 4 year. In other words, mostly these people are already trained.

  25. Fannie says:

    Hey man, the question was about QUALITY…………you are slipping up.

  26. Fannie says:

    Hey lady, good question about jobs, and what I will do…………To answer your question, it’s all going to be FREE, FREE, FREE. I am going to have plants all over this county, and it all going to be FREE.

    Bull Pucky.

  27. janicen says:

    Hey Bernie, how are you going to get jobs for veterans?

    “I was chairman of the Senate committee and passed the most comprehensive healthcare legislation…” Not an answer.

    “We have to make sure veterans get hired…” Again, not an answer.

  28. Fannie says:

    Third time tonight he’s passed the buck (Reid).

  29. janicen says:

    When is Bernie Sanders going to answer one of the questions he’s been asked?

    I honestly don’t think I can stay up for this. All he’s doing is shouting his sound bites.

  30. janicen says:

    As President, how would you address Islamophobia?

    “Bluntly and directly”. And then he goes back to his stump speech.

    I shit you not.

  31. Fannie says:

    And by the way Bernie, you haven’t answered the question, what would you do about the fear Muslims are experiencing……….he off by 200 years, we are talking today.

  32. janicen says:

    Now he’s running away from his socialist label, THAT HE GAVE HIMSELF, and getting back to Democratic Socialism and saying he’s just like FDR. That is such bullshit. I would respect him more if he owned what the hell he called himself, a socialist. When he decided to run for Pres, he slapped that Democratic label in front of it and try to make himself out to be mainstream. Just like FDR, kids!

  33. Fannie says:

    I am not talking about Latin America, I am talking about Denmark and Sweeden, and FREE, FREE. Well, the way I see it when you fail to be president you might want to take your revolution over to Venezuela, as they are doing real bad, and need someone like you……..

  34. Fannie says:

    Everybody working with children and child care need to have a Master’s degree?

    • roofingbird says:

      This is how we wind up overqualified for less money. Anyone remember CETA? That was back when people did actual job descriptions identifiable by task through the DOL and stuck them. So, if you had the skill set, you didn’t really need a degree for most things.

  35. roofingbird says:

    I’m old enough, I don’t doubt that he was involved in civil rights issues, he was of the group just before me, and if you cared at all you were active in something. It’s one thing to get your chops and another to keep it going. That means you have to continue the activity, and when it evolves you have to go with it. The difference here is the path and distinction between the socialist “peoples” work, and racism, sexism, families, and poverty as distinguishable components, which the language of socialism fails to elucidate as requiring similar but different solutions. If you look at his career trajectory, it pretty much relates to classism as defined by money, and the bad things that oligarchs do, keep the “people” down, start wars and kill the planets and people in the name of greed. It’s the Gulf of Tonkin all over again.

    • bostonboomer says:

      Yes. He was active for three years. After that he did zippo. BFD.

    • Fannie says:

      Wow, he just mentioned needs to Native Americans……….how about new approaches to their problems, instead of waving them off, as you did to Clyde Buttecourt.

      • roofingbird says:

        Yeah, that’s what I mean. You gotta grow, listen and learn the language of the oppressed. That’s why Clinton’s Harlem speech was so impressive. What are we up to now demographically in Congress, Markwayne Mullin and Tom Cole. Both Republican Oklahomans. Well, I guess the Cherokee and Chickasaw are represented. Big oil and relatively successful tribes.

      • roofingbird says:

        So, here is what Indian Country Today had to say about the Bellecourt exchange: [….The moderator, Anthony Newby, chided Bellecourt, reminding him that the organizers had opened the event by recognizing they are on Indian land. Newby also told the elder that Native American issues were not being brought up at this forum because it is a Black forum, to which Bellecourt responded forcefully, “This is a people of color forum!”…]
        Read more at http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2016/02/15/are-you-going-honor-treaties-clyde-bellecourt-asks-bernie-sanders-163429

        Clinton doesn’t come off well here, but my point is that Sanders knew he was on Indian land for the “Black” conference. He didn’t make it inclusive. He apparently didn’t meet with a prominent person like Bellecourt first, and then his guy, Newby, acts like a cad. So, there at a minimum there was a lack of sensitivity.

  36. janicen says:

    He’s not answering Chuck Todd’s question either. Chuck asks about healthcare rationing in UK, Canada, etc and Bernie says it’s all propaganda by the pharmaceutical companies. There is no rationing.

    • NW Luna says:

      We have rationing by insurance companies here.

      • NW Luna says:

        “Rationing” is mislabeling. There is no unlimited budget for anything. Canada and the UK and all the other countries with national healthcare are far more efficient in how their healthcare funds are spent. Here ~ 30% goes to 3rd parties since we have for-profit healthcare insurance cos running the show.

  37. Fannie says:

    Why in this country is the average waiting time for a kidney transplant four years?

  38. bostonboomer says:

    Native American question. Let’s see how he handles this.

  39. janicen says:

    I’m headed to bed. I can’t take it anymore. I’ll record the rest and watch Hillz tomorrow. Good night all. I can’t take his shouting and bloviating.

  40. bostonboomer says:

    He responds with vague generalities.

  41. bostonboomer says:

    Human trafficking is terrible. Hillary has actually done a lot about that issue. But she’s just a uterus.

  42. Fannie says:

    Wow, it’s like we know all the questions and answers from Bernie, and we know how the audience is going to respond………….That’s the problem.

  43. bostonboomer says:

    Standing O for Hillary. She looks gorgeous in that jacket.

  44. bostonboomer says:

    Hillary not backing down on opposing Alito and Roberts. We had a process and we used it.

  45. roofingbird says:

    Are they taking a break?

  46. Fannie says:

    Yes, we are believers in Hillary Clinton. She has characteristics and is an individual who can effectively describe her plans. Who has a natural rhythm with all of us regardless of our status, who we are.

    I was seriously pissed off at the Bro who wanted her to release her transcripts of the speeches she has given. In other words the dude does not believe she is a professional. Then in his very next question he wanted to convince us he was heart broken over Hillary lack of support for the gay community. But as you saw, she pressed full court ahead!

  47. roofingbird says:

    lol. She must be saying something good because there is a serious lack of stfu being communicated.

  48. bostonboomer says:

    I just can’t listen to Rachel Maddow. It was pretty clear that Hillary was fired up and she responded to most of the questions in detail. Bernie was loud, but I didn’t get the feeling he was that confident.

  49. Fannie says:

    Let’s get this down to the wire. Hillary Clinton answered all the questions. I think she got harder questions, and think the questions from the Bernie Bros, the minute they spoke I could almost tell you what the question was going to be.

    She will continue to work with Chicanos, blacks, and people of color, with women, with the gay community. You could see that she was meaningful to the Chicano people in the audience. She was encouraging, for them to make it in college, in careers, in homes, and in community. I am convinced that above all she treats people as natural equal humans with human rights.

    It’s not far fetched to say she is the winner here. I was impressed, and they know she is competent to get the job done, without all this let’s get angry, she showed her real feelings.

    I do think that she really wanted to say but didn’t that Pres. Obama was really going to Cuba to negotiate the return of Cruz and Rubio to Cuba.

  50. bostonboomer says:

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  51. Fannie says:

    Let’s take another look at the retired Military Vet, that asked Bernie Sanders about his directorship on the Armed Service Committee what did he accomplish? Bernie could say nothing of measurement as to what he has done.

    Let’s see if we can find that question again……….That speaks a lot of how Bernie hasn’t accomplished much.

    The hardest question for Hillary might have been on drivers license, I need to relook at that.

    Hillary easily won this debate.

  52. janicen says:

    I’m watching my recording and I like her shot at Bernie just now deciding he’s a Democrat. Sandernistas booed but that’s because she hit a nerve.

  53. Ron4Hills says:

    At the end of the day all the UTERUS talk is meant to imply that being FEMALE does not MEAN anything. It doesn’t/shouldn’t make a difference.

    That is ridiculous. We talk about the value of diversity all the time and sure some people think diversity has no value, but I don’t believe that. Most Democrats don’t believe that.

    A woman is more than one organ or set of organs, she is a person. However, she is a person who’s experience and experiences (shared by half the goddamned population by the way) have never been represented as the head of this goddamned representative government.

    We need a woman and I am not ashamed to say it. It is way past time.

    I would not elect an unqualified woman, just because. But if this woman, the one on the ballot right now is not qualified, then there is no such thing as qualified.

    Hills has been training for this for her whole life. She is head, shoulders and uterus above everyone else running.

    The problem is the “Bro’s” would rather wreck the car than see someone else drive.

    • janicen says:

      Agreed. It’s just another way of demeaning women; reducing them to their sex organs. It’s offensive, sexist, and disgusting and the media should be raving about it.

    • Joanelle says:

      The only new idea that could save humanity in the 21st century is for women to take over the management of the world. I believe that male hegemony has squandered an opportunity of 10,000 years. We men have belittle and ridiculed feminine intuition and on the other hand, we have historically sanctified our ideologies, almost all of them absurd or abominable. The masculine power structure has proved that it cannot impede the destruction of the environment, because it is incapable of overcoming its own interests. For women, on the other hand, preservation of the environment is a genetic vocation. The reversal of powers is a matter of life or death. – Gabriel Garcia Marquez, author.

      • William says:

        Well, Margaret Thatcher’s regime might belie some of that.

        I do agree that women are more likely to care about the environment, although I do not think that Sarah Palin, or Nikki Haley, or Kelly Ayotte, for examples, are among that group. Now, if one wanted to argue that the entire political system is a male invented structure, and that to succeed in it, a woman might more often need to evince some of the less admirable male qualities, it is a legitimate point. But then how do we change that structure, and to what form of government?

    • Fannie says:

      That a hell of a good observation “Bros would rather wreck the car than see someone else drive”………especially a woman.

  54. janicen says:

    The realtor with the sparkly suit wants transcripts of her speeches. She says I’ll release them when everybody else does it, including Senator Sanders. Good for her. Does Bernie have to release transcripts of his speeches to private groups?

    • Riverbird says:

      The Washington Post made me angry this morning by saying in its newsletter The Daily 202 that “– Clinton, however, was again on the defensive over her coziness with Wall Street: She said she’ll release transcripts of her paid, closed-door speeches as soon as “everybody else does,” which is a new and bizarre way of declining to provide them that will not put the story behind her.”
      http://link.washingtonpost.com/view/56b760dee661f0d92fa5b1993njrk.a87w/c5cfde7e

      • janicen says:

        I guess the rules only apply to Clinton. That line of thinking casts suspicion on her and creates the so called mistrust that the media constantly wants her to address.

        Secretary Clinton, we’re going to treat your every move as if you were up to something shady and now we like you to explain why nobody trusts you.

        It’s an endless loop.

        • William says:

          Exactly, Janicen. It’s a loop that is impossible to eradicate oneself from. The whole thing gets more ridiculous by the day. The implication is….that Hillary told the Wall Streeters that she would make sure that they could all make more money, and sell various derivatives? Even if one hated Hillary, wouldn’t it be easy to realize that she would never say something like that? No one would. In a speech to a whole bunch of people? It is of course just another attempt to find sonething to demand of her. I’m waiting for the grocery lists and bank statements and high school diary entries to be demanded, and I’m barely being facetious.The bitter irony is that she is one of the most honest candidates I have ever seen over the decades. She was Senator from NY, where they subject people to intense scrutiny; and she had not a breath of scandal or insinuation, and she won with about 70% of the vote for her second term

      • Fannie says:

        Yes, Snot in the morning is out promoting his demands that she release them. They continue to set her up at a more stringent level than all others. In other words, you better conform to the good old boys club, or else. I notice too that the Bros are going around saying they have so much more dirt on Hillary, that if she doesn’t comply they might just show their hand and fist at the next debates. This is how they respond to her, as if we are surprised. NOT.

        • janicen says:

          What are they waiting for? If this is such significant stuff they have an obligation to the country to release it now. They are using it to blackmail her? What in the fuck is going on with those people? Hillary ought to tweet, “Bring it bitches”.

  55. janicen says:

    I like her answer about raising the retirement age of SS, that it would disadvantage blacks and hispanics because they have shorter life spans. It’s a good point I hadn’t thought of.

  56. janicen says:

    She gave a very sincere answer about the “trust deficit”. A good answer to a bullshit question.

  57. janicen says:

    I have to say, I like it better when she modulates her voice a little more. I know she gets passionate but she needs to be a little more chill.

    • janicen says:

      Although, I like what MSNBC analyst, Jon Ralston said that at one point Clinton got irritated but Bernie Sanders is naturally irritated so you don’t see it as much. Rachel gave a nervous giggle to that.

  58. ANonOMouse says:

    Oh, Hillary was brilliant, as usual! I loved that she FINALLY publicly addressed the fact that Bernie Sanders is a Democrat come lately. And I loved how she shot back at the Boo-Birds when she said “you know it’s true” and smiled that beautiful smile of hers. She definitely knocked it out of the park and made Bernie’s presentation look amateurish, fumbling, inept. I don’t see how anyone can vote for Sanders under the guise of “he’s a better candidate” or “he will get the job done” or “he’s honest” when I believe it’s apparent that he’s none of the above. Bernie Sanders lost the “honesty” edge when he decided to abandon his long held Independent Socialist label to run as a Democrat, instead of an Independent. How can you totally walk away from the core of your ideological belief system to achieve the Presidency? Bernie could because his one trick pony show couldn’t compete as an Independent candidate, or a green candidate or a Socialist Party candidate. It was run as a Democrat or abandon his lifelong ideology and he decided to abandon. At that moment the perception I had of him as a man of deeply held conviction vanished.

    I’m on the mend after surgery. I was doing better until yesterday when I stooped down to pick up something from the bottom shelf and something snapped behind my right knee. My leg collapsed and I also twisted my left knee in the fall. I’m going to see Ortho doctor this afternoon. I don’t know whether it’s sprained or torn, but whatever it is I’m hobbling around on two bum knees this morning, especially my right knee. Being Old Sucks!!!!

    • janicen says:

      Sounds like a ligament, mouse. My physical therapist told me that ligaments take longer to heal than bones. Definitely go to your doc and then keep icing it down. I had a few two pound bags of frozen peas I kept rotating onto my knees when they were giving me hell.

      I’m so glad to hear you’re on the mend though. Just don’t try too much too soon. Hugs.

      • ANonOMouse says:

        Thanks Janicen. Yep, I’m sort of thinking the same thing about my knees. I’ll try to behave myself, my wife is doing a good job of keeping me in check. And hugs to you!

        • bostonboomer says:

          It’s great to see you Mouse. I’m sorry about your knee. Take care.

        • NW Luna says:

          Frozen peas! They make the best ice bags. Ligaments and tendons can take a very long time to heal, and when we’re older it adds more time, but we can still heal up just as well. Hope all goes well.

        • ANonOMouse says:

          Doc said he believes I have a torn meniscus and that I need an MRI to confirm. Unfortunately I haven’t been released by my Surgeon and without his consent they won’t do an MRI until 6 weeks after surgery. I see my Surgeon next Wednesday so maybe he will release me for an MRI. All I could think to say to this news was “Good grief”. 🙂 Oh well, it is what it is!!!!

          And thanks for the well wishes everyone, I appreciate it!

    • Fannie says:

      Be careful, and mend quickly!

  59. janicen says:

    I think there are two different personality types at play when it comes to the Clinton/Sanders race. I think the Sanders people are comparable to, but absolutely not the same as, the Trump supporters. Obviously not when it comes to ideology, but in the type of candidate that appeals to them. Trump and Sanders talk at people rather than to people and they also base most of what they are saying on the demonization of a particular group. Trump demonizes immigrants, Sanders demonizes Wall Street.

    Clinton, on the other hand, addresses specific issues that relate to those two groups without the demonization and it leaves her vulnerable to attacks that she is “on their side”. If the general election comes down to Trump v. Clinton, I’m sure he’ll accuse her of being weak on immigration just as Sanders supporters accuse her of being beholden to Wall Street.

    I guess that really describes the personal appeal I have for Clinton. I can’t stand the avuncular speeches and I’m really uncomfortable with demonization even when it comes to Wall Street jerks. Yeah, they’re jerks, but they are using the system that exists. Clinton wants to change the system rather than waste time attacking those who gain from it.

    Having said all that, I don’t think there is a common level of appeal to be found between Clinton supporters and Sanders supporters but I think they will coalesce against a common enemy, the Republicans.

    • ANonOMouse says:

      I hope you’re right that the Sanders voters will move to Hillary WHEN she wins the nomination, but I’m not so sure.

  60. Fannie says:

    James Clyburn was great giving his endorsement this morning. I wanted to make a comment about Hillary speech, I need to find it and repeat word for word.

    When Hillary talked about women who have never worked and when spouses died, they got even less from Social Security. I was teary eyed, always am when the subject comes up. But one of the reasons that I became a strong supporter, was years ago the Veterans department was going to cut back on widows benefits. These women were beside themselves, not knowing what to do. Hillary stepped in and stopped them from cutting those benefits. That was one reason I tuned in to her. She helped, and the way I was raised up, when someone does something to help you, your family, you don’t forget, when they need you, you show up and help. And here I am trying to make her goals a success, help solve the problems of sexism, racism, and beyond. We are a band of humans, and we will not let the doors be closed, with Hillary we will knock down more barriers, and demand equable acceptance!

  61. janicen says:

    Here’s another good ad…

  62. Fannie says:

    Yes, Yes, Yes.

  63. Fannie says:

    I had mentioned last night that Hillary was in rhythm with the nation: Have a good weekend Skydancers………I’m out walking in rhythm

  64. bostonboomer says:

    My mother just called me and said that some guy on MSNBC was interviewing Hillary and he asked her if she had ever lied. WTF? Did anyone hear this? It could have been Steve Kornacki. He’s in the bag for Bernie.

  65. Joanelle says:

    I’ve asked some Bernie fans if they knew that Bernie apparently isn’t sure he can become president. “Do you know he’s also campaigning for his senate seat representing Vermont?” No one so far knew that fact and almost all had a very negative reaction.