Live Blog: Six Men Standing (and one dead Justice) for Tonight’s Republican Debate

128175_600Well, tonight’s Republican Debate will surely be a lively matter. CBS gets the honorsat 9 p.m. EST.First, there are only six candidates left and we’ve determined they pretty much hate each other.  Also, we’ve got the issue of one dead Supreme Court Justice.  Antonin Scalia–perhaps one of the most evil men I’ve had the displeasure of reading–died in his death in a Texas Hotel while joyously killing small animals.  According to our Constitution–which is the thing that Fat Tony did his damnedest to rewrite–President Obama will appoint a new justice with the advice and consent of the Senate. Currently, the Republicans are no longer a party that wishes to govern under our Constitution and SCOTUS with Scalia has become their enabler.  They’re a party of insurrection and some of the worst of them will be up on that podium tonight trying to impress the voters in the home state for the nation’s historical insurrectionists.  So, the rhetoric will be amped up as they compete to eulogize the dead man in black.

The six remaining Republican presidential candidates will be on stage in Greenville, South Carolina Saturday night for the CBS News Republican debate.

The stakes are high for the remaining candidates, as they head into a period of the primary season that relies less on retail politicking. A strong debate performance could be crucial as the candidates try to reach the voters who are next in line to cast their ballots — in South Carolina and Nevada.

South Carolina will determine the survival of Jeb Bush among some of the others.  It seems clearly to be in its historical insurrectionist corner with the xenophobic narcissist Donald Trump.  However, there are 1455347302412.cachedother narcissists on the stage.  The Punditry is betting on a Trump-Cruz slugfest.

After splitting the first two votes, the New York billionaire has relentlessly hammered away at Cruz on everything from his campaign’s tactics to what Trump sees as the Texan’s character flaws. And on Friday, Trump warned that he has standing to sue Cruz over questions of his birth and constitutional eligibility to serve in the White House.

“If @tedcruz doesn’t clean up his act, stop cheating, & doing negative ads, I have standing to sue him for not being a natural born citizen,” Trump tweeted of his rival, born in Canada to an American mother.

Asked about the threat, Cruz did not back down. “There’s more than a little irony in Donald accusing anybody of being nasty given the amazing torrent of insults and obscenities that come out of his mouth on any given day,” he told reporters. “Suddenly every day he comes out with a new attack.”

Trump is expected to carry these attacks onto the stage on Saturday at the final candidate forum before South Carolina votes. It’s a fight Cruz’s allies say they are ready for, as they prepare to assault Trump’s Republican credentials with an eye on the conservative, religious and security-focused voters throughout the south.

The dynamics on Fat Tony’s demise will likely mean a group orgy of ass kissing.  The Republicans have already promised to to block any potential nomination by the President. McConnell indicated that the next 128340_600president should pick the new SCOTUS.  This seems like a dead end argument to me.  The Election math is clearly behind the D’s this time and any obstruction would likely create an avalanche of Obama Supporters to the Polls.  I’m not the only one who thinks this.

Just 18 days ago, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was asked about nominating President Barack Obama to the Supreme Court and she said, “That’s a great idea!”

Politico reported:

Asked by an Iowa voter at a town hall event here what she thought of appointing President Barack Obama to the Supreme Court if she were to become president, Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton seemed delighted by the prospect. “I’ll tell you, that’s a great idea!” a beaming Clinton told the crowd of 450 packed into a theater, noting that she’d never heard the question before.

Well. It’s an even greater idea if it is something that would happen immediately after the election, effectively motivating the same turnout as surprised the beltway for Obama in 2012.

They may posture for awhile, but they will also have to avoid going on any recess to avoid a recess appointment that would likely sail through a Dem-controlled Senate.  Again, the math indicates this a statistically likely outcome.  Also, if the Republicans manage to nominate one of their more obnoxious candidates, it will bring record numbers of minorities and women to the polls in states that aren’t safely red.

The 2016 elections are the Democrats’ best shot at wresting back control of the Senate for the rest of the decade, given that the 2018 off-year elections will force Democrats to defend 25 of the 33 seats on the ballot (including the two seats held by independents who caucus with them).

In a recent interview, Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus acknowledged the steep challenges Republicans face in 2016. When asked how Republicans will overcome the Democrats’ huge Electoral College advantage next year, Priebus summed up his party’s chances for the presidency this way: “[W]e have to be about perfect … and the other side can be about good. And so the fact is that we do have the higher burden.” In a year like 2016, their burden will extend beyond the presidential to the Senate as well.

Scalia's ExcuseSo, go ahead Rethugs, pick a fight!   Sounds really good to me. As for the Scalia death, I couldn’t be more celebratory.  It’s difficult for me to read anything the man wrote without seeing the face of evil. He was an “originalist” only when it suited his politics and theology.  He didn’t die under any kind of tragic circumstances other than he’s rotting in hell right now by his own religious beliefs since no priest heard his last confession.  Ironic that.  This does impact the election and we can only hope and pray that it removes that 5th vote that seeks to maintain white male, christian hegemony in all aspects of life.  Next month, a huge abortion case is on the docket.

This would be the case of Whole Woman’s Health v. Hellerstedt.


Docket No. Op. Below Argument Opinion Vote Author Term
15-274 5th Cir. Mar 2, 2016 TBD TBD TBD OT 2015

Issue: (1) Whether, when applying the “undue burden” standard of Planned Parenthood v. Casey, a court errs by refusing to consider whether and to what extent laws that restrict abortion for the stated purpose of promoting health actually serve the government’s interest in promoting health; and (2) whether the Fifth Circuit erred in concluding that this standard permits Texas to enforce, in nearly all circumstances, laws that would cause a significant reduction in the availability of abortion services while failing to advance the State’s interest in promoting health – or any other valid interest.

Again, I believe that the Republicans should hope Obama appoints a moderate and just go with it because a Clinton appointment with a Dem majority senate would rock their world.  Well, see if POTUS takes the in your face or practical route.

 Here are some reactions from SCOTUS blog.

The most immediate implications involve the presidential election.  President Obama of course has the power to nominate a successor, with the consent of the Senate.  In the ordinary course, because the opening was unexpected, the nomination would not be forthcoming for a couple of months and then the confirmation process would take several more months.

Theoretically, that process could conclude before the November election.  But realistically, it cannot absent essentially a consensus nominee – and probably not even then, given the stakes.  A Democratic president would replace a leading conservative vote on a closely divided Court.  The Republican Senate will not permit such a consequential nomination – which would radically shift the balance of ideological power on the Court – to go forward.

There is the related question of the Court becoming an issue in the election.  Before today, it was unlikely that many voters would choose a presidential candidate for this reason, given the importance of issues like the economy, terrorism, and immigration.  But the fact that there is an immediate vacancy – and a vacancy that could tip the Court’s ideological balance – makes the future of the Court much more concrete.

In the political primaries, the Court is not an issue that divides candidates of the same party.  Both Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, for example, are clear that they would want to appoint a more liberal successor that would oppose decisions like the Citizens United campaign finance ruling.  The leading Republican candidates would all make clear their support for a nominee who would oppose the Court’s rulings upholding the Affordable Care Act.

In the general election, the Court is also an issue that tends to drive the base of each party, so it may be most relevant to turn-out rather than to changing voters’ minds.  In general terms, conservatives have been more focused than progressives on the Court as a presidential legacy.  But both parties have groups of voters – on the left, supporting abortion rights, and on the right, supporting gun rights and opposing abortion, for example – for which the Court has outsized importance.

Because there remains almost a year in his Term, President Obama is likely to feel an obligation to put forward a nominee rather than completely accede to Republican objections to confirming anyone.  That may also be good presidential politics, as Democrats seek to paint Republicans as obstructionists.  Three potential nominees are easy to identify from among current appellate judges:  from the D.C. Circuit, Patricia Millett and Sri Srinivasan; and from the Ninth Circuit, Paul Watford.

But tonight we live blog the sound and the fury from some of the most extremist candidates the Republicans can offer.  Then, there’s Jeb Bush who is just more of the same old same old.2008-05-05-scalia-old-news

Let’s dig in!


133 Comments on “Live Blog: Six Men Standing (and one dead Justice) for Tonight’s Republican Debate”

  1. bostonboomer says:

    Joy Reid says Sanders campaign is way ahead of Clinton in organizing on the ground in SC.

    As of last week, the Clinton campaign had only two campaign offices in South Carolina: one in Charleston and another in the capital, Columbia, with just 14 full-time staffers including state director Clay Middleton. The campaign also has nine “get out the vote” sites – smaller-scale sites devoted to turnout – across the state.
    The Sanders campaign, meanwhile, had 240 staffers on the ground as of last week – 80 percent of them African-American – spread across 10 offices statewide.

    “That’s real infrastructure,” said one veteran South Carolina political consultant who was involved in the 2008 effort to elect Barack Obama and who spoke on background. “[Donald] Trump lost Iowa because his campaign didn’t have infrastructure and Ted Cruz did. That’s what gets people to the polls. And Hillary is the very person who should know about infrastructure, because that’s how she lost to Obama in 2008 in the first place.”

    The Sanders campaign is using both traditional and innovative strategies to reach voters, including “Bernie Bingo” for seniors who get a ride to the polls after enjoying the board game with the youthful canvassers. Voters in South Carolina have been able to vote early, absentee or in person since January 1, and the Sanders campaign is taking full advantage before the end of early voting for Democrats on February 26.

    • dakinikat says:

      You actually don’t need much in terms of offices in a Southern Black state if you have the churches and the ministers with you. They bus their congregants to the polls and do all the GOTV for you. I was amazed down here when I first saw it in action.

      • bostonboomer says:

        Do you think Reid is that biased? She quotes a lot of people saying there no enthusiasm for Clinton.

        • Fannie says:

          Yes, she wrote the book, Fractured, and she trying to split the vote, against Hillary.

          • bostonboomer says:

            Did you read her book, Fannie?

          • Fannie says:

            Yes, and I ended up tossing it. I really didn’t like her take on Hillary and Obama, very much a black man and she was the white woman………..and all the other stuff in between. She started right away selling her book while doing the news. Her bias is showing, too bad for her.

    • Fannie says:

      She trying too damn hard to stay in the fame, isn’t she.

  2. dakinikat says:
  3. Fannie says:

    Mercy, I am just about sure what Cruz is going to say tonight.

  4. dakinikat says:

    Well,we got the obligatory nod to the death of Fat Tony and the announcement that it would be the first question.

  5. dakinikat says:

    I’m looking at some of his opinions that I was shocked when I read them the first time out. I have to say, this guy will not be remembered in a positive light by future generations. Even when he writes for the majority he’s mean-spirited an hateful. Plus, he was an originalist only when it was convenient. Most of the time it was his personal theology, bigotry and politics that guided his thoughts. The constitution was the last thing he ever actually had in mind.

  6. bostonboomer says:

    Trump refers to the Senate Majority Leader as “Mitch.”

  7. dakinikat says:

    You don’t not elect a constitutionally mandated position based on the whims of an election year and election. These rethugs are nuts if they think that’s a good strategy.

  8. Fannie says:

    Trump, we need to stop, delay, delay, delay………whut……the bomb is dropped on our Country, and we are going to do what? Delay, Delay, Delay.

    Kasich………..I wouldn’t have any divisions. Bullshit, he needs to talk about the Planned Parenthood bill on his desk.

  9. dakinikat says:

    Good Lord, Ben Carson just suggested we change the Constitution on SCOTUS terms because we live longer

  10. roofingbird says:

    Carson, I’m a doctor and people live too long let’s change lifetime appointments, but lets loook at it first.

  11. roofingbird says:

    Rubio is back on speed. NANANANANANANANA May Scalia’s ideas live long and prosper.

  12. Fannie says:

    Actually, these candidates are playing on the death of Anthony Scalia………….Most people I’ve talked to are respectful, not digging in on the hate.

  13. roofingbird says:

    JEB! Records hide bad things. It’s not our fault when the Senate finds them out. Obama can’t find a single one we will like.

  14. roofingbird says:

    Cruz is afraid. OMG things might change.Principled constitutionalists only apply.

  15. Fannie says:

    Hey ashol Cruz, as president you can’t confirm, all you can do is nominate.

  16. roofingbird says:

    The proper answer might have been to agree to leave it.

  17. roofingbird says:

    Trump. No iraq, Rubio, is he growing a war

  18. janicen says:

    When I see Rubio speak on something, it feels like he’s repeating words that he studied but he has no idea what they mean. He can parrot stuff but he can’t think on his own.

  19. bostonboomer says:

    Is Trump losing his voice? He sounds hoarse and he’s not shouting at the top of his lungs.

  20. bostonboomer says:


  21. dakinikat says:

    Is there something wrong with Ben Carson? I always get the feeling he’s stoned.

  22. roofingbird says:

    Carson you were a doctor, so how do you handle the world calls? Judgement.

  23. bostonboomer says:

    Carson is so dumb. Why is he still in the race?

  24. dakinikat says:

    I’m still confused why the audience boo’d the moderator for correcting Cruz on the facts.

  25. roofingbird says:

    Any attack on NATO is an attack on us. The world wants us as “civilized” people to lead.

  26. roofingbird says:

    JEB is so wrong Trump says get rid of ISIS first.

  27. roofingbird says:


  28. roofingbird says:

    Cruz the greatist threat is IRAN tear apart the treaty. ISIS utterly defeat them air power and Kurds are boots on the ground. ??We are arming the Kurds, aren’t we now?

  29. roofingbird says:

    Climate change de-stabilized the Middle East, not just us.Well good for JEB! standing up for his family. he has to do this.

  30. bostonboomer says:

    Trump and Sanders agree that the War in Iraq was stupid and they each had “good judgment about it in 2002.

  31. janicen says:

    I am loving this sniping between Trump and Bush!

  32. roofingbird says:

    Kasich. Sunnis and Shia have never gotten along, the West mis-drew the map.

  33. roofingbird says:

    Interesting Rubio standing up for Bush and JEB! smiles.

  34. roofingbird says:

    Rubio, the Constitution is not a living and breathing document, kind of like his Bible, I imagine. The opposite of which is dead.

  35. roofingbird says:

    Trump, you said you would not touch entitlements and we would need 7.5 growth. How? I will save SS by bringing back jobs. Well, volume could work. GDP is flat and this county is dying. Waste fraud and abuse. We will get those dead 106 year olds.

  36. roofingbird says:

    Cruz- the middle class was left behind. We get growth by lowering taxes and here we go flat taxes and no IRS. No VAT, its flat, along with more of the same, yadayada

  37. Fannie says:

    Family Formation…………….I’d rather see Beyoncé on Formation.

  38. roofingbird says:

    Rubio, why should a conservative push a child credit? Its like a tool for a business, and its their money.

  39. roofingbird says:

    Kasich, Ohio, Medicaid expansion, we lower cost for homeless and mentally ill. We went to a surplus our credit is strong

  40. roofingbird says:

    JEB! Repeal Obamacare, even though Kasich did a good job. Kasich I did better Invokes Reagan. CATO institute thinks Kasich is at the bottom. Kasich is sick of negative campaigning. I don’t wonder.

  41. Fannie says:

    Poor Ted Cruz, they aren’t asking him enough questions tonight.

  42. roofingbird says:

    This whole thing is astonishingly old. Trump is still the only one that sound like he has unspecified different ideas. More people working means a bigger tax base. And the Medicaid arguments amongst Trump, JEB! and Kasich are reasoned

  43. roofingbird says:

    Immigration. Trump I want to take care of everyone in this country. Mexico will build our wall.

  44. roofingbird says:

    Rubio, I’ll talk a lot and then the Americans will decide what to do.

  45. roofingbird says:

    Cruz.. Don’t go door to door, use the list. No amnesty. Rubio-Schumer plan shows where he is. Rubio, says Cruz is not a purist. Liar, liar, liars everywhere. This exchange is like watching out of control teenagers on meth.

  46. roofingbird says:

    JEB! show respect to the immigrants who are legal. It’s weak to disparage women disabled and McCain. Trump thinks Bush is the weakest on immigration.

  47. janicen says:

    This debate is hilarious.

  48. roofingbird says:

    Kasich we are going to loose this election to Clinton if we keep this crap up. Path to legalization we are not going to drag 12 million people out of their homes.

  49. roofingbird says:

    Carson Of you want to get rid of poverty get rid of regulations

  50. roofingbird says:

    Economy. Cruz. Dad’s $115 and underwear. lift the burden on small business.

  51. Fannie says:

    When it comes to poverty, I think about my Dad coming from Cuba with $100 in his underwear – I mean to tell you, talk about dirty money.

  52. roofingbird says:

    Carrier, We will tax you if you move to Mexico, people were crying and angry. See, he hits it again.

  53. roofingbird says:

    Trump you have to have flexiblity, I am a common sense conservative. Private eminent domain.

  54. Fannie says:

    You nasty, nasty mother fucker, with dirty money in your underwear.

  55. roofingbird says:

    Cruz. Trump: Cruz will say anything and today there were robo calls in SC telling them, just like he did with Carson, that I wasn’t running.

  56. roofingbird says:

    This is exhausting to get anything out of.

  57. Fannie says:

    Everybody, head to the boarder.

  58. roofingbird says:

    Three people might be capable of talking to Assad, without their head getting chopped off.

  59. roofingbird says:

    Carson- free education is a non starter. Nest eggs are gone and it’s governments fault.

  60. Fannie says:

    JJ, where are you. Tell you instead of having a bell or buzzer, they need to have a midget come out with a hammer and hit ’em in the damn knee.

  61. roofingbird says:

    Trump I am open. I spent million, JEB! spent 44 and I came in first. Cut out the profanity. I didn’t say fuck you, you bleeped it so it looked worse.

  62. roofingbird says:

    JEB! emotional and Trump went bankrupt 4 times. Trump I used the laws, just like th ebiggest leader. but JEB! put so much debt in FL that it crashed after it was out.

  63. roofingbird says:

    Whats up with these moderators?

  64. janicen says:

    Jeb is horrified that so many Americans can’t make a $500 car payment. I’m sorry, that’s a big goddamned car payment. Jeb is shocked that some people couldn’t make that. OMG, you mean some people can’t afford a Lexus?!

  65. roofingbird says:

    Rubio I want the new Reagan, but if not I’ll do.

  66. Fannie says:

    Rubio, you can’t answer questions, maybe you would like to come out of your corner and ask some questions. Rubio: Do you hear voices in your head too. Do you feel like a flop, I know I am going to change.

  67. roofingbird says:

    Closing, thank goodness. Kasich, the Lord made all of us special and its up to you to fix it. You double down.

  68. roofingbird says:

    Carson the first generation expected to do worse. Pick me, I’m up on Stalin and I’m not political.

  69. roofingbird says:

    JEB! We got wet and windy and beaten down and came back from it. You can too.

  70. roofingbird says:

    Rubio, difficult times,life is at conception 2 sex marriage, Israel,

  71. roofingbird says:

    Cruz, do you want a deal maker or me. See this is why he is scary, he is just waiting for the Apocalypse. Everything else is a game.

  72. roofingbird says:

    Trump vote for me, I’m all the horrible things you think, But I want to live and so some of you will too.

  73. Fannie says:

    Here’s Jeb: I’m a man with a slow hand……….

    Here’s Rubio: I’m a man in Robot Mode

    Here’s Cruz: Dearly Beloved we are gathered here

    Here’s Trump: Check out Saturday Night, I say it three times a day, check me out.

  74. roofingbird says:

    I hope some of these folks get whittled down soon, this is hard work and not very informative. Or maybe there is no more information.

  75. Fannie says:

    Here the night’s selection:

  76. Fannie says:

    You do remember the show, don’t you.

  77. Fannie says:

    That’s me in the blue.