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Live Blog South Carolina Republican Debate(s): Going South and then some

images (6)Good Evening!

The main stage debate of the Republican party Presidential wannabes will showcase seven candidates.  Four candidates were sent to the kiddie table but Rand Paul has decided to stay home since this time he couldn’t whine himself out of his basement level poll numbers . The main debates starts at 9 pm eastern.  It’s on the Fox Business News Network so be prepared to hunt for it or to stream it.   (EWWWWWWWWWW)

Seven Republican candidates are set to clash in the sixth GOP presidential debate Thursday night, hosted by FOX Business in Charleston, SC. The debate, slated to begin at 9pm ET, will feature Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Ben Carson, Chris Christie, Jeb Bush and John Kasich.

Another four candidates who did not meet the network’s public polling requirements qualified for an undercard debate at 6pm ET: Rand Paul, Carly Fiorina, Mike Huckabee and Rick Santorum. But Paul has announced that he will boycott the event, accusing the network and the RNC of picking winners and losers in the GOP field.

Fiorina already said something completely objectionable in the currently running kiddie debate.

Unlike another woman in this race, I WAS actually spending time with my husband.”‪

Newsweek is live blogging both the debates here and she’s a mean one, Ms. Grinch.

“Unlike another woman in this race, I actually like spending time with my husband.” Thus did former Hewlett-Packard Chief Executive Carly Fiorina open the sixth Republican primary debate in Charleston, South Carolina, on Thursday. It was a barb aimed squarely at Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton, whom pundits and analysts expect to be a popular topic of discussion throughout the evening. Fiorina also criticized Clinton’s response to the 2012 attack on the U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, that left four Americans dead—an event recently immortalized in a factually dubious film directed by Michael Bay, of Transformers fame.

“We should stop letting refugees into this country,” Fiorina continued. A similar proposal to refuse refugees, floated by Republican frontrunner Donald Trump, earned him a bump in the polls, but has garnered widespread criticism from the political class.

As the night went on, Fiorina did not let up on Clinton. “Mrs. Clinton, you cannot wipe a server with a towel,” she said, referring to the Democratic candidate’s ongoing private email server scandal.

South Carolina is looking to play an important role in the elections so how the candidates position themselves will be significant.  

As this state prepared to host GOP primary debates on Thursday and next month, many Republicans are rooting for South Carolina to reclaim its kingmaker role in 2016.

Polls currently show celebrity businessman Donald Trump with a commanding lead, followed by Texas Sen. Ted Cruz and Florida Sen. Marco Rubio. But voters here are widely considered up for grabs, likely to be influenced by earlier contests in Iowa and New Hampshire and the unpredictable 11 days of the campaign after those votes and before the Feb. 20 GOP primary.

Candidates who are struggling in Iowa—such as former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, whose father and brother won victories in South Carolina that helped them clinch the nomination—are jockeying for better-than-expected showings in New Hampshire, hopefully followed by a strong finish in South Carolina.

“It’s a chance to reset the race,” said South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham, who quit running for president last month and has questioned Mr. Trump’s ability to build a winning national coalition in the general election. “My goal for South Carolina Republicans is get back to our roots. Let’s pick a conservative who can actually win the race because winning matters.”

South Carolina Republicans say they have had better luck picking candidates who end up winning the GOP nomination because the electorate is broader and more representative of the country than in the smaller states of Iowa and New Hampshire.

There are evangelical Christians in the northwestern part of the state near Bob Jones University in Greenville; affluent, more moderate professionals and retirees around the capital in Columbia and along the Atlantic coast in Charleston, Hilton Head and Myrtle Beach, and foreign policy hawks concentrated around the military bases in the central and southern parts of the state.

“South Carolina is a test for every facet of a campaign,” Mr. Moore said. “It’s not just about organization. It’s not just about message. It’s about winning a state with a broad and diverse electorate, so really it’s a test if you can win beyond South Carolina.”

In particular, South Carolina looks like a gateway to a potentially pivotal cluster of nearby southern states that will vote on March 1.

So, pull up a seat and join us for a lively discussion!!

Comments

160 responses to “Live Blog South Carolina Republican Debate(s): Going South and then some”

  1. Pat Johnson Avatar
    Pat Johnson

    I watched Carly Fiorina and can say for certain she is one miserable human being. With an approval rate of 3 percent you would expect her to come to the realization that she is going nowhere in this race. Yet she hangs on.

    Santorum did a lot of yelling and Huckabee x was flinging the poo as usual.

    1. dakinikat Avatar

      She is one nasty piece of work.

    2. Fannie Avatar
      Fannie

      They have certainly done their share in contaminating the republican campaign. Nobody I know feels anything about Carly Fiorina.

  2. Sweet Sue Avatar
    Sweet Sue

    Hey Gals and a few Guys,
    Does anyone else think when Ted Cruz talks about Trump’s “New York values” it’s dog whistle for Jews as in “Jews who run the Media?”

    1. dakinikat Avatar

      Yup.

    2. bostonboomer Avatar
      bostonboomer

      Jews, black people, gays, and uppity women.

      1. bostonboomer Avatar
        bostonboomer

        And immigrants, of course.

        1. dakinikat Avatar

          Well Lou Dobbs is around to feed the fire. Guess my new digital TV service includes this channel. Blech!

  3. Fannie Avatar
    Fannie

    You can count on it.

  4. bostonboomer Avatar
    bostonboomer

    Here’s the latest data on Iowa from FiveThirtyEight:

    The new Des Moines Register poll conducted by Ann Selzer is now out on the Democratic side, and like the results for the Republicans released yesterday, it really doesn’t change our perception of the race. In the poll, Hillary Clinton is slightly ahead of Bernie Sanders, 42 percent to 40 percent, while Martin O’Malley brings up the rear at 4 percent.

    The FiveThirtyEight’s polls-only forecast continues to suggest that Iowa leans Clinton’s way. She’s still at a 66 percent chance to win, as she was last night, while Sanders retains a 34 percent chance. Clinton continues to lead in the model not only because the Selzer poll has her ahead, but also because Selzer’s polls have had a fairly significant house effect. That is, they have tended to produce better results for Sanders and worse results for Clinton than the average poll. The model takes that into account — if a pro-bernie poll is showing Clinton ahead, the model thinks she must really be ahead.

    In the FiveThirtyEight polls-plus forecast, Clinton maintains a larger advantage. She’s at an 82 percent chance to win, while Sanders is at 18 percent. Clinton is in a better position in this forecast because of the many endorsements she’s earned. Moreover, Sanders didn’t really rise from the 39 percent he earned in the last Selzer poll, rather, Clinton dropped from 48 percent. Support from within her party’s infrastructure may help push newly undecided voters back into her column.

  5. Fannie Avatar
    Fannie

    Thanks Dak for doing live blog tonight!

  6. roofingbird Avatar

    You folks watching?

  7. roofingbird Avatar

    So, I just got on for Cruz. He is trying to be calm and resolute.

  8. roofingbird Avatar

    Kasich-simple formula freeze regulations and tax cuts for corps and few for peeps.

  9. roofingbird Avatar

    Aren’t we really beyond this mantra?

  10. Fannie Avatar
    Fannie

    Wow, Neil got the date wrong, it was a year before Obama took office, and Kascich was on the Lehman Brothers Board when it happened.

  11. roofingbird Avatar

    Sailors forced to appologise. Christie- military action when should it be used, strengthen alliances around the world. Talk to adversaries limits for patience. Wow, what an idiotic stance no third term for Obama.

  12. bostonboomer Avatar
    bostonboomer

    Has Ted Cruz ever answered a question as asked?

    1. bostonboomer Avatar
      bostonboomer

      Christie never answers the questions either.

  13. Fannie Avatar
    Fannie

    So Christie would you have used military force? He will not answer, his only answer is the world on fire, and don’t let Hillary in the white house for 3rd time.

  14. roofingbird Avatar

    JEB! Red lines, yeah, lets talk about the red lines for women not your garbage.

    1. bostonboomer Avatar
      bostonboomer

      We’re not better than when Obama was inaugurated? When he was inaugurated, the economy had collapsed as a result of Jeb Bush’s brother’s policies.

    2. roofingbird Avatar

      I thought he was referring to the military lines, like the chemical warfare, Syria said they wouldn’t use then did, and Obama didn’t go in, after he said he would. I meant that recent article where the welfare of women and children are not considered part of a red line.

  15. roofingbird Avatar

    WTF Terrorism is on the run?

    1. roofingbird Avatar

      Yeah, it’s running all around. HRC a security disaster. More lies She is not under investigation.

  16. Fannie Avatar
    Fannie

    Think about it, Bush just said that we are worst off than when his brother left office!

  17. bostonboomer Avatar
    bostonboomer

    Dodd Frank? That’s foreign policy and Hillary’s fault?

  18. Riverbird Avatar
    Riverbird

    I thought I could watch more than 15 minutes, but nope. I turned it off as J.E.B. was lying about Hillary being under investigation by the FBI.

  19. Fannie Avatar
    Fannie

    Whoa, Hillary is disqualified from being president!

  20. bostonboomer Avatar
    bostonboomer

    Marco Rubio needs a drink of water. Calm down, Marco.

    1. dakinikat Avatar

      Bars of soap for him!

  21. roofingbird Avatar

    Whats his name, says Obama doesn’t understand ISIS. Apparently he thinks Guantanamo should be immortalized.

  22. bostonboomer Avatar
    bostonboomer

    Carson is a boob.

    Obama doesn’t understand we live in the 21st century? Someone got him to memorize a bunch of gibberish and conspiracy theories.

    1. dakinikat Avatar

      He seems to repeat what aides try to teach him.

    2. roofingbird Avatar

      Agreed.

  23. roofingbird Avatar

    Carson makes a joke about being woken, is that an in doctor joke? Existential threat can be won if Carson helps our military.

  24. roofingbird Avatar

    Trump I’m real, war is real threats are real immigration are real, hoards of men are COMING!

  25. Fannie Avatar
    Fannie

    What a fuckin’ liar, Trump, the refugees, the lines I have seen are all men, strong, young men, not women, not children.

    1. roofingbird Avatar

      He is playing to the German attack of 100 women, by a reported 1000 men. Also reports indicating in Germany that a larger percentage of men have in fact traveled as refugees and what that means socially.

      1. roofingbird Avatar

        When I read that report, I imagined that in one way that would be logical. Also, what is happening to the women left behind?

  26. roofingbird Avatar

    Cruz is explaining his loans and made a paperwork error, Lol.

  27. Fannie Avatar
    Fannie

    I’m sorry that fucker, Cruz is blaming it all on the NEW YORK TIMES.

  28. Fannie Avatar
    Fannie

    You know I have borrow some money a time or two, or three. On that disclosure above the signature, I recall a clause regarding a penalty of perjury. And his wife is CEO of the bank? Come on brother, you can do better than feed us that shit.

    1. roofingbird Avatar

      Cruz, That was a good comeback re his citizenship.

      1. roofingbird Avatar

        I never understood how they were going to take that very far, after going through it with McCain.

  29. Pat Johnson Avatar
    Pat Johnson

    I loathe all of these people!p

    1. roofingbird Avatar

      Agreed.

    2. Boo Radly Avatar
      Boo Radly

      Ditto!

  30. Pat Johnson Avatar
    Pat Johnson

    Cruz is an idiot.

    1. roofingbird Avatar

      They all are.

  31. Pat Johnson Avatar
    Pat Johnson

    Here we go with the treatment polls.

  32. Pat Johnson Avatar
    Pat Johnson

    FREAKEN POLLS

  33. bostonboomer Avatar
    bostonboomer

    Wow, Trump is nuts. Democrats are going to file suit against Trump. Give me a break.

  34. bostonboomer Avatar
    bostonboomer

    I don’t know how much of this I can stomach.

  35. roofingbird Avatar

    Trump, Cruz, battle it out over Cruz’s citizenship and turn it into a reality show brawl.

  36. Pat Johnson Avatar
    Pat Johnson

    Let them go after one another and let the insanity flow.

  37. bostonboomer Avatar
    bostonboomer

    Rubio says Obama doesn’t believe in the Constitution or the free enterprise system. What a moron.

  38. roofingbird Avatar

    Whathisname needs move gravitas and less fast talk.

    1. roofingbird Avatar

      Christie says whathisname is lying. yadayada, Common Core is eliminated in NJ.

  39. roofingbird Avatar

    Here is to incompetent people!

  40. Fannie Avatar
    Fannie

    Mr. Trump, our country as made YOU a very big billionaire!

    1. Fannie Avatar
      Fannie

      has made you.

  41. bostonboomer Avatar
    bostonboomer

    Chris Christie wrote a check to Planned Parenthood!! Horrors!

    1. bostonboomer Avatar
      bostonboomer

      And btw, Hillary is not a target of an FBI investigation.

  42. Fannie Avatar
    Fannie

    And while I am talking, no one on this stage is a socialist, and secondly no one is under investigations, looking Christie square in the face. Hahahaha.

    1. bostonboomer Avatar
      bostonboomer

      LOL!

  43. Pat Johnson Avatar
    Pat Johnson

    I am trying to figure out who is lying the most. Tough call.

    1. roofingbird Avatar

      Agreed.

  44. Pat Johnson Avatar
    Pat Johnson

    NJI s in free fall under Christie.

  45. roofingbird Avatar

    Carson, can’t we all get along? If we lose the judges will be liberal.

  46. roofingbird Avatar

    Kasich- retrain 50 year olds. Yeah we wimmins need that, or we could pass the ERA, and fair wages.

  47. Fannie Avatar
    Fannie

    Your’re 51 years old, have lost your job, and you have no where to go? Yeah, ashol, because he doesn’t a UNION to back him up anymore. That’s why we don’t have the American Dream anymore.

  48. Fannie Avatar
    Fannie

    Here we go, Bill Clinton’s affairs.

  49. roofingbird Avatar

    Clinton’s a dick, HRC is an enabler. Carson, do we have standard and principles anymore? actually he almost sounds rational like he looking to build consensus. Scary.

    1. bostonboomer Avatar
      bostonboomer

      I thought he looked and sounded like a numbskull. These guys all belong in a Three Stooges short. They could have food fights then.

      1. roofingbird Avatar

        Lol.

  50. Pat Johnson Avatar
    Pat Johnson

    There is not one – NOT ONE – up on that stage who is even remotely qualified, or appears presidential.

    1. JJ Lopez Minkoff Avatar

      I’m actually glad that I can’t watch this shit. My mom had an accident while driving Bebe’s car this evening. Ma is bruised up a bit around the knees and they are swollen. Dealing with all this stuff now. Yuk.

      1. dakinikat Avatar

        Oh I’m sorry … It’s liarpalooza!

      2. roofingbird Avatar

        Your Mom, gonna be ok? Car damage can be a pain. A couple of years ago we parked our RV, Hubby’s company truck and my old Talon in a row on the street, cause we were using our parking area. That night around 11, a drunk made it around the corner of our 25 mph street and managed to speed up in 200 feet enough to smash into the back of the Talon, totaling it and pushing it into the full sized newer truck, almost totaling that, pushing the truck into the RV, damaging the bumper. The driver was drunk but fine and amazingly, had insurance. I had fixed up the Talon for my granddaughter but that was gone. Can’t do anything but laugh, even though it changes your driving parameters.

  51. Pat Johnson Avatar
    Pat Johnson

    ANSWER THE GODDAMNED QUESTION!!

  52. Fannie Avatar
    Fannie

    We’ll be right back to see how this debate is going:

    https://youtu.be/qgSPI8omRsE

    1. roofingbird Avatar

      HahahahaH!

    2. Pat Johnson Avatar
      Pat Johnson

      Funny!

  53. roofingbird Avatar

    Guns In Florida you make money shipping guns to CA.

  54. bostonboomer Avatar
    bostonboomer

    Bush: If you commit a gun crime in Florida, you’re going away.

    Really? Like George Zimmerman?

    1. roofingbird Avatar

      Yep, just like!

    2. Fannie Avatar
      Fannie

      Sure.

      1. Fannie Avatar
        Fannie

        He’s gone buying more bullets.

  55. Pat Johnson Avatar
    Pat Johnson

    These people lack even a modicum of commonsense.

  56. bostonboomer Avatar
    bostonboomer

    From FiveThirtyEight’s live blog:

    HARRY ENTEN 9:53 PM
    We’ve heard a lot from Bernie Sanders citing general election polls to prove he’s electable. I don’t put much faith in general election polls at this point because they haven’t proven to be predictive. Indeed, John Kasich’s response on facing Sanders shows Republicans are champing at the bit to face Sanders because of his support of democratic socialism. Why? Gallup polling has shown that only 47 percent of Americans are even willing to vote for a socialist. That’s below the percentage willing to vote for a Catholic, woman, African-American, Hispanic, Jew, Mormon, gay or lesbian, evangelical Christian and Muslim.

    1. dakinikat Avatar

      Yup.

  57. bostonboomer Avatar
    bostonboomer

    Imagine having Rubio as president? A fast talking liar and con man.

  58. Fannie Avatar
    Fannie

    Where did those guns on the black market come from Rubio?

  59. Pat Johnson Avatar
    Pat Johnson

    His age, religion and political label will bury him in the general.

  60. roofingbird Avatar

    I can’t take this, whatshisname makes me want to dig a hole and push him in it. Christie is right-a petulant child. Clearly I am pre-imagining child abuse, If this keeps up I ‘ll have to give one of us a time out.

    1. bostonboomer Avatar
      bostonboomer

      I’ve had all I can take. I’m turning it off.

      1. roofingbird Avatar

        I understand.

  61. Pat Johnson Avatar
    Pat Johnson

    I hate Cruz with a burning passion.

    1. bostonboomer Avatar
      bostonboomer

      He’s despicable.

  62. roofingbird Avatar

    Cruz is burying himself with this NY thing. Stop digging.

  63. roofingbird Avatar

    Trump the smell of death and rebuilding. Trump understands NYC like Clinton.

  64. Pat Johnson Avatar
    Pat Johnson

    Storm Thurmond? That racist pig?

  65. roofingbird Avatar

    Did JEB say something rational? I missed it while I was centering. Kasich blah.

    1. Pat Johnson Avatar
      Pat Johnson

      No. He never does so you missed nothing.

  66. Pat Johnson Avatar
    Pat Johnson

    You look at that stage and you have to question is the best we can do? Not one original thought or policy issue coming out of any of them.

    1. dakinikat Avatar

      Republican party is dead.

      1. Fannie Avatar
        Fannie

        Trump is the cause of death of the republican party as we know it. Go ahead and write up the death certificate.

  67. Fannie Avatar
    Fannie

    No more barbques for the Prince of Saudia Arabia………bad beef in Texas.

    1. Pat Johnson Avatar
      Pat Johnson

      Hee hee.

  68. Pat Johnson Avatar
    Pat Johnson

    “I will beat Isis by closing all the bridges.” Chris Christie

    1. Fannie Avatar
      Fannie

      Yup, that will do it.

      1. dakinikat Avatar

        And Marco Rubio will do it by getting very very scowly and angry!

        1. Fannie Avatar
          Fannie

          I’m looking for a bridge too far, but I’d like to ask each and everyone of them: Is Iraq our allied or our enemy?

  69. Fannie Avatar
    Fannie

    Christie, let me help you: Isis is Sunni’s, and the Saudia Arabians are Sunni’s…………and on 9/11, they were Saudia Arabians.

  70. Fannie Avatar
    Fannie

    When I am president, I will ask them as they come here, are your a bad guy or a good guy. That works.

    1. roofingbird Avatar

      Lol.

  71. roofingbird Avatar

    China has control of North Korea and could do something. China needs a corporate whack job from us, not politial hacks. hmmm tpp a good thing?

  72. Pat Johnson Avatar
    Pat Johnson

    Obama is at fault for everything.

    1. Fannie Avatar
      Fannie

      Famous Republican words: Reverse Course, cut the taxes for the rich.

      1. dakinikat Avatar

        Cruz is insane. Abolish the IRS but still tax folks? Wtf?

        1. Fannie Avatar
          Fannie

          My eyes are rolling, what next?

        2. roofingbird Avatar

          whatshisname had the comeback for that. Hire 20,000 under another name to manage tax returns.

  73. Fannie Avatar
    Fannie

    Caterpillar has been headquartered in France for over 15 years, Trump.

    1. Fannie Avatar
      Fannie

      They make it up as they go along, it’s John Deere. Oh, it not China, it’s the IRS. They driving the damn country into a shit hole.

      1. Fannie Avatar
        Fannie

        When you dig in manure, it’s full of shit.

  74. dakinikat Avatar

    I can’t believe we’re getting Trump to talk tariffs.

    1. roofingbird Avatar

      OMG Sanctuary cities are the reason we have crime, bad immigrants!!!

    2. roofingbird Avatar

      Yeah. There are a few things here.

  75. Pat Johnson Avatar
    Pat Johnson

    Apparently Rkubio has never heard of Flint, No as he demands,we deregulate.

    1. Fannie Avatar
      Fannie

      They aren’t concerned about the corporations loyalty to our country.

  76. roofingbird Avatar

    JEB has just clearly explained why soybeans should be used in the US, not China.

  77. roofingbird Avatar

    I’m losing Wifi.

    1. Fannie Avatar
      Fannie

      Get back here.

      1. roofingbird Avatar

        I’m kind of back but I can only hear them.

  78. Fannie Avatar
    Fannie

    Christie, I suggest that we legalize breaking the US TAX Laws to fix the bridges in SC, we don’t need to build a tunnel.

  79. Fannie Avatar
    Fannie

    Rubio, I am going to side with Raygun, and not Pelosi. If any unions are left, you can be assured that I will bust there asses.

  80. roofingbird Avatar

    Reagan’s said no VAT tax. 15% flat tax. Abolish the IRS.

    1. Fannie Avatar
      Fannie

      No taxes, no gun laws, no regulations, and no minimum wage, and screw your vote.

      1. roofingbird Avatar

        Exactly.

  81. Fannie Avatar
    Fannie

    Three fucking more minutes to go. The biggest idiots I’ve ever listened to.

    1. roofingbird Avatar

      Yep

  82. roofingbird Avatar

    Carson is doing the same thing women are accused of; not speaking up enough. Men win cause they talk more and longer and over each other.

  83. Fannie Avatar
    Fannie

    If I become President, I wouldn’t care about my businesses, my employees can go screw themselves.

    1. Fannie Avatar
      Fannie

      Drumpf

      1. Fannie Avatar
        Fannie

        Blow the hell out of Isis, and then go in there and build new Trump Hotels.

  84. roofingbird Avatar

    Kasich. arggh. I have to stop using the word “folks”

  85. roofingbird Avatar

    I keep thinking these people will still be around even after this election, and some of them will be in Congress.

  86. roofingbird Avatar

    How do you retrain a right wing nut? What job are they suited for?

  87. roofingbird Avatar

    JEB wants to put the NSA in charge of private internet safety? did I hear that right?

  88. roofingbird Avatar

    HRC apologised for not saying all live matter? That’s a mid warp.

    1. roofingbird Avatar

      all lives matter? That’s a mind warp.

  89. Fannie Avatar
    Fannie

    Tomorrow morning a new movie is out on Benghazi, watch it, I produced, directed, and I am the shining star in this movie, not Hillary Rodham Clinton.

    1. roofingbird Avatar

      Ha.

  90. Fannie Avatar
    Fannie

    I tell you what if any of these idiots are elected, this country will be haunted by fear for years, and years, and years to come.

  91. roofingbird Avatar

    Trump. Construction workers were upset about the view of our soldiers kneeling? Declare war!

    1. Fannie Avatar
      Fannie

      Thanks for hanging with me Roof………….they act like they were born yesterday. Knowledge escapes them.

      1. roofingbird Avatar

        Nite Fannie!

    2. dakinikat Avatar

      We wandered into their borders…sheesh

  92. roofingbird Avatar

    Nite everyone, that was hard work and my brain feels abused. Gonna look at seed catalogs for awhile.