Commonplace Lying Liars and Big Fat Lying Liars and their Big Fat Lies

Far be it for me to complain about other states’ crazy Republican governors.  The Wisdom Beings know that my crazy Republican Governor Bobby Jindal is right up there with the worst of them.  After all, how many folks can say their governor helped kidnap and physically abuse  a young woman in the name of an exorcism and then wrote about it as a spiritual experience in their school newspapers?

Chris Christie–pardon the pun–is big among Republican circles these days because he supposedly is showing how failed economic policies aren’t really failing.  This appears to be a Republican obsession these days.  Of course, they are failing, have failed and will fail.  So, what do you do when the facts just can’t be changed?  You lie.

Chris Christie–pardon the pun–is a big fat lying liar.

Paul Krugman mentioned this offhandedly last week. Chris Christie is trying to run on the idea of “The Jersey Comeback”.  The problem is that it’s not the least bit true.  Ask any one that actually lives in New Jersey and check out their stats.  This isn’t stopping Christie from peddling his big fat lies as a big fat lying liar. You can check a really astounding FRED graph at that Krugman site that shows exactly how bad the employment situation is in New Jersey when compared to New York and Pennsylvania.

One real problem with living in New Jersey is that the state’s two major cities are, of course, New York and Philadelphia — which means that even if you live here, policy and politics reporting tends to be sparse. So it wasn’t until the latest budget fiasco surfaced that I even knew that Christie was running on the theme of the “Jersey Comeback”.

And now that I know, I wonder what on earth he’s talking about …

I’m actually not sure why NJ is doing so much worse than New York or Pennsylvania, and I doubt that Christie has much to do with it, but he’s the one trying to claim credit for … what?

Of course, his response to this chart would probably be to yell insults at the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

So, the funny thing is that Economist Stan Collender took Krugman’s back-of-the-napkin–with no offense intended to the NYT–analysis and lit it on fire. I’ve taught from both Krugman and Collender’s books.  I follow their research.  Both are terrific scholars.  Both also blog with intense shrillness when they bump into just plan out and out lying.  This brings us back to the Big Fat Lying Liars that are all over the Republican Party these days.  Collender does the shrill one one better writing “Is This The Economic Dark Ages In The U.S?”  I’ve quoted the entire thing because it’s so succinct I couldn’t just excerpt it.  The goddess of fair use will have to forgive me along with Dr. Collender.

My guess is that Paul Krugman thought that this post was one of the more trifling economic-oriented pieces he has written in a while. It was short and probably took little time. It was also seemingly commonplace. After all, it was about a politician who said something inherently and obviously false.

But I found it to be extremely disturbing, not because it was off-the-wall — it’s anything but — but because it described a behavior — bald-face lying — that has become so blatant and commonplace among Republican policymakers on economic issues that any one of them who is even slightly honest and candid now would be both an absolute rarity and a welcome relief.

And the fact that the GOP lying about the economy…and especially the budget…is so accepted and expected means that any Republican who wasn’t jump-the-shark ridiculous on these issues wouldn’t be allowed to stay in the party much longer.

The obvious frustration that Krugman expresses in the post (not to mention the almost back-of-the-hand way he swats away Governor Chris Christie’s one-liner about the strength of the New Jersey economy and in the process makes the governor appear ridiculous to anyone who takes the time to look at the facts) mirrors what I was thinking when I posted this about House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) last week.

As I noted in the post, Boehner, who easily qualifies as the weakest and least effective Speaker in my lifetime and has to be included on the list of the all-time worst in U.S. history, demonstrated yet again that he’ll say and do anything to stay speaker even when what he’s saying about the budget can easily be shown to be nonsense and when he knowingly and without giving it a second thought  threatens the well-being of the U.S. economy.

I’d say this doesn’t bode well for the outcome of this year’s federal budget debate, but that’s both obvious and an understatement. It actually points to the a period in U.S. history that is very likely to be labeled by historians as its economic dark ages.

Krugman actually inkled something similar over the weekend in a interview with Raw Story where he said “This may be when it all falls apart”.

“We are living through a time where we face an enormous economic challenge,” he told RT’s Thom Hartmann. “We are facing — obviously — the worst challenge in 80 years and we are totally mucking up the response. We’re doing a terrible job. We’re failing to deal with it. All of the people, the respectable people, the serious people, have made a total hash of this. That is a recipe for radicalism. It is a recipe for breakdown.”

Krugman noted that the massive demonstrations in parts of Europe were reminiscent of the 1930s.

“There are a lot of ugly forces being unleashed in our societies on both sides of the Atlantic because our economic policy has been such a dismal failure, because we are refusing to listen to the lessons of history. We may look back at this thirty years from now and say, ‘That is when it all fell apart.’ And by all, I don’t just mean the economy.”

I have no idea why so many people seem so wedded to absolute lies.   Unfortunately, they are our policy makers.   Right now, they are so attached to their lies that it seems a lot of us think they are willing to bring down the entire country and it looks like they bloody well will do it too.  What really gets me is that so many stupid people seem to want to believe these lies.  What’s an economist to do but just be as shrill as possible.

  h/t to Ralph

19 Comments on “Commonplace Lying Liars and Big Fat Lying Liars and their Big Fat Lies”

  1. northwestrain says:

    Problem is that critical thinking ability is needed to even listen to 99.9 % of Republican politicians. They all lie all the time.

    That bit about Jindal is just plain gross — why isn’t he in one of the LA jails raked at number 1?

    Anything can be done to women in the name of God.

    • northwestrain says:

      That first link is a must read about Jindal’s nutty religious cult dogma is a — must read — Jindal is nuts.

      • dakinikat says:

        I can’t believe any one takes him seriously. He’s a complete nutter.

      • northwestrain says:

        I was truly surprise to see that he was being suggested for VP on the GOP ticket. At first I though that the articles were a joke. But those idiots are serious.

        Romney is a religious nut case — Violet Socks has a short review of the Mormon religion plus a photo of the Mormon underwear.

        So if these two happen to be the GOP ticket — we absolutely know for sure that the old Republican party is dead. Two different wing nuts on the ticket and probably the dems are too afraid to mention that our forefathers knew a thing or two about the evil of church rule.

        My husband refused to believe that the Mormons really do have special underwear — most people do think this is a joke. While in Utah we talked to a clothing store manager who was not a Mormon but who has indeed helped several Mormons wearing their special underwear. That’s the comedy part — the rest is real

        Plus the Mormons killed the ERA. For that I will never forgive that patriarchal misogynistic church.

  2. The Rock says:

    I have no idea why so many people seem so wedded to absolute lies. Unfortunately, they are our policy makers.

    And THAT is why things are going to bet a whole lot worse before they get any better.


    Hillary 2012

    Nice post Dak. Welcome back 😉

    • RalphB says:

      It’s simply beyond me why ordinary people don’t see through the ridiculous lies and toss all those people out of office. At this point in time, it’s really hard to overlook all the evidence to the contrary of the nutcases.

    • dakinikat says:

      Thanks! I’m still exhausted and I’m caught between loving the peace and quiet and missing my girls.

      • The Rock says:

        I hope we are all still around this meeting place to hear grandchildren stories…. 🙂

        Hillary 2012

      • RalphB says:

        Speaking of grandchildren, here’s one a couple of years ago. Andrew is almost 16 now.

      • dakinikat says:

        wow … very kewl! Thanks for sharing!!

      • RalphB says:

        You’re welcome. It’s no surprise that I would think so, but he really is a great kid.

      • The Rock says:


        That little man will be on a wheaties cover someday!! Does he play any of the more conventional sports? Football? Baseball? Soccer? Basketball? Hockey?

        Hillary 2012

      • RalphB says:

        Surfs just about every day, plays soccer and baseball. His other grandfather was a long time professional baseball player and manager. He also does commercials and photo shoots as a model for ad campaigns. Kid makes as much money as most grown-ups 🙂

      • Seriously says:

        Wow, that was impressive! How long has he been surfing?

      • RalphB says:

        Heh Andrew’s mom surfed in CA when she was 7 mos pregnant with him. She had him in the water as a baby. He’s been surfing since he was very young. He was about 12 when that video was shot.

  3. RalphB says:

    Another nail in the coffin of the republican economic beliefs, if one were needed.

    Market Fears Send Key Interest Rate To 66-Year Low

    NEW YORK (AP) — The drop in a key interest rate to a 66-year low is a sign of one thing — fear.

    Traders don’t actually think a Treasury note paying 1.62 percent is a good investment. They just trust Uncle Sam to keep their money safe if Europe falls apart.

    “When people just want to get their money back, there’s not a lot of competition,” said Bill O’Donnell, head of U.S. Treasury strategy at the Royal Bank of Scotland.

    The benchmark 10-year Treasury note fell Wednesday to its lowest level since November 1945 as worries about the European debt crisis roiled markets worldwide. Investors sold off stocks and plowed money into government bonds that are considered safe.

    • RalphB says:

      As Pierce says, “Fck the deficit. People got no jobs. People got no money.”

  4. RalphB says:

    I agree with Greg Sargent in the WAPO, you can’t make this shit up it’s too obviously bogus. It does fit with the liar post though.

    The Romney campaign’s surreal arguments about the economy

    You really couldn’t make this one up if you tried.

    The Romney campaign is out with a new press release blasting Obama for presiding over a “net” loss in jobs. As I’ve been saying far too often, this metric is bogus, because it factors in the hundreds and hundreds of thousands of jobs the economy was hemorrhaging when Obama took office, before his policies took effect.

    But this time, there’s an intriguing new twist in the Romney campaign’s argument.

    In the same release attacking Obama over “net” job loss, the Romney camp also defends Romney’s jobs record as Governor of Massachusetts by pointing out … that Romney inherited a state economy that was losing jobs when he took office.
    In other words, if we were to apply to Obama the same standard that the Romney campaign wants applied to itself, Obama has created millions of jobs. (Relatedly, Mike Tomasky tried to apply the same standard to both men’s records, and concluded that if you don’t factor in early job loss for either, Obama’s job growth percentage exceeds Romney’s.)

    All this is more than just a gotcha. It goes directly to the heart of Romney’s entire case against Obama. The claim that “net” jobs were lost on Obama’s watch is absolutely central to Romney’s whole argument, and the Romney team has repeated it for months and months in every conceivable forum. But the new standard the Romney campaign wants applied to him — i.e., that the focus should be on jobs added after jobs losses were reversed — would seem to completely undercut this entire case.

    Perhaps this, finally, will be enough to draw a bit of scrutiny to the argument that forms the core of Romney’s whole rationale for running for president.