Obama is not Winning Hillary Clinton’s Supporters or Independents
Posted: August 21, 2008 Filed under: Hillary Clinton: Her Campaign for All of Us, No Obama, PUMA | Tags: Hillary Clinton, Hillary voters say NO to obama, Obama tanking in polls 5 CommentsA new poll has just shown that 52 % of Hillary Clinton Supporters (WSJ/NBC poll) will support Obama. The same poll showed that 17% of her supporters will be voting for McCain. These new figures should be sending superdelegates into high concern mode as they head towards Denver. While Obama is running neck-and-neck with McCain, any generic democratic candidate has a 10% lead while Senator Hillary Clinton is still showing a 5 – 8% lead over McCain.
A Wall Street Journal/NBC poll also points to a big challenge for Sen. Obama as his party gathers in Denver next week for its convention: rallying Sen. Hillary Clinton’s supporters to his cause. Only half of those who voted for Sen. Clinton in the primaries say they are now supporting Sen. Obama. One in five is supporting Sen. McCain. The Republican has reached out to Clinton supporters by offering steady praise for the former first lady and hinting that he’d be open to a running mate who supports abortion rights.
source: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121926582869857905.html?mod=hpp_us_whats_news
Is the press finally seeing that Senator Obama is a seriously flawed candidate who is unlikely to win the Presidiency? Will the superdelegates wake up to the same realization before it is too late?
Overall, the poll finds the race a statistical dead heat, with 45% favoring Sen. Obama and 42% Sen. McCain. …Sen. Obama’s campaign faces a critical task in Denver: bringing Sen. Clinton’s supporters to his side. Among all voters, 11% say both that they would vote for Sen. Clinton if she were running against Sen. McCain and that they aren’t ready to back Sen. Obama against the Republican.
These voters seem like natural Obama backers: They are not happy with the direction of the country, they don’t like President Bush, and they want Congress to be controlled by Democrats. Ideologically, they are liberal or moderate. Demographically, they tend to be female with incomes below $50,000 — two groups that lean Democratic.
Yet people in this group view Sen. McCain more favorably than they view Sen. Obama, and they are uncomfortable with the idea of Sen. Obama in the White House. One in three sees Sen. Obama as “arrogant and cocky,” an image the McCain campaign has aggressively tried to create for him over the past month.
These disaffected Democrats could make a difference in big states where Sen. Clinton did well, including Ohio and Pennsylvania.
Can we say PUMA? This is definitely a display of the size of the PUMA movement. While I’m still betting Obama takes Biden to shore up his complete lack of foreign diplomacy, new rumors of a Hillary VP are found in every MSM outlet this afternoon. Why put the obvious presidential candidate at the bottom of the ticket to drag the inadquate Obama up in the polls? If I were Hillary, I’d run as fast as I can from this proposition, even though she’s already being blamed for Obama’s sagging poll numbers by all the usual suspects.
Superdelegates!! PLEASE WAKE UP! Put CLINTON first, and OBAMA second and I bet you’ll see those poll numbers shoot up in no time!
Meanwhile, CNN is reporting that Hillary’s Debt is still high.
Well over two months have passed since Hillary Clinton formally abandoned her White House bid, but newly-released Federal Election Commission reports show the New York senator has made little headway in paying off her sizeable campaign debt.
According to an FEC report filed Wednesday, Clinton’s debt as of the end of July stood at just under $24 million — a decrease of only $1.2 million since the end of June. More than $13 million of that total is owed to the New York senator herself, while close to $11 million is owed to individual vendors. Clinton has suggested she is not seeking to pay back the money she owes herself.
The report also shows Clinton was only able to raise $2 million in the month of July — down from close to $3 million in June. By comparison, Barack Obama raised over $50 million for his White House bid in the same time period.
The report comes as some high-profile Clinton backers have expressed disappointment Obama has not made more of an effort to help his onetime rival retire her campaign debt.
source: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/21/disclosure-repots-show-clinton-still-deeply-in-debt/
What do we have to do to set all of this RIGHT?
ACORN New Orleans Pictures
Posted: August 21, 2008 Filed under: No Obama | Tags: ACORN 9 Comments
This is the 1000 block of Elysian Fields. The Acorn building is next to the two pink buildings at the very end. It’s address is 1024 EF.
Here is the ACORN Building–it’s empty now because they’ve moved to a new location on Canal Street.
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/20/money-laundering-scandal/
Pandering to the original Kool Aid Drinkers: a Prime Time Exercise in Iron Age Mythology
Posted: August 17, 2008 Filed under: Human Rights, No Obama | Tags: Founding Fathers and religion, Kool aid drinking, mccain, Obama, Values forum 7 CommentsI didn’t watch the values forum last night despite all the hype. I had a lot of reasons for this. One, I really get tired of watching Obama continually invent himself and his life story. Two, I really didn’t want to watch McCain in high pander mode speaking to the craziest part of the Republican base. Three, I have to say that I avoid this country’s original koolaid drinker’s–the hyper religious–because I have a low threshold for ignorance and intolerance. If you have issues with atheists, you better stop reading now, because I’m going into full attack mode on what continues to be used by the powerful to control the weak: religion.
Why don’t we have big media events surrounding the candidates discussing their commitment to science and reasoned thought? We could have conversations on constitutional issues or approaches to foreign relations and trade. Instead, we get conversations on personal screw ups and what role ignorance plays in your life. Since Sunday morning new shows are part of weekly ritual, I’m currently enduring clips and analysis about Obama’s high school drug use (yawn) and McCain’s first marriage (bigger yawn). Obama was once again his light weight best. (This seemed to me a repeat of an Oprah interview). McCain just pulled the list of cliches every Republican uses when dealing with the likes of Dr. Dobson and Pat Robertson. Yes, a fertilized egg = a walking, talking breathing, thinking human being. Yes, marriage = some sort’ve club that somebody’s imaginary friend only lets one woman and one man into. Yes, I have an imaginary friend that I speak to even though that kind of behavior is usually associated with mental illness but is considered mandatory when you call the imaginary friend “god”. They both had to cite their carefully worded confirmation lessons for the benefit of the Pharisees.
I can’t imagine Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Paine, or James Madison doing this sort of thing or going any where near the likes of Warren and his sheeple. Warren and his ability to make a group of people pay him tons of money so they can feel better about themselves is only equal these days to Obama’s ability to do the same. These guys are snake oil salesmen, pure and simple.
If you read the letters between Adams and Jefferson, they actually spend a huge amount of ink making fun of the hyperreligious and trying to figure out ways to stop them from ruining the USA. Thomas Paine was an ardent atheist. The major framers of the Declaration were deists at best and were probably just quiet atheists. Jefferson actually rewrote a bible for the Unitarian Universalist church taking out everything he considered to be based on fantasy. This means his version is a very small pamphlet. He considered Jesus a fictional character– along the lines of King Arthur–possibly a real person but so steeped in stories by now, the real person has been long lost. Most of the founding fathers found religion to be a base on which to build moral frameworks and something not to be taken literally. Can you imagine what last night’s group of kool aid drinkers would’ve have done to these three or four men and first presidents that many consider most responsible for the founding of this country?
None of the major founders of the country considered themselves Christian at all because they were all learned men who were born during the Age of Reason. They had read exactly what and how the religion was invented in the 3rd century. The Nicean Council was charged with setting up some thing that would be a tool to manage slaves, children and women, and spread Romanism throughout the conquered lands. Most Christians aren’t even aware they celebrate their ‘sabbath’ on Sunday because Constantine, the Roman Emperor responsible for inventing Christianity as we know it, was a committed high priest of the Sun God for his entire life. Each Sunday, Christians gather to celebrate Constantine’s snark.
We’re now in the 21st century, it’s time we stop badgering candidates to adopt Iron Age superstitions to be considered acceptable presidents. Let’s ask them to be reasoned, intellectually honest, and true to the spirit of this country’s commitment to freedoms instead. Pastor Rick Warren and his ilk should be left to the realm of the National Enquirer and not the nation’s business. This is especially true in a country where the fastest growing belief systems are Buddhism and Islam. Every day, we become more religiously diverse. There are also a huge number of atheists out there –besides Buddhist who are atheistic by doctrine. The Presidency should be an office for the intellectually gifted, not the reason-impaired. Religion needs to be kept out of politics as was the original intent of the founders of the nation.
Some examples on the Founding Father’s Belief System
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between church and State.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT., Jan. 1, 1802
http://www.nobeliefs.com/jefferson.htm
Indeed, Mr. Jefferson, what could be invented to debase the ancient Christianism which Greeks, Romans, Hebrews and Christian factions, above all the Catholics, have not fraudulently imposed upon the public? Miracles after miracles have rolled down in torrents.
— John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson, December 3, 1813, quoted from James A Haught, ed, 2000 Years of Disbelief
http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/adams.htm
Dead Enders and Picking on Poor Ol’ Barrack
Posted: August 15, 2008 Filed under: Hillary Clinton: Her Campaign for All of Us, No Obama | Tags: Hillary and the roll call vote, No Obama, PUMA 8 CommentsPuma has been receiving a lot of media attention recently. Some of the most interesting came yesterday when the MSM tried to determine the role of PUMA in seeing that Hillary Clinton’s name was properly placed in a roll call vote from the floor of DNC convention.
Every one was buzzing about the AP article yesterday as well as the appearance of Will Bower and Darraugh Murphy on MSNBC. What really got to me yesterday was one comment by Anderson Cooper to Candi Crowly late last night. Candy and Anderson were analyzing the impact of the Hillary Floor vote which the Obama campaign tried to twist into, well ‘it was always our intention’ and ‘we were okay with this all along’ moment. David Gergen on the same program said that the decision made it look like Obama could be bullied into anything. Anderson and Candy began to use the term ‘dead-enders’. I guess I was some what used to this word after having been compared to Japanese soldiers holding up in remote places after World War 2 earlier. However, Anderson did the term one better. He side joked to Candy about the last time they were using the term dead-ender. I’m not exactly sure what all he was intending to imply, but being compared to Sunni insurgents and the infamous Donald Rumsfeld/Dick Cheney neocon excuse for why Iraq just wouldn’t settle down and be happy after being invaded was an interesting metaphor. It took me aback.
Yesterday’s AP article was perhaps the first time the press really started looking at PUMA as something more than a group of disgruntled Hillary dead-enders.
Obama needs Clinton’s supporters to beat Republican John McCain. Polls show that he has won over most of them. But some simply don’t like Obama or still feel Clinton was treated unfairly during the primaries.
These groups are not affiliated with Clinton, who has endorsed Obama and campaigned for him. Representatives from the Clinton and Obama campaigns said they are working to unify the party because Obama will champion issues important to Clinton supporters, such as reforming health care, improving the economy and ending the war in Iraq.
“Senator Clinton understands and appreciates that there are supporters who remain passionate, but she has repeatedly urged her supporters to vote for Senator Obama,” Clinton spokeswoman Kathleen Strand said.
Within the PUMA movement itself there are a variety of differing opinions on where to go from here. This is because PUMA is somewhat bigger than Hillary at this point. It’s not just our support of Clinton and her treatment, but the cavalier way the DNC has tossed aside the one-man-one vote principle, adopted wholesale the Obama Agenda by disallowing and ruling off limits certain topics in the platform drafting process, allowed the caucus process to be pirated, and set up weights on election results that so obviously put an unqualified lightweight on a fast track. I don’ think we’re so much dead-enders for Hillary, but dead-enders for the Democratic Process and the American value of dissent.
I was listening to Proud Military Mom describe her frustration with the platform committee on River Daughter’s Internet show. She said many tried to discuss a future democratic party that relies on primaries and not caucuses because of their un-democratic outcomes and obvious openness to fraud. All discussions, she reported, were ruled out of order. She said the committee was there basically to rubberstamp the Obama agenda which had been part and parcel of this latest Obama book deal. Now the profits from this book deal are supposed to go to charity. One has to wonder if some of the charities will be Father Pfleger and Reverend Wright’s payment for staying out of the limelight until Barrack has convinced every one that his 20 years in learning to be black in that community was not the transformational process he bragged about in his book. After all, as the product of Ivy league schools (legacy and affirmative action points given) and an elite Hawaiian prep school, we all know exactly how he suffered a ‘black like me’ existence.
This gets me back to the dead-ender label. If you actually read PUMA blogs and follow those most active in forming the PUMA agenda, the focus is rapidly switching to Barrack’s shortcomings and the DNC subversion of the process. I think most of us are well-aware that Hillary’s been forced into sack cloth and ashes. Even CNN reported this week that she’s the FIRST EVER person defeated in the primary to actually support, campaign for, and travel with the presumed winner of the primary prior to the convention. Let’s not forget, Barrack pulled off a relatively insignificant lead in delegates. Let us also not forget, the delegate lead was based on some whacky formulation where Rhode Island wound up counting more than Pennsylvania and states, like Texas with its Two step, granted more electoral representation to relatively few voters attending caucuses than thousands and thousands more that turned up for primaries.
These PLUS the overwhelmingly bad treatment by the press for Hillary with the insipid silence of the DNC led to PUMA. Most PUMAs want to remain democratic. We are not a republican movement. We want the values of the Democratic Party. However, we will not sell out to people that set up rules that basically violate those values, and then be subjected to extortion with threats of Republican pre-occupation of misogyny and gay-baiting. The Democratic Party has not stood up for women and gay rights in an honest way for years. They have no right to black mail us now with further erosion of our rights when they have consistently backed away from fights with republicans on these very issues. Fights they could have easily won.
I hope the press continues its current fascination with the PUMA movement. I hope the PUMA movement continues to show that it’s not about being a Hillary dead-ender. It’s the DEMOCRACY stupid!!! Maybe, in that way, Anderson Cooper is correct. We are an insurgency fighting for our survival in country invaded by a party system interested in self-preservation and disinterested in doing what’s right.
i dissent
Posted: August 13, 2008 Filed under: No Obama | Tags: Denver Convention, Loyalty Oath, No Obama EVER 8 CommentsIf there was any false ideal that the folks sitting in the bleachers of Invesco Field were anything but the Hopium-addicted, this should abuse EVERY one of that notion.
Some potential attendees to Barack Obama’s big convention speech say they’re turned off by a demand from the campaign: Volunteer six hours to help the candidate if you want a chance to get seats.
Organizers for Obama’s Aug. 28 acceptance speech are expecting a crowd of some 75,000 supporters at Denver’s Invesco Field at Mile High. The Obama campaign says no one is being forced to volunteer for the campaign in order to put their name in the running to attend the event, according to The (Denver) Rocky Mountain News.
Let’s just assume the Obamanation doesn’t want any possibility of protests and chants of Hillary during the coronation ceremony. I’ve beginning to think my use of 1984 metaphors during this campaign was NOT over the top. Not only do we have Obama collecting folks unlisted cellphone numbers via a hyped announcement of VP pick media campaign, a Hitler Youth like movement that encourages young children to open their own Obama sites and attend trainings, we now have loyalty oath requirements to get a seat to see a supposedly democratically nominated candidates convention’s acceptance speak. What next? Tattoos for those of us that dissent?
No wonder Obama voted for FISA.










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