Sandy Hook Up Dates
Posted: December 16, 2012 Filed under: Gun Control | Tags: Assault rifles, gun control, NRA, Sandy Hook 49 Comments
The President will speak tonight in a memorial to the victims of the Sandy Hook Shooting. I thought I’d try to provide you a list of various articles and updates to read as we try to make sense of something senseless.
This moving article by Gary Wills in the New York Review of Books aligns the interests of the gun fetishists with the worship of Moloch a blood thirsty old testament god who was only appeased by the sacrifice of small children.
Read again those lines, with recent images seared into our brains—“besmeared with blood” and “parents’ tears.” They give the real meaning of what happened at Sandy Hook Elementary School Friday morning. That horror cannot be blamed just on one unhinged person. It was the sacrifice we as a culture made, and continually make, to our demonic god. We guarantee that crazed man after crazed man will have a flood of killing power readily supplied him. We have to make that offering, out of devotion to our Moloch, our god. The gun is our Moloch. We sacrifice children to him daily—sometimes, as at Sandy Hook, by directly throwing them into the fire-hose of bullets from our protected private killing machines, sometimes by blighting our children’s lives by the death of a parent, a schoolmate, a teacher, a protector. Sometimes this is done by mass killings (eight this year), sometimes by private offerings to the god (thousands this year).
The gun is not a mere tool, a bit of technology, a political issue, a point of debate. It is an object of reverence. Devotion to it precludes interruption with the sacrifices it entails. Like most gods, it does what it will, and cannot be questioned. Its acolytes think it is capable only of good things. It guarantees life and safety and freedom. It even guarantees law. Law grows from it. Then how can law question it?
Its power to do good is matched by its incapacity to do anything wrong. It cannot kill. Thwarting the god is what kills. If it seems to kill, that is only because the god’s bottomless appetite for death has not been adequately fed. The answer to problems caused by guns is more guns, millions of guns, guns everywhere, carried openly, carried secretly, in bars, in churches, in offices, in government buildings. Only the lack of guns can be a curse, not their beneficent omnipresence.
Senator Diane Feinstein announced her intention to introduce gun control legislation on the first day of Senate Business in 2013.
Democratic Senator Diane Feinstein said Sunday that she will introduce a new ban on assault weapons when the new Congress convenes next year, and she expects President Barack Obama to support it.
Appearing on Meet The Press in the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting that killed 26 on Friday, Feinstein, who sponsored the first federal ban on assault weapons which expired in 2004, said she is ready to push to reinstate it.
“It’s being done with care, it will be ready on the first day, I’ll be announcing House authors, and we’ll be prepared to go — and I hope the nation will be prepared to help,” she said.
State Police in Connecticut announced what we all knew and feared. The slaughter in Sandy Hook was caused by a military style semi-automatic assault rifle capable of showering those little bodies with hundreds of bullets in a matter of minutes. The shooter had hundreds of rounds and magazines.
Adam Lanza had hundreds of rounds and used multiple high capacity magazines when he went on a rampage at Sandy Hook Elementary School, killing 20 first graders and six adults, Connecticut State Police said today.
After shooting at victims in two classrooms and a hallway with a high-powered semi-automatic rifle, he put a bullet into his own head with a handgun.
“The weapon that was utilized most of the time during this horrific crime was identified as a Bushmaster AR-15 assault weapon,” Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance said. “The trajectory of the shots and all of the ammunition used in the horrible crime will be examined.”
Vance said three weapons were found at the scene, while a fourth, a shotgun, was recovered from Lanza’s vehicle.
Amid all the discussion, the NRA remains silent. Additionally, no pro gun rights senator would appear on MTP. Many folks believe that “The NRA’s Wayne LaPierre Has Blood on His Hands”.
There should be special place in hell reserved for LaPierre. He likes to fulminate about gun owners’ rights. But so far he’s has been silent on the nation’s most recent gun massacre.
The NRA not only lobbies on behalf of “stand your ground” laws, but also offers insurance to members to pay for the legal costs of shooting people in “self-defense.” The NRA also defends the right of Americans to carry concealed weapons, including handguns.
Adam Lanza—the 20-year old man who walked into the Connecticut school shot his victims with a semi-automatic Bushmaster rifle—is no doubt deranged. He’s not alone. There are lots of crazy people around. But if we make it easy for them to obtain guns, they are more likely to translate their psychological problems into dangerous and deadly anti-social behavior.
According to the Centers for Disease Control, in 2011 there were 15,953 murders in the United States and 11,101 (30 a day) were caused by firearms. Suicides and unintentional shootings account for another 20,000 deaths by guns each year. Of course, many more people are injured—some seriously and permanently—by gun violence.
Will we actually see the NRA’s death grip on Congress come to an end?
According to a 2011 Gallup survey, 47 percent of Americans own some kind of firearm, and the total number of nonmilitary guns in circulation exceeds 300 million. There are nearly 130,000 federally registered gun dealers across the country, three and a half times the number of grocery stores. Although the sales transacted by registered dealers are subject to the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System, which screens out buyers with disqualifying felony convictions or histories of confinement in mental institutions, 40 percent of gun sales are unregulated transactions made by private, unlicensed vendors, many at gun shows and conventions.
In other news ….
Posted: December 15, 2012 Filed under: open thread 19 Comments
There’s a few other headlines I’d like to share tonight on this open thread.
It seems that Senator Kerry will lull us to sleep the next four years as Secretary of State. Senators Graham and McCain must be very proud of themselves tonight.
President Barack Obama has chosen Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts to be the next secretary of state, a source has told Sun-Times columnist Michael Sneed.
His replacement as head of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee will be Sen. Robert Menendez of New Jersey, the Sneed source said.
This comes on the heels of Thursday’s announcement that U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice had removed herself from the list of candidates to take over from Hillary Clinton. Rice said that what was sure to be a contentious and lengthy approval process took attention away from more pressing problems facing the nation.
Results of the 2012 election continue to show exactly how much single women don’t like the GOP.
As Republicans dust off their Election Day drubbing last month, their party must confront the reality that the ranks of unmarried women are growing rapidly, and these voters overwhelmingly have backed Democrats for decades.
Women increasingly are graduating from college and joining the workforce, and postponing marriage. From 2000 to 2010, the number of unmarried women increased 18 percent, according to census data.
Republicans have spent the past month tallying up all their demographic weak spots, including with Hispanics and Asian-Americans. But some warn that single women, already one-quarter of the electorate, represent the most serious threat to the party’s viability.
“It’s a faster-growing demographic than most others,” said Kellyanne Conway, a Republican pollster. “That’s a cultural zeitgeist that demands a political response.”
In 1960, the average American woman married at age 20. Now it’s 27. That reflects, and is partly the cause of, a boom in solo living, with nearly one-third of all U.S. households comprised of single people living alone, according to Eric Klinenberg, a New York University sociologist and author of a book on the subject. In 1950, it was 9 percent.
Around the world, as women gain more education and earn more money, they increasingly are delaying marriage, said Stephanie Coontz, who teaches history and family studies at The Evergreen State College in Olympia, Wash., and is director of research for the Council on Contemporary Families. “Nowadays, women don’t feel so driven to get married because they can support themselves,” she said. “A lot of this is driven by women and a combination of lowering payoffs to just marrying any man and rising expectations” of what marriage will bring, she added.
Economist Dean Baker tells Amy Goodman of Democracy Now that the biggest lie about the current fiscal situation is the idea that we actually face a fiscal cliff.
DEAN BAKER: Well, there’s an endless number of myths, but the first and foremost is that we face any sort of cliff. You know, you’ve had this effort, certainly in Washington, to hype this December 31st deadline. Basically, if we miss that deadline, nothing happens. You know, you come to January 1st, we’ll be subject to higher tax withholding rates. Not a lot of us are going to get paid January 1st. If there’s a deal worked out somewhere in the first, second week of January, we’ll probably never see anything extra deducted from our paycheck, and even if we do, we’ll get it back in the second paycheck. I mean, no one wants to see money deducted out of their paycheck, but, you know, if you’re going to get it back in the second check—I mean, I know that will be a hardship for some people, but the impact on the economy will be pretty much minimal.
And on the spending side, President Obama controls—has enormous control over the pace of spending. And if there’s a deal outlined that—you know, outline of a deal that he sees with Congress, he’ll just keep spending in accordance with that deal. So this idea that, somehow, if we don’t get a deal by the end of the year, you know, we’re going to see the economy collapse, go into a recession, really that’s just totally dishonest. And I’ve seen that said I don’t know how many times. And it’s based—the basis for this is that we don’t have a deal all year. And the fact that you don’t have a deal December 31st does not mean you don’t get a deal by December 31st, 2013. And I think everyone knows that.
The American Right is fond of putting itself inside the minds of America’s Founders and intuiting what was their “original intent” in writing the U.S. Constitution and its early additions, like the Second Amendment’s “right to bear arms.” But, surely, James Madison and the others weren’t envisioning people with modern weapons mowing down children in a movie theater or a shopping mall or now a kindergarten.
Indeed, when the Second Amendment was passed in the First Congress as part of the Bill of Rights, firearms were single-shot mechanisms that took time to load and reload. It was also clear that Madison and the others viewed the “right to bear arms” in the context of “a well-regulated militia” to defend communities from massacres, not as a means to enable such massacres.
The Second Amendment reads: “A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” Thus, the point of the Second Amendment is to ensure “security,” not undermine it.
The massacre of 20 children in Newtown, Connecticut, on Friday, which followed other gun massacres in towns and cities across the country, represents the opposite of “security.” And it is time that Americans of all political persuasions recognize that protecting this kind of mass killing was not what the Founders had in mind.
I personally think that today’s “gun enthusiasts’ are really insurrectionists. I’ve been watching some interviews on MNBC with the sister in law of Nancy Lanza mother of the Connecticut Child Shooter. It appears she was preparing for the collapse of the economy. That was a root source of her gun “enthusiasm”. My biggest question isn’t how this happened, but why is some one allowed to leave guns around the house and buy an arsenal when you live with a person with developmental disorders and allegedly some kind of personality disorder? Why would a shooting range let a child with emotional and developmental issues shoot guns? You can see the video here.
As family and friends talk to national media, one answer to that question has emerged — Nancy Lanza was more than a “gun enthusiast,” she was “something of a survivalist” who bought guns because she “had been stockpiling” for the coming “economic collapse” ,,
I’m sure the FBI profilers have been finding some pretty interesting things in the computers in that house and I”m looking forward to finding out more about this.
Meanwhile, this is an open thread. I going to make myself a vodka martini as I think about what kind of crap the right wing will come up with to justify that kind of thinking that says training emotionally disturbed children is okay coupled with an easily accesible arsenal. This kid had the training to really do the damage he did and he even knew which of the weapons would do the most damage.
Investigators have linked Nancy Lanza to five weapons: two handguns, a semi-automatic rifle and two traditional hunting rifles. Her son took the two handguns and the semi-automatic rifle to the school. Law-enforcement officials said they believed the guns were acquired lawfully and registered.
Nancy Lanza is being described by a family member as a “survivalist,” and someone who owned a collection of guns.
My oldest child’s godfather is a hunter. It’s something his wife and I don’t understand but it’s part of his Fargo ND upbringing. We’ve been friends for about 30 years and both of them are just the sweetest people I know. We used to eat antelope stew a lot and backstrap steaks back in the day. Back when I didn’t hold Buddhist vows. It’s not my thing nor will it ever be. It’s something he does with his dad every year. I never saw his guns. They were always locked up in a hunting locker at some place that rented things like that. He only used them when he went hunting. As I said, if I found there were guns in a house, my kids were told to stay outside. I never took a chance that some enterprising child with an imagination would figure out a way to get at them. I’ve seen the statistics on accidents in homes with guns. I’ve really never known any one saved by owning a gun. Those numbers are minimal. I actually have to say that I’d rather not know any one that would rather kill some one then hand over junk and money. I frankly would die before I would take another life. But then, I’m a Buddhist and very much an outlier in this American Life. I now carry vows and one of them is to plead with people not to kill anything for me. Not a mosquito. Not an attacker. Not a source of food. But, that’s my choice and my vows. I just can’t fathom living with the idea of taking another life for trivial pursuits.
So, have a great night.
Saturday Reads
Posted: December 15, 2012 Filed under: children, Crime, Gun Control, Hillary Clinton, hunger, misogyny, morning reads, Rush Limbaugh, U.S. Economy, U.S. Politics | Tags: Bob Dylan, debt limit, Diane Brame, gun violence, Jacintha Saldanha, Mayors Against Illegal Guns, Mick Jagger, school shootings 20 CommentsGood Morning. It’s such a very sad day that I hardly know what to post. I’m still in shock about yesterday’s terrible shooting in Connecticut. How many more of these nightmarish events have to happen before our “leaders” in Washington finally decide to do something about controlling guns? How about completely banning all ammunition?
I’m just going to post a few reactions to the horror. I’m sure we’ll be learning much more about Adam Lanza and his possible motivations in the coming days. We’ll also learn if there are any courageous politicians left in the White House and Congress who will stand up the the National Rampage Association (NRA).
Raw Story: Gun control advocates gather near White House.
Gun control advocates gathered near the White House, many holding white candles, in a demonstration calling for a renewed discussion of gun control policy after a shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., left almost three dozen children and adults dead, reported the Associated Press. Multiple signs read “#TodayISTheDay,” a response to Press Secretary Jay Carney’s assertion that “today is not the day” to discuss gun control in the United States. However, the demonstrators made no specific appeals, reported Talking Points Memo.
“We can change the worst conditions of our country. Together we can change the pain into joy. Together we can change the sorrow into gladness,” said one demonstrator.
The speaker then called on everyone to hold their candles high so that everyone can see that “today is the day.”
Adam Gopnik at the New Yorker: Newtown and the madness of guns.
After the mass gun murders at Virginia Tech, I wrote about the unfathomable image of cell phones ringing in the pockets of the dead kids, and of the parents trying desperately to reach them. And I said (as did many others), This will go on, if no one stops it, in this manner and to this degree in this country alone—alone among all the industrialized, wealthy, and so-called civilized countries in the world. There would be another, for certain.
Then there were—many more, in fact—and when the latest and worst one happened, in Aurora, I (and many others) said, this time in a tone of despair, that nothing had changed. And I (and many others) predicted that it would happen again, soon. And that once again, the same twisted voices would say, Oh, this had nothing to do with gun laws or the misuse of the Second Amendment or anything except some singular madman, of whom America for some reason seems to have a particularly dense sample.
And now it has happened again, bang, like clockwork, one might say: Twenty dead children—babies, really—in a kindergarten in a prosperous town in Connecticut. And a mother screaming. And twenty families told that their grade-schooler had died. After the Aurora killings, I did a few debates with advocates for the child-killing lobby—sorry, the gun lobby—and, without exception and with a mad vehemence, they told the same old lies: it doesn’t happen here more often than elsewhere (yes, it does); more people are protected by guns than killed by them (no, they aren’t—that’s a flat-out fabrication); guns don’t kill people, people do; and all the other perverted lies that people who can only be called knowing accessories to murder continue to repeat, people who are in their own way every bit as twisted and crazy as the killers whom they defend. (That they are often the same people who pretend outrage at the loss of a single embryo only makes the craziness still crazier.)
So let’s state the plain facts one more time, so that they can’t be mistaken: Gun massacres have happened many times in many countries, and in every other country, gun laws have been tightened to reflect the tragedy and the tragic knowledge of its citizens afterward. In every other country, gun massacres have subsequently become rare. In America alone, gun massacres, most often of children, happen with hideous regularity, and they happen with hideous regularity because guns are hideously and regularly available.
Politicker: Message to President Obama from Mayors Against Gun Violence, “Offering condolences is not enough.” Statements of Co-Chairs Michael Bloomberg of NYC, and Thomas Menino of Boston:
Statement of Mayor’s Against Illegal Guns Co-Chair New York City Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg:
“With all the carnage from gun violence in our country, it’s still almost impossible to believe that a mass shooting in a kindergarten class could happen. It has come to that. Not even kindergarteners learning their A,B,Cs are safe. We heard after Columbine that it was too soon to talk about gun laws. We heard it after Virginia Tech. After Tucson and Aurora and Oak Creek. And now we are hearing it again. For every day we wait, 34 more people are murdered with guns. Today, many of them were five-year olds. President Obama rightly sent his heartfelt condolences to the families in Newtown. But the country needs him to send a bill to Congress to fix this problem. Calling for ‘meaningful action’ is not enough. We need immediate action. We have heard all the rhetoric before. What we have not seen is leadership – not from the White House and not from Congress. That must end today. This is a national tragedy and it demands a national response. My deepest sympathies are with the families of all those affected, and my determination to stop this madness is stronger than ever.”
Statement of Mayors Against Illegal Guns Co-Chair Boston Mayor Thomas M. Menino:
“As a parent and grandparent, I am overcome with both grief and outrage by the tragedy in Newtown, Connecticut. This unspeakable act of violence will forever imprint this day in our hearts and minds. My heart goes out to the families impacted by this senseless tragedy and the many others we have recently witnessed across the United States. As a Mayor who has witnessed too many lives forever altered by gun violence, it is my responsibility to fight for action. Today’s tragedy reminds us that now is the time for action. Innocent children will now never attend a prom, never play in a big game, never step foot on a college campus. Now is the time for a national policy on guns that takes the loopholes out of the laws, the automatic weapons out of our neighborhoods and the tragedies like today out of our future.”
I’m glad I live in a state that at least tries to control guns. In Massachusetts you have to apply for a license from your local police before you can apply to purchase a firearm. All firearms must have trigger locks and must be stored unloaded in locked containers. If you are caught with an unlicensed gun, you go directly to jail for a mandatory two-year sentence. See the links above for more.
Now a few more reads on other subjects.
School cafeteria worker fired for feeding needy student.
For two years, Dianne Brame worked as a cafeteria manager at Hudson Elementary in Webster Groves, keeping kids’ bellies full for their all-important task of learning.
The lunch lady loved her job: “I knew kids by their names, I knew their likes and dislikes, so it was just fun.”
But recently, she came across a fourth grader who consistently came without money. She says he used to be on the free lunch program, but language barriers got in the way of reapplying: “I sent them paperwork so that they could get back in contact with me, but it didn’t happen,” she says.
For days, Brame snuck the boy lunches. She explains, “I let his account get over $45 which I’m only supposed to let it get over $10, and I started letting him come through my lunch line without putting his number in, and they look at that as stealing. I thought it was just taking care of a kid.”
There’s an update to the story: “Dianne Brame has been rehired by Hudson Elementary following the huge response from this story.”
Center for American Progress: The ‘Debt Limit’: Time to End 95 Years of False Labeling
Congress and the White House have struggled over what has wrongly been called the “debt limit” since 1917, when a cap on the Treasury Department’s borrowing authority was inserted into legislation permitting “Liberty Bonds” to be sold to support U.S. military operations in Europe during World War I. A country that wants to maintain a reputation of paying its bills must recognize that debts are incurred when goods and services are purchased, not on the basis of whether or not the country wants to borrow the money needed to pay for those purchases.
The vote on what we have wrongly referred to for these many years as the “debt limit” is not a vote on how much we will spend or how much revenue we will raise to cover that spending: Those decisions are generally made by Congress months, and in many instances, even years before the extra borrowing authority is needed.
Each spring Congress deals with a budget resolution—setting targets for spending, revenues, and indebtedness. That legislation caps the amount of money that can be appropriated and prescribes what changes are needed in permanent spending legislation such as entitlements and whether we should raise or lower taxes to pay for those spending decisions. That resolution contains specific language stating what those decisions will mean in terms of the annual budget deficit and the change that will take place in the public debt.
Congress then considers the specific appropriation bills, entitlement changes, and tax legislation to implement the plan and determine the size of the debt. The vote on the so-called debt ceiling occurs long after those decisions are made. It is not a vote on how much we will spend or whether we will raise the money to pay for it but rather a vote on whether we will pay our bills. Voting against raising the debt limit is sort of like being the guy who turns down opportunities to work overtime so that he can spend more time at the movies, only to decide when his credit card bill arrives that he needs to correct his profligate ways by refusing to pay it.
Much more at the link.
Here’s a must read from Andrew Sullivan: The Unreason of Antonin Scalia. I’m not going to excerpt from it–you need to read the whole thing.
A few more reads, link dump-style.
The Independent: Jacintha Saldanha: Suicide note criticising senior hospital staff found among possessions of nurse at centre of Duchess of Cambridge phone call hoax
The Guardian: Hospital defends treatment of Jacintha Saldanha
Media Matters: Limbaugh Delivers Sexist Remark About Making A “Real Woman” Out Of Hillary Clinton
Last but not least, from Rolling Stone: How Mick Jagger Learned to Dance – By His Brother, Chris Jagger
I’m heading back to the Boston area today, so I’ll be on the road the next couple of days. I’ll check in when I can. I hope everyone has a peaceful, restful weekend.
Today is the DAY to talk about NOTHING but GUN CONTROL
Posted: December 14, 2012 Filed under: Gun Control 46 CommentsI just got back from making groceries and vodka at Rouses by the Lake. The check out lines were one big conversation about the Elementary School Massacre. Can any one imagine this happening in any other country but ours?
There have been six mass shootings in 2012 and a record number of casualties.
Today’s massacre claimed the lives of 20 children under the age of 10 and 6 teachers.
We must talk about gun control.
A society that can’t come to terms with even, really, talking about gun control in any reasonable way that doesn’t devolve into anger and name-calling and semi-apologies. A society that blames the timing in which we open up these discussions. People who “politicize” such matters, and people who fail to when they should. The shooter himself. The choices are endless and they all get their time in the blame spiral, because it’s really hard to know what to do with all of that dark awfulness. But blame doesn’t really help us cope, not in the long-term, and it certainly doesn’t help us fix things. Just look at the news.
Responding to reports of the Newtown school shooting, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said President Obama is watching the news “as a father” and that there will be a day in which we review the nation’s gun control policy, but “today is not that day.” So when is the right time to talk about gun control, or about gun violence, or about what caused the deaths of, according to the latest reports, more than 18 kids today? Because we keep putting it off, just getting angry at each other, pushing further into our little corners and defending things we think we know: If we feel that gun ownership laws in this country are part of the problem, we say lax gun control clearly led to this horrific event in a town thought by its residents to be “the safest place in America.” If we think people should have the right to own guns with minimal constraints, we say that guns don’t kill people, people kill people. And this is why we have to talk—really talk—about gun control: It’s not deniable that guns make it easier for people who want to kill people in large numbers to do so, and, for the record, the gun used by the suspect, a .223 calibre rifle, is currently legal—though it’s hard to imagine a good purpose for it being legal, the NRA has fought to keep it that way. It’s also undeniable, inherent to their very existence, that guns do make for a shift in any power dynamic: Why would one who defends gun ownership bother to defend his right to own guns unless it did in fact put him in position of control over someone who doesn’t have one, or make him “equal” to someone who does? And yet, sure, having stringent gun control laws—or, in a dream world, no guns at all—doesn’t mean people won’t kill people. It does, however, mean that fewer people will be able to easily acquire guns with which to kill people. How many scenes like today’s photo of bawling children being led to safety do we need before we can come together and say that that would be a good thing, that something really does have to change? If we can’t fix humanity, if we can’t make all people good, can we at least make it harder for people who want to do harm to kill? Can we talk about this without reverting to name-calling and aggression toward each other that a therapist might say stands in for how we feel about this shooter and what he’s done? Can we talk about this now? And if we can’t, why can’t we? Why haven’t we already?
The answer is the NRA and a group of privileged, rich white men who love their toys.
@TheReidReport The conversation I’m hearing today is exactly what it was over 20 years ago. Absolutely nothing has changed, sadly.
How much innocent blood does the NRA need exactly?
How many people will have to die before the NRA and the politicians they control do what most sane people understand has to be done? I have been asking this question for years. Will it be around thirty as appears to be the number in this most recent shooting? Or will it require the massacre of two or three hundred people, or a thousand? Given the right (or rather, wrong) circumstances and the right (wrong) weaponry, this last number is not impossible at all.
What is most tragic about this is that sensible gun legislation WILL happen, it is only a question of how many people have to die before the NRA drags itself into the modern world, and how long it takes the public to insist that politicians bullied into submission by financial pressures that should not exist in a democracy do something about it.
Incredibly, I have already heard people say that this could have been prevented if someone at the school had been armed. What kind of a country do we want to live in? One where teachers are forced to have guns in holsters under their jackets (the least that would be necessary) as they read Thomas the Tank Engine, where the principal has an automatic rifle leaning against his desk? OR a country where these insanely lethal guns are banned?
If it is the former, freedoms far more essential than those guaranteed by the Second Amendment will eventually be lost. Why stop at schools? Shouldn’t every doctor or waiter or ticket seller or bus driver – anyone working in a crowded environment – be forced to carry guns? But do you really want to go to the movies and see a submachine gun leaning against the seat in front of your, or see the guy downing a bottle of wine at the next table, fumble with his pistol? The prospect is terrifying, and in the end would lead to a country living in hiding, ordering life online rather than living it.
I have never met a single person from Europe who feels their freedom is curtailed by not having access to high-powered weaponry designed to kill large numbers of people. I have never met anyone who has lived in a country where the fear of getting shot is almost non-existent who would rather live in a country where they need heavy arms to feel safe, where a civilian arms race is taking place already.
It seems like the victims of spree killers are all asking for something to be done.
Statement from Mark
@ShuttleCDRKelly, husband of former Rep@GabbyGiffords: “As we mourn, we must sound a call for our leaders to stand up..
Exactly where is the “well regulated militia” also mentioned in the second amendment?
CAN we PLEASE TALK GUN CONTROL NOW!?!?!?!
Posted: December 14, 2012 Filed under: Breaking News 84 CommentsIt appears that 27 people–mostly children–are dead this morning from what only can be called a gun massacre. The shooter was a 24 year old white man. The shooting occurred at an Elementary School so the victims are mostly under 10 years old. There is a news conference that is scheduled shortly. The President is being updated. The news conference will include the governor of Connecticut. The community of Newtown is considered a sleepy burb with very little issues.
This is the latest: 26 KILLED, INCLUDING 18 KIDS, IN CONN. SCHOOL SHOOTING: OFFICIAL.
MORE THAN 12 DEAD –including Children–at a middle school shoot out.
More than a dozen people, including children, were killed in a shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, Friday morning.
The exact number of deaths is unknown, but officials are speculating that “at least 12” may be a conservative estimate. The shooter, who police say is likely a parent of a student who may have had a confrontation with the principal, is said to be among the fatalities.
Just in case you do not know how I feel about this you can check out my post form the last shoot out that occurred in a public place:
The NRA’s Deadly Legacy: Mass Shootings are “Commonplace” with “Ritualized” Responses.
Just to remind you how common these young white male shoot outs are:
A Guide to Mass Shootings in America
There have been at least 61 in the last 30 years—and most of the killers got their guns legally.
You can listen to local live coverage at the the link to this story at top. The shooter is dead. The shooter was a 20 year old male. Many parents are still unaware of their children’s status.
From CNN:
Children and adults gunned down in Connecticut school massacre
Update: 18 Children dead and 25-27 total dead. The Number is Rising.
From NBC:
At least 24 people were killed, including at least 17 children, when a gunman opened fire in a Connecticut elementary school Friday morning, a law enforcement official said. The alleged gunman, a 20-year-old male, was later found dead at the school.
The incident sent crying children spilling into the school parking lot as frightened parents waited for word on their loved ones.
“I was in the gym and I heard a loud, like seven loud booms, and the gym teachers told us to go in the corner, so we all huddled,” one student at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown told NBC Connecticut during its live broadcast. “And I kept hearing these booming noises. And we all … started crying.
“All the gym teachers told us to go into the office where no one could find us,” she added. “So then a police officer came in and told us to run outside. So we did and we came in the firehouse and waited for our parents.”
Two 9mm handguns were recovered from the scene, an official told WNBC’s Jonathan Dienst.
This post will be updated frequently.
update: One of the Sandy Hook gunmen was a 24-year-old wearing a bulletproof vest and carrying four guns http://slnm.us/Zgklguv
I just texted I love you to both my Eggs with Legs. The thought that you could just drop your kids off at their local elementary school and have some crazy asshole walk in and slaughter them just has me in the Tear Zone. I always thought it likelier to happen to me on a campus. I guess it just goes to show how much guns, anger, testosterone, and right wing angst still rule our country. You have one major political party continually making bad guys out of public schools and teachers and eventually some one feels justified to go off on them.







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