Norwegian Terrorist: Extremist Christian and Right Winger

You’re probably reading right now that around 90+ teenagers were gunned down in Norway simply for attending a labor party

Anders Behring Breivik

summer camp. If you made the rounds on some blogs yesterday as well as some main stream media sites, you’d have read some of the most blatantly hateful comments on Muslims that you could ever imagine.  The immediate assumption was this was an attack by Islamic extremists.  Frankly, many places read like it was an attack by a random Muslim.

Turns out that the Norwegian Terrorist is a fundamentalist Christian who admires infamous hate mongers and enemies of our liberties as spelled out in the US constitution Pam Geller of Atlas Shrugs and Robert Spencer of  Jihad Watch.  I’ve read some of Breivik’s prolific internet writings now. He praises Lou Dobbs and criticizes CNN for telling him to tone down his rants dealing with Muslims.  He also likes to call every one Marxists at the drop of the hat; especially the press and academics.  Additionally, he thinks Christians need to go back to the basics and stop helping poor Palestinians.  Sound like any one you may know?

What I’d like to know is if we’re going to put those folks into indefinite detention now and subject them to enhanced interrogation by the CIA to determine the extent to which they were complicit (or not) in this terrorist attack?  Perhaps Rick Perry and his friends should be sent to Guantanamo so we all can feel safe.  I’m just waiting for New York Congressman Peter King to hold hearings on the radicalization of Nordic Americans.  Perhaps some people should start protesting the building of anything related to Freemasons especially near shops that sell herring.  Is that something Herman Cain is willing to take up?  Oh, wait, he’s probably one of them.  Off to Guantanamo for him and Michelle Bachmann.   These are just the application of the same prescriptions these people were applying to the wrong “goatfuckers” yesterday when the assumption was that it was an attack by an Islamic extremist rather than a Christian one.

Many bloggers and reporters without preconceived hatreds have been busy trying to find out the political leanings of mass murderer and domestic terrorist Anders Behring Breivik before the Freemasons and other interested parties–like Pam Geller–can scrub their sites. Here is a taste via the LGF link above to Doug Saunders whose Norwegian friend spent some time collecting and translating Breivik’s internet spew and has placed documents here.  They read like a manifesto against “multiculturalism”, Marxist professors and media, and Muslims found all around this country in Talk Radio, Republican Presidential Speeches, and right wing blog sites. Try this Breivik confession on for size.

I myself am a Protestant and baptized / confirmed to me by my own free will when I was 15. But today’s Protestant church is a joke. Priests in jeans who march for Palestine and churches that look like the minimalist shopping centers. I am a supporter of an indirect collective conversion of the Protestant church back to the Catholic. In the meantime, I vote for the most conservative candidates in church elections.The only thing that can save the Protestant church is to go back to basics.

This is one rant that I found particularly recognizable from the American Right Wing and the extreme Christian right.

The problem is that it often does not help about 80% of Muslims are “moderates”, ie they ignore the Quran. “It takes very few people to overthrow a plane.

“What percentage is the Taliban of Pakistan’s population? 1%, 3%, 5%? And how much chaosis there today?In every society where Islam exists there will be a certain percentage of the Muslims who actually follow the traditional interpretations of the Koran.And then we have the relationship between conservative Muslims and so-called “moderateMuslims”.

There is moderate Nazis, too, that does not support fumigation of rooms and Jews. But they’restill Nazis and will only sit and watch as the conservatives Nazis strike (if it ever happens). If we accept the moderate Nazis as long as they distance themselves from the fumigation of rooms and Jews?

Now it unfortunately already cut himself with Marxists who have already infiltrated-culture,media and educational organizations. These individuals will be tolerated and will even work as professors and lecturers at colleges/universities and are thus able to spread their propaganda.For me it is very hypocritical to treat Muslims, Nazis and Marxists differ.They are alls upporters of hate-ideologies.

Not all Muslims, Nazis and Marxists are conservative, most are moderate. But does it matter? A moderate Nazi might, after having experienced fraud, choose to be conservative. A moderate Muslim can, after being refused to enter a club, be conservative,etc.It is obvious that the moderate supporters of hate-ideologies, at a later date may choose conservatism.

Islam (ism) has historically led to 300 million deaths

Communism has historically led to 100 million deaths

Nazism has historically led to 6-20 million deaths. ALL hate ideologies should be treated equally

Here’s an insightful comment gleaned by Sergey Romanov at the LGF link above showing that readers in the US that hang out at places like Pam Geller’s sight or Jihad Watch really agree with the Norwegian Terrorist.  This shows we undoubtedly have that problem brewing here.

One of them writes (sorry, won’t link; h/t: oslogin):

There is very little that he said that I would disagree with. It is clear that he is a Counterjihadist and visits the same sites that most of us do, Gates of Vienna, Jihadwatch, Atlas Shrugs, etc. He also follows political developments in Britain and reads the Telegraph and Daily Mail. The revelation of the Labour government’s conspiracy to flood the country with immigrants to “rub the right’s nose in diversity” was of great interest to him. I’m sure the bien-pensants in the British left will now want to reflect soberly on the folly of pushing people too far.What emerges very clearly from the comments is that he harbours resentment against the mainstream media for pushing a culturally Marxist agenda and covering up Muslim wrong-doing and the negative effects of mass immigration and multiculturalism in Europe generally. This applies especially in Norway, where he felt that the politically correct agenda was completely unchallenged by the mainstream press. This may explain the attack on the VG newspaper’s offices. In some of the comments, he discussed setting up a Norwegian media organisation with a culturally conservative focus.

The Guardian has gleaned through these documents and interviewed childhood friends of Anders Behring Breivik. Here is their latest profile.

A friend told the Norwegian newspaper VG that Breivik had been from the far right politically since at least his late twenties, when he began posting a series of controversial opinions on Facebook and the Norwegian site, which is critical of Islam.

What has emerged so far paints a disturbing picture: a Christian fundamentalist with a deep hatred of multiculturalism, of the left and of Muslims, who had written disparagingly of prominent Norwegian politicians.

Raised in Oslo, he is reported to have attended the same Smestad primary school as Norway’s crown prince, later attending schools in Oslo’s Gaustad and the Handelsgymnasium. Writing later about his teenage years, he would describe racial tension between Norwegians and young immigrants.

Another significant event was being baptised into the Protestant church of “his own free will” at the age of 15. More recently, however, he had expressed his disgust at his own church. “Today’s Protestant church is a joke,” he wrote in an online post in 2009. “Priests in jeans who march for Palestine and churches that look like minimalist shopping centres. I am a supporter of an indirect collective conversion of the Protestant church back to the Catholic.”

He was a fan of violent video games and former neighbours said he had sometimes been seen in “military-style” clothing. In the pictures that have so far emerged, Breivik appears well dressed, slender and clean shaven, a picture of the young entrepreneur he wanted to be. His businesses, however, were not much of a success, each one being dissolved after a short while after making a loss, until he established his farm business in 2009 and moved out of Oslo.

The purpose of his businesses, as Breivik admitted in one posting, was in any case to support his political activities.

But the man who listed Kafka and George Orwell’s 1984 as his favourite books on Facebook made little secret to friends and others who frequented Christian fundamentalist and far-right websites of his racist views. A member of an Oslo Masonic lodge, reportedly a body builder and a hunter with two registered weapons – a Glock pistol and an automatic rifle – it has been Breivik’s online profile that has, so far supplied the most public information.

He was a former “youth member” of his country’s conservative Progress party between 1999 and 2004, a party he criticised in one posting for embracing “multiculturalism” and “political correctness” rather than taking an “idealistic stand”.

My question to you is how many “mainstream” Republican politicians, right wing talk shows, and posters on sites that you may frequent say the same kind of stuff?  I went yesterday to post a simple cat story on a friendly site and found similar hate mongering that could have come straight from this terrorist’s postings. How many neighbors do you know that hold similar views and have no problems venting them?  Hopefully, this should scare some people into realizing the extent to which all hatred, anger, and extremism turns many people into the worst examples of humankind.  My prayer is that we don’t see copy cats here.  I doubt it will change Pam Geller at all–here’s a nasty link to prove that–but I’m looking forward to watching her dance her way to a rationalization with the rest of her ilk.  Then there’s Herman Cain.  I also imagine he’s gotta have a doozy of an explanation up his blue serge sleeve for this Christian Cultural Conservative.

Oh, and just in case you have any doubt that he’s part of the Christian Cultural Conservative Movement, read this! We’re considered cultural Marxists or “Kulturmarxistene” so let’s join hands and sing the Internationale.

Kulturmarxistene managed to bargain crucial popular platforms that secured them victory:
Sexual Liberation (weakening of the church / morals / patriarchy / nuclear family / birth rates)
Feminism – positive and negative effects (weakening of the church / patriarchy / nuclearfamily / birth rates)
Rights of workers – positive aspects- Drug / alcohol / party of liberation (weakening of the nuclear family / moral / birth rates)
Multi-Cultural – sold in as the introduction of exciting offers / food / experiences (negativeaspects: mass immigration, Islam, ghettofication-> enklavisering, crime-murder / rape /robbery / violence, weakening of the identity / culture / unit / nation etc.. )
Too much of these elements (with a few exceptions) will help to draw us towards a Marxist utopia (chaos). The only pragmatic we can do is work on cultural conservative consolidation in the next10/20/30/40 year so that we can avail ourselves of the window that will surely open up (FjordMan scenario.)

98% of all Norwegian journalists are now cultural Marxists / multiculturalists / politically correct (or sympathize).The problem is that the fundamental institutions in Norway as for example, Volda University College (School of Journalism) and University of Oslo has been infiltrated already several decades ago (and most other schools for that matter). These are today indoktrineringsleire forfuture generations of the cultural Marxists / multiculturalists / politically correct.

This was obviously not last year. The cultural Marxists have had the opportunity (when the APnever punished / imprisoned them) to infiltrate our institutions since 1945. In 1968, the first”litter” indoctrinated with Marxists are ready to implement their doctrines. The results we seetoday.I have no idea how we are to reverse this. It seems as if Islam can actually solve this problem for us in the course of 30-70 years, when the cultural Marxists will soon lose control over these forces.I’ve always wondered, there was no cultural conservative intellectual and / or grass roots options in 1968? One can see forever the cultural Marxists demonstrating in the streets of the images in1968-1972, but where was the cultural-conservative forces?

Again, sound like any Republican Presidential Candidates, Radio Talk Show hosts, and bloggers you know?

45 Comments on “Norwegian Terrorist: Extremist Christian and Right Winger”

  1. bostonboomer says:

    I’m just waiting for New York Congressman Peter King to hold hearings on the radicalization of Nordic Americans. Perhaps some people should start protesting the building of anything related to Freemasons especially near shops that sell herring.

    You’re on fire today Dak!!

    • dakinikat says:

      I read nasty stuff yesterday when it was assumed with no evidence this was some kind of Muslim plot. This morning I read this asshole’s writings and I’m reading how much money he contributed to US and Austrian hate sites. It’s enough to fire up any rational human being with an ounce of compassion.

    • dakinikat says:

      Larry Johnson at No Quarter has just written a similar piece with some interesting juxtapositions:

      In light of yesterday’s attacks in Oslo, Norway is it time to add fundamentalist Christians to the list of terrorist threats? If we apply the same standard to Christians that folks like Herman Cain use on Muslims then the answer is yes.

      • Peggy Sue says:

        Yes, Johnson took a reasoned approach to the kneejerk scapegoating that too many people resort to whenever there’s a story like this one. To be honest, I’ve read some vile anti-Muslim slurs from posters at NQ. Not from Johnson himself but from the regular community. Johnson put it out there, posed the question–now that the identidy of the shooter/terrorist is known–and turned the table. Are we now right to rant and rave and call all fundamentalist Christians the scourge of the earth, dogs not worth spit or a treasonous blight on all things good and decent?

        He’s catching some flack for merely posing the question. But several days ago, he came down hard on Cain for bigotry, Bachmann for her lack of credentials and Perry, who he claims is dumber than a pile of rocks, equaling only GW’s amazing stature.

        At one time I was a regular at NQ. Not so much anymore but I give Larry Johnson kudos on this topic and how he handled it.

  2. bluelady says:

    Irregardless of his ideology, I hope he gets the death penalty-if Norway doesn’t have one, perhaps they will make an exception for this truly evil person. I feel sick over what he has done.

    • dakinikat says:

      I’d like to reopen Devil’s island and dump people like him and then child rapists on it. Basically make sure no one ever gets off of the island. Then just drop supplies on to it. Let the Lord of the Flies scenario sort them all out.

  3. Beata says:

    I first I learned about the Norway attacks on a Sky Dancing post which included a reference to Jihad and this link:

    I admit that I don’t follow stories like this one very much. They are too sad. I didn’t read or watch anything about the murder trial of the Casey woman either. I guess I am kind of out of it. I spend a lot of time worrying about cuts to food stamps and Medicaid.

    • dakinikat says:

      Yup, it seems every one jumps to these conclusions these days including the MSM which we frequently quote. I’m just glad that sky dancing readers didn’t make hateful comments. I’m sure that a lot of hateful comments are going to keep coming out of this from every side in the days that follow. Don’t follow the links to his manifesto unless you want a brain filed with it. Hate just comes in many forms, doesn’t it?

    • bostonboomer says:

      I don’t think you’re out of it, Beata. But then, I guess I’m a little out of it too.

    • Minkoff Minx says:

      Beata, I wrote that post and put the link to the CBS site at the end because it went against all the other news being reported, that it was a lone gunman and he was not Muslim. It seemed strange to me that news here in the states still had the attack as a Jihad Group, but over in Europe it was clear this was not the case. I should have made it more clear, but that was why I put the news that it was a lone gunman up top at the beginning of the post.

      I just posted the news as it was being reported…and described it as a terrorist attack, with my thought process along the lines of singular terrorist…not a group.

      And by using the word terrorist, not Muslim terrorist because I felt the news coming about Jihad was wrong. I mean even the New York Times had sited this Muslim group in its reports.

      When I wrote that post, I guess my mind was thinking and moving faster ahead then my writing. I am sorry if the impression was given that I agreed with the stuff the US main stream media was reporting. Honestly, that was why I only mentioned the Jihad at the end…and used the phrase “however” to introduce that CBS article. I want to also add that both the CBS article about the Group Jihad and the Guardian reports about the lone gunman were published around the same time. The New York Times post about the Jihad group was a little older than the CBS one, and that was why I did not post the link to the NYT one. Which also made me question the CBS report…in that the MSM here was still pushing the Muslim angle.

  4. Branjor says:

    People always think Islamic terrorism right off the bat when something happens. I think it’s because most Americans haven’t grown up with Muslims and don’t know any Muslims so Muslims are an unknown quantity to them and the blanks are filled in with evil, demonic imaginings. I remember when the plane crashed off of Long Island some years back that’s what some of my coworkers were sure of and they pooh poohed me when I said we didn’t know yet why it happened; maybe it was a mechanical problem. Turns out it was a mechanical problem.
    I don’t read hate sites, but I remember reading part of the anti-technology rants of one Ted Kaczinski (the Unabomber) years ago and I actually agreed with what he said, but there’s no way I am going to do the things he did because of it.

  5. foxyladi14 says:

    there is good and bad in everything everywhere.. 🙂

  6. dakinikat says:

    from the same document from the US-based Institute for Research & Education on Human Rights, a human rights group that tracks the far right in the US and abroad which I quoted above but from Mojo article:

    And this fellow accused of killing scores at a youth camp claims to be concerned for the youth of Norway:

    I dare not even think of how many Norwegian children who have been suicide because of these experiences (assault, robbery, rape, psychological terror committed by Muslim youths). There are probably several hundred in the last 15 years.

    ….Non-Muslim youth in Oslo aged 12-18 are in a particularly vulnerable situation in terms of harassment [from] Muslim youth.

    very disturbing.

    oh, I’ve also read that Norway has fairly liberal guns laws for Europe for those of you that might be interested. BB had asked me earlier about this and I looked it up just because I was not aware of the laws. They have a hunting culture there so I assumed that it would me fairly liberal gun laws and that’s given as the reason. It will be interesting to see how they respond to this.

  7. dakinikat says:

    Empty wheel on Self righteous bigot Eric Ericson of Red State. Some one who should be removed from CNN permanently.

  8. Nate says:

    The paradox here is that every journalist was trashing Islam up until they heard about Anders crime. Now everyone is jumping to defend multiculturalism and a diverse society with Muslims in it.
    Does anyone else see the insanity here? It’s like anyone who is opposed to aggressive immigration policies has suddenly sided with a terrorist(and terrorism is a political tactical-only connected with Islam b/c recent history),when just yesterday the people doing the accusations were saying things that Anders could’ve said.

    • dakinikat says:

      That’s the TV ratings game and the day and age of reporters and news pundits putting out things continually just off the top of their heads. They just float on the top of the stream of media consciousness chattering on about whatever fills the air time and the dead space. The print media does the same now with the internet. They can’t just put out the breaking news cable from reuters or the AP they have to blather speculation to act like they are value-added.

  9. northwestrain says:

    I tend to wait for more information — like the identity of the bomber.

    Way back when the Oklahoma Federal building was bombed — first group blamed — yep a repeat of yesterday.

    Then there was the Atlanta Olympic bombing — Richard Jewel was blamed — some “psychologist” was interviewed and the guy tared and feathered Richard Jewel. For the record Richard Jewel was the HERO.

    Both of the bombings above were by religious fundamentalists — home grown terrorists.

    Yesterday there were so many postings by gas bags — along the lines of blame anyone but the real rot — the extreme right — the fundamentalist crazies.

    The end of the world crazies are worked up right now — they didn’t get raptured.

    In the 1980s the religious right started to take over the Republican party in Washington State — so I’ve had a front row seat — watching the hate grow. These folks feel the need to bring about the “end times”.

    And so it goes . . .

    dakinikat — you were great yesterday. Once the idiot was identified you posted on several blogs besides this one about the official identity of the bomber/assassin. I think I read your correct information here first!!!!!!!!!!!

    Good work!

    • dakinikat says:

      I think it’s important not to develop a mob mentality. Thank you. We try to keep people up to date on links for breaking news but we try to avoid the mob mentality.

      • northwestrain says:

        Some fundamentalists can be dangerous — and they go under the radar.

        It is the extreme fundamentalist Christians — generally right wing evangelicals who are terrorizing Women’s health clinics — and are supported by the nut jobs in Government.These extremist are getting their motivation from the preachers.

        Stupak is a terrorist — he supports hatred toward women. He is of the class that does the talking and gives the fundamentalists right wings nut jobs the justification & motivation for what they do.

        Again not all Christians are extremists and not all fundamentalists — just a tiny tiny minority.

        • dakinikat says:

          What drives me the most crazy is that if you write about christian extremists it’s about christian extremists, not all christians, but most christians get offended and say there’s no extremists and we condemn any one who does something nasty and they’re not real christians, If you’re a christian and you don’t like being lumped in with extremists, why do you think most muslims would think any differently? But some how, there are christians that say it’s the religion of peace so there’s no extremists but when muslims say its a religion of peace, they point to extremists and say it applies to all of them. It’s like that old thing about the speck in some one else’s eye when there’s a plank in yours.

      • northwestrain says:

        Exactly — I re-wrote that several times — because any time one writes “Christian” — along with any thing remotely negative — we set ourselves up for Christian propaganda.

        I don’t think the mythical person called Jesus would want to associate with the folks who call themselves Christians.

        Right now the Christians are clutching their pearls and grabbing their skirts — getting ready to run away. (If they get raptured do they realize that they go “up there” nude and without their pearls?)

      • northwestrain says:

        Stupak is a mainstream Christian type terrorist.

  10. okasha says:

    Odd that this guy belongs to a Masonic lodge. Most Masons are the most benign guys you can imagine, not into much but charity work. (Though the Mexican lodges do tend to be a bit more leftishly political.) The majority of right-wingy-dingies tend to consider Masons harbingers of the New World Order with ties to the evil Secret Masters of the Universe (translation: Jews) if not the devil himself.

    • dakinikat says:

      There’s some rumor he set up some kind of Knights Templar site but since it’s just a rumor at this point I didn’t put anything here about it. He seems to have some odd idea of the crusades.

      • okasha says:

        Do you have a link to that, dak? The historical Knights are something of an interest of mine, but there seems to be a growing number of nutbag organizations–including a new Mexican drug cartel–that are using the name.

      • dakinikat says:

        It’s down towards the end of this comment thread. I put it up once the Norway MSM started displaying it.

  11. dakinikat says:

    AlterNet AlterNet
    Koch-Funded Tea Party Heavyweight Tim Phillips Spoke at Norwegian Killer’s Political Party Event

    • dakinikat says:

      Christian Jihad? Why We Should Worry About Right-Wing Terror Attacks Like Norway’s in the US

      There is a growing movement in America that equates godliness with hatred of our government in fact hatred of our country as fallen and evil because we allow women choice, gays to marry, have a social safety net, and allow immigration from other cultures and non-white races.

      • Branjor says:

        From the article:

        There is a growing movement in America that equates godliness with hatred of our government in fact hatred of our country as fallen and evil because we allow women choice, gays to marry, have a social safety net, and allow immigration from other cultures and non-white races.

        I have been thinking about this lately. Everything I believe in, everything I stand for, everything I am, is so hated by these people that some will even kill because of it. Never mind endlessly oppress because of it. No wonder I’ve had a hard time in life. Not only me, of course.

      • northwestrain says:

        The author knows what he’s talking about. He is speaking as someone who knows the inside of these cult like religions. I also was raised in one of the fundamentalist churches — but abandoned that religion when I was in college. I did a tremendous amount of research into religiosity and personality.

        One of the key beliefs of the fundamentalists is their hatred of women. All of them are rules by males and these males preach endless sermons about evil women.

        However, women will score highest on religious devotion and “faith” scales. The objects of hate internalize these hate religious cults.

        The time has come to stop giving Christians a free ride. They bear responsibility for the religiously insane that they attract.

    • northwestrain says:

      Reminds me of “the Family” version of the Christian right (they minister to the rich & famous) exporting their brand of hate to Africa. So this means that homosexuals are are the hit list hate parade. Uganda is the country. One really good documentary done in country — and interviews with US religious right and that country’s religious right. One can clearly see where the hate comes from.

      Of course this is the very same country that also has a primitive religion — where children are sacrificed by the wealthy. BBC has details of this belief and the trafficking in children by the “witches”. (I hate to use that word to describe the nuts in Uganda and elsewhere.)

      My theory is that religiously insane humans are drawn to extreme religions. Only a tiny fraction of the human population is religiously insane.

  12. dakinikat says:

    Norway Suspect Admits to Attacks

    Anders Behring Breivik has admitted to his crimes, according to his lawyer. He has also told police the circumstances of the killings. Police called the attacks acts of terrorism, which are punishable by up to 21 years in prison in Norway. Hours before the attacks, Breivik released a YouTube video in which he called on conservatives to “embrace martyrdom.” The death toll from the attacks may rise to 98.

    • Branjor says:

      Norway’s prisons are nice, humane places, even for murderers. I wonder if he’ll get that kind of prison sentence or if he’ll be treated as a special case, more punitively.

    • JeanLouise says:

      Twenty-one years? This must be an error. I know that Norway does not have the death penalty but surely life in prison with no parole is an alternative in their justice system.

      • okasha says:

        Depends on how they calculate it. 21 x 90+ counts ought to be enough to keep him in jail through his next twenty incarnations.

  13. anti multi. says:

    always seen myself as a supporter of muliticultularism. now as i get older ,i see that its doesnt always work. do people want to go to other countries just to find that they feel like theve never left there homeland. there should be a cut off point of say 20% immagrants in countries to retain there identities as well as stopping the exploitation of cheap labour. as for religion it should be banned outright. no more premotion/benefits,just keep it at home. if one person hears a voice and suffers delusion there considered unstable. if many people have the condition they call it religion.

    • JeanLouise says:

      Religion is an excuse that people use to do what they want to do anyway.

    • JeanLouise says:

      I worded my above comment badly. People who attack others, verbally or physically, in the name of religion are just using religion as an excuse to do what they want to do.

  14. northwestrain says:

    here’s another good article with link — one has a time line of the coverage. The NYT did do so well.

  15. dakinikat says:

    Here’s the article about his 12 minute youtube and the manifesto he wrote:

    You’ll see it’s translated from Norwegian via google because it’s from a Norwegian tv station.

    It is about more than twelve minutes long video, which Behring Brevik compare themselves with Knights, and encourage a year-long war against Marxism and Islamism.

    He has also published a manuscript of 1,500 pages which he explains very extreme political views. In addition, he describes in detail how an attack to be carried out. Everything from the use of the car bomb of the type of equipment to be used in an attack.

    On an image that has not previously been known pose the seemingly Anders Behring Breivik in a compression shirt with what looks like an automatic rifle. On his shoulder he has a badge that says “Marxist Hunter.”

    • northwestrain says:

      Mental health issues??? Similar to Tucson shootings — Loughner. He is also an extreme conservative. There is an attempt to medicate him at a facility in Missouri.

      Both blabbered on and on.

      I had hoped that Norway was ahead of the US on mental health issues — but apparently not. Or back to my theory that tag Christian + religious on to the behavior and some nut jobs get a pass.

      • bostonboomer says:

        Loughner is an obvious paranoid schizophrenic. I haven’t seen any evidence yet that the guy in Norway is schizophrenic. I’d be surpised, because he seems pretty organized and was able to run a farm.

      • northwestrain says:

        crazy — but just another sort of crazy.

        Paranoid Schizophrenia are more disorganized (but it really depends on their personality — unfortunately I have way more knowledge than I care to have — my sister is a Paranoid Schizophrenic — and I’ve known others.) However, Loughner was organized enough to get a gun — learn how to effectively shoot a gun. People with these mental disorders can be very organized — and then they can immediately disintegrate.

        There are broad similarities between these two males — but also individual differences. Add McVeigh to the mix — as well as Rudolph (Olympic bomber) — all striking at at strangers, male, similar ages — extreme conservatives in religion and political belief. These are part of an extreme minority.

        I was trained to look for patterns — and I’m seeing patterns (my profs would be so proud!)

        These guys are abnormal — they are living in an alternative reality — and they hurt others.