No. We should not respect other people’s beliefs
Posted: September 16, 2012 Filed under: Egypt, Foreign Affairs, just because | Tags: film protests, hate speech 15 CommentsNo. No, no, no. This is not about free speech as opposed to beliefs. It better not be. If it is, we’re headed straight for holy wars.
I’m talking about this sort of thing: BBC News – Film protest: Egypt PM urges US to end ‘insults’.
“At the same time we need to reach a balance between freedom of expression and to maintain respect for other peoples’ beliefs.”
There is no way to “respect beliefs” and have freedom of speech. It’s impossible. Think about it, Minister Qandil, for a microsecond. If my belief is that you speak drivel and should shut up, you can say nothing. If your belief is that I speak drivel and should shut up, neither of us can say anything if we’re both going to be “respectful.” Or, if we both talk and infuriate each other, then the only way to get “respect” is to silence the other. And only the dead are silent.
The malicious film is not a problem because it insults a religion. It’s a problem because its whole and only purpose is to inflict hate on people. It is not making a political statement, it is not arguing about anything. It’s trying to spit in the eye of people it hates. That is hate speech. It is incitement to riot. It is already illegal. It is an abuse of free speech. It is not protected under free speech laws.
The only problem is the growing US inability to understand that religion is a belief system, not an excuse. We should not lose all ability to tell right from wrong just because somebody hangs a judeochristian religious label on crap.
(Although when it involves a Muslim, the FBI seems to see “material support” for terrorists where only criticism exists. One example: Glenn Greenwald on the arrest of a person expressing outrage over the Abu Ghraib atrocities.)
We should take a deep breath, take our courage in our hands, and actually be responsible for some judgment calls. Avoiding responsibility with wishy-washy excuses about not having any right to judge anyone means only handing a blank check to the biggest bully to do their worst.
It’s pretty obvious where that leads. Haters incite hate and before you know it, real people with real families and real friends have died.
That’s why there are laws against hate speech. That’s why there are laws against incitement to riot.
By understanding the real reason why that sort of crap has to be squelched, it becomes clear that it is not criticism of religion which is the problem. Nobody can tell anybody to stop expressing their thoughts on a religion. They can insist on not hearing them. It’s the same as the idea behind the brown paper covers on porn mags. I don’t want to know what’s going on in the sewer of your mind, and you don’t have to tell me.
It becomes hate speech when you insist on rubbing my mind in your hated message. Then the intent is to hurt. Not to communicate. Then it’s hate speech.
That revolting film wasn’t noticed by anyone but the revolting people who made it. Pathetic, but not a huge issue. They didn’t like that. So they paid to have it translated into Arabic. That is hate speech, pure and simple.
We don’t have to slavishly avoid offending every bizarre — or even ordinary — belief system on the planet. We have to enforce our own laws against hate speech and incitement to riot. As a matter of fact, the solution is to be more willing to offend beliefs. When somebody’s beliefs result in hatred and harm we have to be ready to stand up to them and say, “NO.”
Crossposted from Acid Test
When Free Speech Turns Ugly
Posted: September 29, 2011 Filed under: New Orleans | Tags: hate speech, Obama sign in Uptown 38 Comments
I was rather shocked this morning to read about a series of signs portraying the president as a crying baby with text balloons reading “Change me. I stink”, as a puppet of George Soros, and a Dunce in uptown New Orleans. I am always amazed when political disagreement turns ugly. I’m not going to print the offensive signs here because they’re a real test of our right to free speech. I wish people were as equally respectful of civility as some of us are of free speech rights.
Like the man or not, Barrack Obama is our president. We all have a compelling interest in disagreeing with his policies and the manner in which he carries out his elected office. However, the man is the President of our country and the office deserves respect. As much as I didn’t like George Bush and could poke fun of him and complain about him with the best of them, I would still curl my lip at things like watching him being hung or burnt in effigy. The Presidency is an important symbol of our country. We have an elected leader not a despot. I felt the same way when then Governor Quitteralla was hung in effigy in a front of a California home as a “Halloween” prank. You don’t have to like an elected leader, but there’s a way to disagree with them without resorting to displays of hate. There’s a place where free speech turns into hate speech and while it’s legal under our constitution, it’s should be called out for what it is.
“It disrespects the nation — and President Barack Obama represents our nation,” said Skip Alexander, as he looked at one of the signs. “He represents everybody, not some people.”
Dozens of protesters came by the house in the 1500 block of Calhoun throughout the day, demanding the sign come down.
“He wouldn’t do that to [President] Bush, I’m sure. It’s just insulting. It’s insulting,” said C.C. Campbell-Rock. “He’s going to have to take them down.”
“This is nothing put pure racism,” said Raymond Rock. “This is a disgrace.”
The home is owned by Timothy Reily, who declined to be interviewed about the signs. Former Mayor Ray Nagin showed up at the house and went inside to speak with Reily. He emerged later and would not comment on what they discussed.
Some neighbors tell Eyewitness News that Reily has been putting the signs up for months. Some of the protesters learned about the signs through a local radio station on Wednesday morning.
“He can put up a sign if he wants to. It doesn’t bother me,” said Harold Gagnet, a neighbor.
“I think it’s fine. It’s on his property,” said Katherine deMontluzin. “He can say whatever he wants.”
The signs have created such a firestorm of controversy, though, that police came to the scene– called in by City Council Member Susan Guidry. She represents the district where the home is located. Guidry said she was concerned about public safety and was trying to figure out if the sign was even legal. She also said she spoke to Reily, but didn’t get far.
You can watch the news reports and see the signs at the link above. The sign contains pretty much all the usual right wing hack memes like Obama is a Socialist. Did I mention that this is the wealthy side of town and there’s all kinds of diatribes up there on taxing millionaires too? My guess is that this guy is Teabot. I remember them waving signs about portraying Obama as a witch doctor when Dolecare got enacted. The city is trying to search through its zoning laws to figure out a way to take the bill boards down after trying to speak to the homeowner failed. The man definitely does have a right to his opinion, he has a right to express it, but aren’t there less hateful ways to do it? I frankly would be frightened to have a person like this living next to me. If he’s got that much anger towards a politician, you just never know what he’d do if an easy target showed up.





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