Wednesday Morning Open Thread: WTF edition

Turkey is bombing the shit out of the Kurds.


Our President is a lawless monster who only cares about himself and his interests.

73 Comments on “Wednesday Morning Open Thread: WTF edition”

  1. dakinikat says:

    This is really evil.

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    • Enheduanna says:

      So much for Dump’s threats. He was rolled alright – no doubt about it.

      Now everyone knows the U.S. cannot be trusted from one administration to another. Ever again. THANKS MAGATS! You must be so proud.

  4. Enheduanna says:

    I am not knowledgeable about this treaty – but it sounds really ominous:

    He’s trying to pull of the “Open Skies” treaty – apparently another gift to Putin.

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    Trump and Giuliani have been blackmailing Ukraine since 2016 in cahoots with Manafort.

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    Diplomats leaking emails to NYT.

    American diplomats who had pushed for the Trump administration to restore security funding to Ukraine were advised by the White House to play down the release of the money when it was finally approved, documents show.

    “Keep moving, people, nothing to see here …” Brad Freden, the State Department’s acting deputy assistant secretary overseeing issues in Europe and Eurasia, wrote in a Sept. 12 email obtained by The New York Times.

    He said the National Security Council would not publicly announce that $141 million in State Department assistance was being restored after being held up in what the White House described as a normal review.

    The money is now at the heart of an impeachment inquiry by House Democrats into whether President Trump withheld a total of $391 million in funding as he sought damaging information on his political opponents from Ukraine’s newly-elected leader.

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    This is far from the first time the US has betrayed the Kurds. Kissinger famously did it.


    More info here:

  16. bostonboomer says:

    I had to shut off MSNBC. I can’t watch them trying to defend Matt Lauer.

  17. dakinikat says:

    Well, this was a chicken I wasn’t expected to come home to roost ….

    Former Trump campaign advisor Stephen Moore: ‘We knew we weren’t going to get 5% growth’

    President Donald Trump is an “exaggerator” who knew his policies wouldn’t generate the 5% growth he had promised while campaigning, according to Stephen Moore, who served as a campaign advisor for Trump and was a prospective Fed nominee.

    In an interview with The Intercept columnist Mehdi Hasan, Moore stopped just short of calling the president a liar, but did say Trump hurts himself with falsehoods.

    “He should stop saying things that are untrue,” Moore says in a clip that Hasan provided on his Twitter feed.

    “I think Trump is an exaggerator, and I think it gets him in trouble,” Moore later says. “It’s like he said we’re going to get 5% growth. We knew we weren’t going to get 5% growth.”

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    • quixote says:

      Bit of horn-tooting here: I’ve been saying for years we have to define free speech correctly if we want democracy to survive. Now that it’s in the ICU, lots of people are waking up to that fact.

      Speech is communication. But we’ve let words be used as weapons way too often. We’ve let people bring assault rifles to the marketplace of ideas. Not too surprisingly, it’s working out badly.

      And it’s unnecessary. In most cases, it’s not that hard to distinguish the attempt to communicate an idea from trying to bamboozle people.

      Admittedly, if we shut a lot of the latter down, it would cut into Big Tech’s profits.

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  20. Pat Johnson says:

    Anybody having the uncomfortable feeling that Trump is going to burn down the planet before he is through?

    I feel it stronger every day now.

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    • NW Luna says:

      I’m donating to Greenpeace right now.

    • NW Luna says:

      Damn. It’s not real.

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    • quixote says:

      Agent Orange doesn’t know or care. He talked to Putin without adult supervision at the G20, got his marching orders, and here we are.

      Never forget that hundreds of thousands of new refugees streaming toward Europe is *also* Putin’s agenda. Some people always get resentful, so the countries get destabilized, which increases extremism, which causes more destabilization, etc., etc.

      Putin is plenty smart enough to see the downstream consequences, and he’s all for it.

      Man oh man, did the US ever make a giant vast enormous miscalculation supporting Yeltsin instead of Gorbachev. Sure, the USSR became weak and fell apart. But so did everybody else.

      • quixote says:

        Just saw the bit about the Dump saying he doesn’t care about tens of thousands of escaped Isis-ees because they’re all going to Europe.

        I feel like shouting, “What did I just say a second ago?”

        The other thing I just said a while ago, “God help us all.”

        • dakinikat says:

          Yeah. Maybe he wants terrorists attacks as a reason to never leave office. I’m beginning to think that might be about an right assessment given his love of conspiracies.

      • NW Luna says:

        Never did understood why the US didn’t support Gorbachev.

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    Just a note about we were told about this…

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