Thursday Reads: Bernie Bros Hop on “That Old Volkswagon Bus” Back to 1972
Posted: January 21, 2016 | Author: bostonboomer | Filed under: morning reads, U.S. Politics |
Good Morning!!
After 24 hours of discussion of Bernie Sanders’ attacks on Planned Parenthood, NARAL, and the the Human Rights Campaign, we have a response from the Bernie bro camp at MSNBC. Rachel Maddow addressed what he had said on her show on Tuesday night. She invited Bernie himself to come on the show again, but he declined.
So Maddow did her best to clean up Bernie’s horrendous remarks. She Bernie-splained that there is that there Hillary herself started the backlash (not true, people were tweeting about it while the show was still going on). Next she quoted the Human Rights Campaigns’ statement that they had been fighting for LGBT rights for more than 30 years and then implied that the fact that they have been around that long indicates they are in fact part of the establishment. Then she argued that in terms of support for reproductive rights and gay rights there is no real difference between Clinton and Sanders.
Maddow went on to claim that this is the first big disagreement in the Democratic campaign for the nomination. Seriously? She hasn’t noticed the vast differences on and arguments about gun control and health care? Did she watch the last debate? Anyway, you can watch the entire 10-minute segment at the above link.
This morning the issue was even addressed on the front page of DailyKos by David Nir:
Sanders camp confirms it thinks Planned Parenthood is part of the establishment out to beat Bernie.
On Tuesday night, Bernie Sanders alarmed many liberals when he appeared to include Planned Parenthood among groups belonging to the “political establishment” that he says he’s “taking on”:
“What we are doing in this campaign—and it just blows my mind every day, because I see it clearly—we’re taking on not only Wall Street and the economic establishment, we’re taking on the political establishment.
“And so I have friends and supporters in the Human Rights Fund, in Planned Parenthood. But you know what, Hillary Clinton has been around there for a very, very long time and some of these groups are, in fact, part of the establishment.”
In response, some Sanders supporters argued that Sanders was not including Planned Parenthood among “establishment” groups, pointing out that he spoke only of “some” groups without specifically naming Planned Parenthood.
However, in an interview with MSNBC’s Chuck Todd Wednesday afternoon, Sanders’ top strategist, Tad Devine, confirmed that the campaign does indeed view Planned Parenthood as part of a Democratic establishment that’s actively opposing Sanders:
Todd: Do you believe that Planned Parenthood and Human Rights Campaign—that these are part of the Democratic establishment that’s trying to defeat you?
Devine: I do, Chuck. I think the leadership of Washington-based groups—and it’s not just those two—are part of a political establishment here in Washington.
Don’t bother reading the comments. They’re filled with Bernie bros shrieking that the leadership of DailyKos, which supports Hillary Clinton, is also part of the “establishment.”
The other news the Bernie bros were pushing yesterday was a poll by CNN and WMUR that found Clinton trailing Sanders in New Hampshire 60% to 33%. Sorry, but that has to be an outlier. I don’t doubt that Bernie is leading in New Hampshire, but the folks up there have a tendency to switch back and forth and makes up their minds at the last minute–sometimes as they arrive at their polling places. WBUR Boston poll independent New Hampshire voters:
WBUR Poll: Large Share Of N.H.’s Undeclared Voters Yet To Settle On A Candidate Or A Party.
A new WBUR poll out Thursday (topline, crosstabs) finds that with less than three weeks before primary day, a large share of New Hampshire’s undeclared voters have yet to make up their minds about who to vote for — or even which party to support.
New Hampshire’s undeclared voters — those who aren’t registered as Democrats or Republicans and can choose either ballot on Election Day — represent over 44 percent of the state’s voters, more than either political party. They are notoriously independent and play a crucial role in picking the winners.
“And a lot of them, about a third, still haven’t made up their mind,” said Steve Koczela, president of The MassINC Polling Group, which conducted our survey. “That to me is the thing that could still cause the biggest change.”
So 44% of the states’ voters could still affect the outcome of the primary.
Sadly for the Bernie bros, there’s a new Iowa poll out today showing Clinton leading Sanders 9 points. From TPM:
Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has a nine-point lead over Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) among Iowa Democrats, according to a Monmouth/KBUR poll released Thursday.
The poll showed support for Clinton at 48 percent, compared to 39 percent for Sanders. Former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley also registered an unusually high level of support at 7 percent.
Though substantial, Clinton’s lead is narrower than in the previous iteration of the Monmouth/KBUR Iowa poll, which showed her leading Sanders 46 percent to 32 percent.
Several major polls lately have shown Sanders leading in Iowa, and some others have put Clinton’s lead within the margin of error, suggesting a collapse in support for Clinton in a state where she previously had been in a strong position. This poll contradicts that narrative.
The Monmouth/KBUR poll, conducted by Douglas Fulmer & Associates from Jan. 18-19, surveyed 570 Democratic voters in Iowa by phone. It had a margin of error of 4.1 percentage points.
Lots can happen between now and the vote counting in Iowa and New Hampshire. In fact, CNN announced yesterday that they will hold a town hall for Democratic candidates on Monday night.
Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley and Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders will field questions from Iowa Democrats in this prime-time event hosted by the Iowa Democratic Party and Drake University.
“We are honored to partner with CNN on their town hall with our three fantastic Democratic candidates,” said Dr. Andy McGuire, chair of the Iowa Democratic Party. “With this event airing just one week before the first-in-the-nation Iowa caucuses, it’s an incredible opportunity for Iowans to see our candidates detail their plans to move our country forward and their vision for Iowa and the nation.”
The town hall, which will be moderated by CNN anchor Chris Cuomo, will air from 9 p.m.-11 p.m. ET, the network announced. A CNN spokesperson added that it will make the town hall available to its Iowa affiliates to air live.
That should be really interesting! Of course we’ll be posting a live blog to discuss what happens.
Simon and Garfunkel at a benefit for George McGovern in 1972
Today the Bernie bros are all talking about Sanders’ new ad set to Simon and Garfunkle’s 1972 classic “America.” To me that’s a reminder that if Sanders were to get the nomination he’d go the way of George McGovern. But what do I know. I’m just a clueless old fogy who doesn’t want history to repeat itself this year. I only voted for George McGovern in 1972 and felt my heart break when he lost to Richard Nixon in a landslide. The networks called the election before 7PM.
Greg Sargent is one of the younger journalists who is thrilled with the new ad.
Bernie Sanders wants to be this year’s hope and change candidate.
As Iowa comes down to the wire, the parallels to the 2008 battle between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are striking. Clinton has reverted to a hard-boiled message about the need for experience and toughness to confront a dangerous, complicated world.
Meanwhile, Bernie Sanders is increasingly sounding an optimistic, inspirational message that promises a bright, progressive future that can, and will, be secured through mobilizing the masses, particularly younger voters, a vision that Clinton surely sees (just as she saw Barack Obama’s vision) as vague, airy, and naive.
Sanders is up with this remarkable new ad in Iowa whose tagline — “a future you can believe in” — conspicuously echoes Obama’s 2008 “change you can believe in” formulation.
In a way, this ad perfectly captures Bernie Sanders’ theory of change, or at least, a version of it that has had its more pessimistic or even apocalyptic edges airbrushed away to make it easier on the eyes and ears. Hence the dulcet tones of Simon and Garfunkel’s “America,” which tells a tale of young lovers on a road trip, suffusing this ad with an odd mix of nostalgia (this song was recorded in the late 1960s, when Sanders and Clinton were both in their twenties) and idealism about the future.
The Sanders argument, to put it simply, has essentially been that America is in deep, deep trouble — it faces structural challenges so pressing and urgent, from climate change to soaring inequality, that the failure to meet them with proportionately outsize solutions risks a slow motion slide into disaster that could prove irreversible. Sanders’ message has been that the version of progressive change that we’ve seen during the Obama years — from Dodd Frank to Obamacare to the global climate deal — is basically small beer compared to the epic problems we face. That’s what makes this new ad so striking: it doesn’t detail these challenges, instead suggesting vaguely that inspiration and mobilization can secure America’s future.
That sounds kind of negative to me. He’s essentially running against Obama’s legacy. How will that go over with Iowa Democrats who overwhelming support President Obama.
Here’s something from an older and wiser journalist, Gene Lyons: In That Old Volkswagen Bus With Bernie, Rolling Toward 1972.
Unpack your old tie-dyed T-shirts, roll yourself a fat doobie, and warm up the ancient VW bus. We’re going to do Woodstock and the 1972 presidential election all over again. And this time, the hippies are going to win! Four years of peace, love, and single-payer health care.
But do take care to clear the path for Bernie Sanders. Because if he steps in something the dog left behind, he’s going to blame Wall Street and start yelling and waving his arms around.
And you know how much that upsets Republican congressmen who are otherwise so eager to oblige his plans to soak the rich and give everybody free college, free health care, free bubble-up and rainbow stew—as the old Merle Haggard song had it.
OK, so I’m being a smart-aleck. I was moved to satire by a couple of moments from last week’s Democratic and Republican presidential debates. First, Sen. Sanders, boasting about a Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll that shows him beating Donald Trump by 15 points—54 to 39. Hillary Clinton tops Trump only 51-41.
Both would be huge landslides. In 1972, Richard Nixon defeated George McGovern 61-38. The Democrat won only Massachusetts.
The part Sanders left out and that Hillary was also wise enough to leave unmentioned is that the same poll shows her leading him 59 to 34 percent in the Democratic primary contest nationally. Twenty-five points.
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I just watched the ad and there are 4 incidental shots with black people in them. I didn’t see any Latinos or Muslims. No LGBT people kissing either.
Mayor of Flint posts her endorsement of Hillary.
Hillary Clinton is the only presidential candidate helping us in Flint.
New Clinton ad.
Agreed, 110%.
Very nicely done. Sanders doesn’t hold a candle to Hillary’s experience and understanding of foreign affairs. He hasn’t even paid attention to some of the basics of the Middle East situation. Not Qualified.
Peter Daou today: http://bluenationreview.com/bernie-is-the-establishment-hillary-and-planned-parenthood-are-the-anti-establishment/
We posted simultaneously!
Lol!
Good read.
Reminds me of this quote –
When you are accustomed to privilege equality feels like oppression.
Good quote.
Peter Daou:
INDISPUTABLE: Bernie Is the Establishment, Hillary and Planned Parenthood are the Anti-Establishment
Sanders campaign announced that the ad doesn’t imply Simon and Garfunkel support him. Actually it does…
Totally agree. I went looking for a comment from S & G. Couldn’t find one.
I looked too. Nothing from Paul Simon or Art Garfunkel, yet I assume they have rights to the song (?) and the Sanders campaign needed their permission to use it.
A much better Simon and Garfunkel song for the Sanders campaign, IMHO:
Matt Yglesias says he admits the ad is pretty lily white, but that’s OK because it’s just for Iowa and NH. The ad appeals to “people like me.” Yegleslias says.
http://www.vox.com/2016/1/21/10806582/bernie-sanders-america
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If it was any whiter, you’d need sunglasses!
“People like me.” Urgh.
Sanders may be running against Obama’s legacy as president, but he is much closer to Obama’s legacy as a candidate than Clinton. For example, Obama was running on the universal health care promise in 2008. Clinton is now running on preserving Obamacare, which is a practical and realistic goal, but even as is it’s not really something that’s going to inspire any hope&change sentiment. And, if I remember correctly, she already wants to repeal the Cadillac plan tax which is one of the things that’s financially holding up Obamacare – and who knows what other parts she’ll want to dismantle once she is elected. And while I have zero illusions that Sanders will be able to implement his single payer plan, I’m pretty sure that anything Clinton might accomplish on Obamacare would be the very things that GOP-controlled Congress would want.
Obama didn’t run on universal health care in 2008. His plan was a carbon copy of hers without an individual mandate or public insurance option. In fact he ran ads against the individual mandate which is the only reason Ocare works at all now. You might want to check you memory banks cause they’re corrupt.
Hey Ralph, there you are. Good to see ya.
Exactly. I would be very surprised if Hillary made the kinds of changes to Obamacare that Republicans would like. Hillary’s voting record in the Senate was only slightly less liberal than Sanders’ and far more liberal that Obama’s. You can look it up.
Obama didn’t have a health care plan until Hillary started talking about it and he realized he needed one. From the beginning he ran on the narrative that he had opposed the Iraq war–in a little noticed speech that isn’t even on video. Oh, and he also ran on his personal life story.
Yep. I remember him hammering against the individual mandate, and then when he did one of his What-I-Really-Meant switches and copied Hillary’s plan.
Yep!!! I remember! He actually copied the plan off of her website. For a long time he didn’t have one on his.
I checked my memory banks. They may be corrupt, but they are not wrong: “I have made a solemn pledge that I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my first term”
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=76986
Interesting. He still didn’t have a plan before Iowa.
Good to hear from you Ralph, hope all is well with you and yours!
While on the subject, Sanders introduced a bill to repeal the Cadillac tax.
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/254842-sanders-top-dems-urge-repeal-of-cadillac-tax
You’re right, turns out he did. And Clinton supports the repeal, so no points for either. But then Clinton doesn’t even seem to be proposing universal health care as a long term goal.
Come on. Hillary has been fighting for universal health care since 1993. She wants to actually do things to make progress, not just talk.
From the last debate:
Paul Krugman agrees with both of us. He says Bernie is the heir to Obama the candidate in 2008 who thought he could magically change everything through the force of his personality and Hillary is the heir to Obama the president. He also notes that the health care plan we got was essentially the one she proposed during the 2008 campaign.
In fact Hillary does support SPUHC as a long term goal, but as she acknowledged in the debate, we couldn’t even get members of the Democratic Congress to agree to the Medicare for all option when we had control of both houses. SPUHC will have to happen incrementally, because it was proven, just a few short years ago, that Blue Dogs will not vote for it. And BTW, when the ACA was passed, it passed without a single GOP vote. So Bernie knows full well that he cannot get SPUHC passed, yet he fills the idealists heads full of “revolution” and “possibility” when both houses of Congress are controlled by the GOP and will likely continue to be for at least several more cycles.
I think the Dems will take back the Senate if Hillary is the candidate.
I think Hillary has a lot better chance of lifting down ticket Dems than Bernie does. Hillary has the endorsement of many members of Congress, I think Bernie has 1 or 2, plus she has the endorsement of many State and City legislators. Bernie’s support from State parties is zip. Now that will change if he gets the nomination, but there won’t be the commitment that individuals have made to Hillary. That’s the pitfall associated with Bernie not having any connections to State Party members. I truly believe if he’s nominated, he’ll be trounced by whoever the GOP nominates because they will absolutely drag out the 50+ years of Bernie’s life that he spent as a Socialist and not a Democratic Socialist. Especially during the time that he was a member of the Liberty Union Party and his ties to the Socialist Party of America.
This is basically what Bernie Sanders believes even though he’s become reluctant to embrace it in this race. He’s reinvented himself as a Democratic Socialist when just a few short months ago he was simply a Socialist.
“The Socialist Party stands for the abolition of every form of domination and exploitation, whether based on social class, gender, race/ethnicity, age, education, sexual orientation, or other characteristics. We are committed to the transformation of capitalism through the creation of a democratic socialist society based on compassion, empathy, and respect as well as the development of new social structures. Socialism will establish a new social and economic order in which workers and community members will take responsibility for and control of their interpersonal relationships, their neighborhoods, their local government, and the production and distribution of all goods and services. For these reasons we call for social ownership and democratic control of productive resources, for a guarantee to all of the right to participate in societal production, and to a fair share of society’s product, in accordance with individual needs.”
As idealistic as it sounds Socialism as a guiding principle of government has never worked and I don’t believe it ever will.
http://socialistparty-usa.net/platform.html
As a candidate and a person, Sanders wouldn’t amount to a pimple on George McGovern’s ass. Sanders doesn’t appear to have had an original thought since 1969, thus the constant demagoguery and shouting.
I agree. I used to really like Sanders, but I’ve lost all respect for him. George McGovern was a war hero who understood foreign policy and fought hard against the Vietnam War. He also completely transformed how Democratic party worked.
That’s absolutely true Ralph. And McGovern was actually A DEMOCRAT! Bernie is just a guy who’s using the incredible resources of the DNC, worth 100’s of millions of dollars, to get elected to the nomination of the PARTY he doesn’t belong to and has never worked for.
I still don’t understand why Bernie is being allowed to run as a Democrat. He has not joined the Democratic Party. He continues to be Sen. Bernie Sanders ( I-VT ).
Some ridiculous Party rule about caucusing. Bernie, who’s billed himself as a true independent Socialist since leaving the Liberty Union Party, knows he does not stand a chance at the nomination without the Democratic Party, so he took advantage of a rule THAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED. Bernie has made a slight change to how he identifies himself, he now calls himself an “Democratic Socialist” because that distances him, somewhat, from what he believed as a true Socialist.
Sam Wang tweeted a link to the Cook Political Report that explains how unlikely it is that Sanders will get the nomination.
“As Cook National Editor Amy Walter wrote last week, this race will come down to whether Sanders is Howard Dean or Barack Obama. While Dean fizzled in Iowa, Obama’s Iowa win solidified his burgeoning popularity among white liberals but also legitimized his candidacy in the eyes of many previously skeptical African-American voters. But so far, there are few hints of a Sanders “expansion” constituency beyond liberal whites.
“There’s another gigantic Sanders math problem the Post failed to mention: thanks to Clinton’s early dominance of superdelegates, he effectively begins the race eight points behind in the delegate count, before any votes are even cast. ”
http://cookpolitical.com/story/9179
There’s a huge difference between Bernie and Barack Obama.
1. Obama had massive support within the party. He amassed amazing numbers of endorsements (superdelegates) early on, like Hillary is doing this time. Sanders has 2 endorsements from Democratic politicians.
2. Obama is black, and once black voters saw he could win primaries, many of them abandoned Hillary.
From the very interesting and helpful Cook article that Riverbird linked to:
As well, it was a lot easier to sell Obama as the next new thing. Sanders has been around too long for that to be believable.
Especially with that face that reminds me a bit of the old guy in American Gothic. Just put a pitchfork in Bernie’s hand and get rid of the comb over.
Peter Daou shuts down Bernie bro who asks him if he knows how many Monsanto lobbyists Hillary has on her staff.
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LOL! He hit that one out of the park!
The only people who would like to see a repeat of 1972 are Republicans. That’s why they’re pushing so hard for Sanders.
Yup, Good Lord.
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CNN just released a poll showing Bernie way up in Iowa. Only problem is the majority of the sample was men.
Because they won’t let their womenfolk answer the phone?
They are very specifically cherry picking. Bernie’s people called the house and asked to speak to my daughter. Not any voter in the household or the owners, specifically her by name. We’re all Democrats, I’m very active in the Democratic Party, but they only asked to speak to her. They asked her who she was going to vote for in the Democratic primary and she said “Hillary Clinton”. After 5 seconds of silence the dude just said, “Okay, thank you.”
Of course, my daughter is a recent college grad, 22 years old. Interesting, no?
Wow, they are really derailing the voters.
Yeah, I’m not sure if they were polling or just calling for info but it makes me mistrust some of these outlier polls. They can target whomever they want to get the results they want to tout.
The poll makes little sense to me. In some places there were large numbers of undecideds, but not everywhere. Half repubs and half dems polled. It looks like what happened in WI in 2008, where repugs voted Obama to keep HRC out. Also, with the baggage Clinton has had to fight on this subject, it is not a neutral question to ask whom is a perceived liar. That question is really being played on some of the Bernie posts I am seeing.
LOL! Bernie rockin’ the suburbs.
Rachel Maddow is up at the plate, and has Bernie making a home run, I am sure!
Pretty funny Sanders is using a song from 1972. In 1972 Sanders wrote his lovely ‘women fantasize about being raped’ essay. Where was Hillary? About halfway between her famous Wellesley College commencement speech and serving on the impeachment committee of Nixon. Doing real work for women, children and the poor. Every time some says what has Hillary accomplished I tell them to look at her Wiki page. It’s amazing! Of course you have to take the bad with the good at Wiki. Another good place is the first ladies biography sight if it’s updated. That site is interesting all around.
Did y’all read this 4 part series researching Bernie’s early years? Here is the first part. I’ll find the other three if anyone has not already read them.
http://www.shakesville.com/2015/07/looking-for-bernie-part-1-sanders-72.html
Thank you, had not read it, and it’s like a paint by numbers of Bernie Sanders.
I read part of it. I need to get back and finish reading the rest.
I’ll link the other three in case anyone is snow bound and has plenty of spare time!
http://www.shakesville.com/2015/07/looking-for-bernie-part-2-mr-sanders.html
http://www.shakesville.com/2015/07/looking-for-bernie-part-3-sanders-90.htm
http://www.shakesville.com/2015/07/looking-for-bernie-part-4-turning-right.html
Thanks!
This site is a little hard for me to read – it needs more paragraph breaks, but I learned things I didn’t know. Hillary sat on a ton of committees. Something I didn’t remember from that time was that for the first 20 days of 2001, Hillary was both a Senator and First Lady. Another first!
http://www.firstladies.org/biographies/firstladies.aspx?biography=43
Rachel had this big ass word in bold letters to express her concerns “disestablishmentarianism”, I couldn’t help but think this sounds like something Sarah Palin would throw out there.
Anyways, Bernie was hoping this whole thing would hurt Hillary, and it won’t. He defended his position, then the too it back, and did a two step, and said that not what I meant.
Lordy, March 16 will not get here fast enough for us, 50% of delegate counts will be in.
By the by, Janis Joplin had her 73rd Birthday on 19 Jan! And thank BB for excellent job, all you sky dancers, stay inside, and be prepared.
In that interview on Rachel where Mr. Baggypants flip-flopped on “establishment” he once again referred to the Human Rights Campaign as the Human Rights Fund.
I have seen posts all over the internuts about possible memory issues for BS and I am starting to give that some thought.
I didn’t notice that. Thanks Dee.
Yep, he’s so involved on the issue of LGBT people he doesn’t even know the name of one of the first organizations to lobby for LGBT equality.
And the berners are trying to sell me on the notion that Bernie was there first? NOPE, I know better and so does every gay person over the age of 50, which are a hell of a lot of us. Bernie hasn’t spent a minute in the trenches with the gay community. And touting he refusal to sign DOMA doesn’t make him a champion of LGBT civil rights, at the time Bernie’s Chief-of-Staff said, ” it was motivated by a concern for states’ rights, not equality. Explaining that he wasn’t “legislating values,” she noted that Sanders believed DOMA violated the Constitution’s Full Faith and Credit Clause by allowing one state to refuse to recognize a same-sex marriage performed in another. “You’re opening up Pandora’s box here,” she said at the time. “You’re saying that any state can refuse to … recognize the laws of another state if they don’t like them.”
And in VT during their debate on Civil Marriage vs. Civil Unions ” In 2006, he took a stand against same-sex marriage in Vermont, stating that he instead endorsed civil unions. Sanders told reporters that he was “comfortable” with civil unions, not full marriage equality.”
Well, I’m not uncomfortable with Bernie changing his mind, but I am uncomfortable with him attempting to rewrite his place in LGBT history. Hillary Clinton was marching beside us in Pride Marches in 2000, I can’t find that Bernie has ever made that sort of a commitment to the LGBT equality movement. Talk about equality is cheap, especially when you represent one of the most liberal constituencies in the country.
I am one of those over 50, actually well over, and know well that BS is not really that into us or our issues.
I am aware that when the HRC or any other LGBTQ organization called him for help with legislation, to brief him on an issue, to invite him to a function, etc. he never returned the call. BS sometimes voted right but could never be bothered to talk to us.
Meanwhile, we never had to call Hillary as she always called us first to see what she could do to help.
I officially hate BS at this point.
Well, I don’t hate the man, but I’m disgusted by him and his minions attempting to paint him as some sort of Civil Rights Icon when he isn’t/wasn’t. IMO, he’s become a political opportunist of the highest order and his freeloading off the hard work that Hillary and many other of us have put into the Democratic Party, makes me ill.
Mouse – I have to say that I’m so happy to read your comments. I love your straightforward, no nonsense and hilarious way of putting things – they always make me smile! This situation with Bernie is giving me flashbacks to 2008, so I especially appreciate your comments along with the other SkyDancers – it does help calm me down! 🙂
What happened to the confluence. Riverdaughter has gone nuts! They spend a great deal of time over there bashing Hillary Clinton! She’s really lost it!
I don’t know. I haven’t been there in years.
Sad. I haven’t been there for some time either.
“I’m just a clueless old fogy who doesn’t wan history to repeat itself this year. I only voted for George McGovern in 1972 and felt my heart break when he lost to Richard Nixon in a landslide. The networks called the election before 7PM.”
Girl, you took the words right out of my mouth. I’ve been saying the exact same things for months to folks who actually believe Bernie can do any of the things he’s promising. When I say George McGovern to them and try to tell them a cautionary tale of BEEN THERE, DONE THAT, the bernites say, “Who?”. I thought McGovern, along with my generation, were going to change the world, NOT!!!! Bernie cannot deliver on one damn thing on his promise list, and the worst part about it is, HE KNOWS IT!!!!! Still he leads this band of people around like he’s the Pied Piper and plays to their gullibility. The “we’re going to start a revolution” has no more power than it did in 1971/1972, and as you know we had a lot more going on in 1972 than we do in 2016. As we saw in Occupy Wall Street, stating you can make change is one thing, saying you can start a revolution to make it happen is another. Here’s to Hillary, TELLING IT LIKE IT IS!!!!
And Rachel Maddow needs to climb out of her Bernie Gutter. She has completely sold out to the Bernie campaign. I suppose she thinks all of us have quit watching by now, but I’m still hanging in there and tuning in on the days I think she is likely to deliver another Bernie-splaining. She didn’t let me down Wednesday night, but she sure let herself down!!!!
And FWIW, last night, for the very first time on Lawrence O’Donnell, Joy Reid said Bernie Sanders “is not a Democrat”. FINALLY!!!!!!!!!! Bernie hasn’t spilled an ounce of blood or sweat for the party that he now wants to deliver him to the Presidency. Hillary began to drive that home a bit in the last debate when she said he tried to find someone to challenge Obama in 2012. Let’s see if people who’ve worked and sacrificed for the Party for a lifetime will begin to stand up and speak the truth about it.