Lazy Saturday Reads: Challenging Misogyny and Electing a Woman President
Posted: June 14, 2014 Filed under: Barack Obama, morning reads, U.S. Politics, Women's Rights | Tags: "Hard Choices", 2008 Democratic primaries, 2016 presidential race, Hillary Clinton, misogyny, NPR's Fresh Air, same-sex marriage, Sexism, Terry Gross, woman hating 36 Comments
Good Morning!!
A couple of days ago, Dan Murphy of The Christian Science Monitor tweeted a link to a 2013 post he wrote about on-line misogyny and noted that “It’s only getting worse.” It’s refreshing that some men recognize the problem. But why is it “getting worse” this week? I doubt if even Dan Murphy knows what’s driving the recent increase in on-line expressions of woman hatred.
Hint: A powerful woman released a memoir on Tuesday. There are now 552 customer reviews of the book on Amazon, most written by misogynistic Hillary-haters who obviously have not read even a single paragraph of Hillary Clinton’s Hard Choices.
We watched it during the 2008 presidential campaign, and we always knew it would happen again if Hillary dared to run again. The truth is that misogyny is even stronger than racism in this country; hatred of women is so powerful that even pointing it out can unleash rape and murder threats. From Dan Murphy’s post from last year about misogyny in the UK:
Guardian columnist Hadley Freeman got the ball rolling this time by daring to write on Tuesday:
There’s been a lot of focus of late on the weirdy-weirdos who send rape threats on Twitter, and rightly so. But much of the coverage makes several misguided assumptions. First, that angry misogynists only communicate on Twitter (allow me to introduce you to something called Reddit). Second, that this is a man-versus-woman thing. Some of the angriest messages I’ve ever received on the Internet have come from women, usually telling me how ugly I am. Lovely to meet you, too! And third, that legislating against rape threats on the Internet is a contravention of freedom of speech. Seeing as legislation against hate speech in the real world has not, as far as I know, contravened anyone’s right to freedom of speech, this argument makes no sense, except, maybe, to people who make rape threats and whose grasp of logic is, perhaps, not whipsmart.
Ms. Freeman soon received a bomb threat on Twitter. Also in the UK last week feminist writer Caroline Criado-Perez and Labour Party politician Stella Creasy received rape threats via Twitter. After Ms. Criado-Perez complained to police she’d received dozens of sexual threats over the Internet, a 21-year old man was arrested.
The Hillary hate has been building up for awhile now, ever since Hillary stepped down as Secretary of State and the media began shrieking from the dark heart of its collective fear of a woman president–especially *This Woman.* I don’t know how bad its going to get, but I’m already sick of it. I want so much for Hillary to stand strong and prevail over the fear and hatred of women that is and will be projected on her for the next couple of years.
Even I fell for it yesterday when we discussed Hillary’s interview with NPR’s Terry Gross. I said I thought Hillary had sounded defensive when she responded to Gross’s question about changing her position on same-sex marriage. Luckily for me, Fannie and Janicen were there to point out my mistake:
Fannie
I am glad Hillary asserted herself and her tone. I don’t know why Terry Gross didn’t do her homework, or why she took the path that lead to the “twisting of her comments, insisting it was politics”. Hillary wasn’t trying to jump her (or as the media said, Hillary was being testy), she was being spot on about her response. Get ready, now that her book is out, we are going to see underreactions, overreactions, the ups and and downs, and everything else they will thrown into the mix. Hillary will be up against the Ducks, the Rick Perry’s who thinks gays are alcoholics, the tea party candidate who says the Bible tells me to stone gay people to death, and Rich Gohmert who debates at congressional hearings about who is and who is not going to heaven. She’s been around the block a couple times.
BB, you remember when Chris Hayes was attacked by a republican woman, she hammered his ass, and it was all because they “disagreed”. Hillary was NOT being nasty like this woman. She handled it well, I thought.
Let’s get back to Hillary’s history. She was speaking out against the oppression by the Uganda Bill “Kill the Gays”. She gave a hell of speech at George University. That was early in 2009.
Did Chris and Terry forget 2009 when she said:
“On behalf of Department of State and USAID, I want to congratulate the gays and lesbians in foreign affairs agencies on winning the Employee Resource Group of the Year Award by Out and Equal Work Place.”It was Hillary who changed the policy at the Dept. State, to help provide benefits for same sex partners of those work were in foreign service. It was after this that Obama followed with other federal agencies. Obama had been nodding his head, while she was actually changing the laws, and the records are there for everybody to see. Terry and Chris refused to see.
Hillary Clinton also developed policy on transgender employees at the state department. She said stand up and be who you are. Keep in mind, she said “the struggle for equality is never ever finished”…. and she is right.
Hillary has been advocate for LGBT community for long time. She knows that they (we) are all flustrated because change is slow to come. It coming but very slowly. It was Hillary who marched in Pride Parade when June was declared Pride Month, she was right there with them, while Obama was working out.
Chris is getting lazy, get up off his ass and speak to those she has helped for many many years.
janicen
June 13, 2014 at 11:55 am(Edit)
I have to disagree that she sounded defensive. I think she sounded decisive. Gross kept stupidly pushing her agenda again and again. Clinton was polite for as long as humanly possible and then she just had to put the idiot in her place. I’m glad she responded as she did. Until then she was sounding like a politician. Once she cold cocked her, Madame President sounded like a leader.
Thank you, my dear friends. That is a clear demonstration of the value of a community blog where we can argue share our analyses with each other. I’m so glad we are still hanging in there together!
Now a response to the chorus of media criticism of Hillary as “testy” (IOW *bitchy*) from Jeremy Holden at Media Matters: How NPR’s Terry Gross Created A False Impression That Hillary Clinton Stonewalled On Marriage Equality.
By repeatedly asking the same question, NPR correspondent Terry Gross created the false impression that Hillary Clinton was stonewalling and dodging over the issue of marriage equality, despite the fact that Clinton consistently and repeatedly answered Gross’ question.
As a senator and during her 2008 presidential run, Clinton supported civil unions for same-sex couples and opposed marriage equality. In a March 2013 statement, she announced that “I support marriage for lesbian and gay couples. I support it personally and as a matter of policy and law.” She explained that her travels as secretary of state and her daughter’s wedding had been key to her changing her opinion on the issue.
Gross’ central question was whether Clinton changed her publicly stated position and supported gay marriage out of political expedience, a question she asked seven separate times during an NPR interview. Clinton consistently rejected Gross’ characterization throughout the interview, instead saying that her views on the issue changed over time.
To me it seemed that Gross wanted Hillary to say that she had always supported same-sex marriage, but had pretended to oppose it for political reasons. Of course if Hillary had said that, she would have been pilloried for lying about her position. The truth is, as she stated very clearly, that Hillary’s views on same-sex marriage changed as she heard the logical arguments for it from LGBT activists–whom she had long supported. Here is Hillary’s clear response at the beginning of the exchange.
TERRY GROSS: Were there positions you believed in as senator but you couldn’t publicly support because you felt that it wasn’t time yet? That the positions would have been too unpopular? That the public wasn’t ready in regards to LGBT rights? And, you know, I often think that there are politicians who, you know, in their heart really support it but don’t publicly support it.
HILLARY CLINTON: Well, I was fully on board with ending discrimination in the workplace on behalf of the LGBT community. I did not support gay marriage when I was in the Senate or running for president, as you know, and as President Obama and others held the same position.But it, for me, became an opportunity to do what I could as secretary of state to make the workplace fairer – something I had always supported and spoke out about. And then when I was out of the secretary of state position and once again free to comment on domestic matters, I very shortly came out in favor of fully equality, including gay marriage.
Yet “progressives” like Chris Hayes writers at Firedoglake and Huffington Post ripped into Hillary for standing up for herself against Gross’s attempts to twist her responses.
Another defense of Hillary’s truthfulness–while expressing frustration with her positions–came from the Washington Post’s Johnathan Capehart: Gross misunderstanding of Hillary Clinton on gay marriage.
The history bears out Clinton’s contention. Her evolution on marriage equality was as irksome for the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) community as was President Obama’s. But what made Obama’s evolution especially painful to watch was knowing that as a candidate for state senate in 1996, he unequivocally stated, “I favor legalizing same-sex marriages and would fight efforts to prohibit such marriages.” As I covered Clinton from first lady to senator to presidential candidate, I never detected a whiff of that kind of political calculation in her opposition to same-sex marriage. If anything, her march to “yes” was maddeningly slow.
Here’s another interesting example of contrasting views on Hillary and her behavior. First The UK Guardian’s review of Hard Choices by David Runciman: Hard Choices by Hillary Clinton review – buttoned-up but still revealing.
If Hillary Clinton becomes the next American president she won’t just be the first woman to hold that office: she’ll be the first secretary of state to get there since James Buchanan in 1857. Unlike in Britain, where foreign secretaries and chancellors of the exchequer routinely go on to the top job, senior US cabinet positions are not seen as stepping stones to the White House. No secretary of the treasury has ever become president. Cabinet officers are meant to be functionaries: people whose job is to make sense of the world. Presidents are meant to be politicians: people whose job is to lead it. In this long, exhausting, faintly robotic but ultimately impressive book, Hillary makes her pitch to be both.
According to Runciman, Hillary’s book is way too cautious and “prosaic,” but still “an amazing story.
Above all, what comes through is Clinton’s sheer persistence. This is how she does politics, by keeping going and totting up the small victories so that they outweigh the defeats. Unlike Obama, who still appears to believe that politics is about rational argument, and unlike George Bush, who thought it was about vision, Hillary believes it is about breaking things down. She is a disaggregator, who can’t see a problem without trying to make it smaller, more manageable, and only then does she try to fit the pieces back together again. Peace, she tells us, doesn’t necessarily begin with a grand fanfare. Sometimes it comes out of the temporary ceasefire that holds just long enough to make a difference. Part of why this book is so exhausting is its thoroughness: she travels the whole world and tells us about the different challenges she faced, taking them all seriously. Early on she quotes approvingly a maxim from Deng Xiaoping: “Coolly observe, calmly deal with things, hold your position, hide your capacities, bide your time, accomplish things where possible.” The US could do worse than having Deng as its next president.
Perhaps that’s the only option for a powerful woman in the misogynistic rape culture of the U.S.?
Here’s feminist writer Jessica Valenti, also from The Guardian: Hillary Clinton’s book is exactly as ‘safe’ as female politicians are forced to be.
Hillary Clinton’s new book, Hard Choices – a memoir of her time as secretary of state – is finally out, and the critical consensus is that it’s a snore. CNN’s conservative commentator Ana Navarro called it “50 shades of boring” while the network’s liberal contributor Sally Kohn called it “safe” and “dry” – and joked that the book should have been called “Boring Choices“. The New Republic criticized its “dullness and lack of critical energy”. Politico’s Mike Allen called the 596-page book a “newsless snore”.
I’m not exactly sure how action-packed the minutiae of a diplomat’s life is supposed to be, but the Hard Choices haters ignore that a “safe” book was Clinton’s only real choice. After all, whenever she’s hinted at being anything other than measured and guarded, Clinton has been attacked as hysterical, a ballbuster or worse. So if people are bored by Hard Choices, they should blame the misogynist expectations of Washington, not the careful crafting of a seasoned politician.
When then-presidential hopeful Clinton teared up on the campaign trail in New Hampshire in 2008, for example, Maureen Dowd penned a column in the New York Times that asked “Can Hillary Cry Her Way Back to the White House?”On CNN, Glenn Beck said, “After spending decades stripping away all trace of emotion, femininity, and humanity, Hillary Clinton broke down and actually cried. … I don’t buy the hype.” On Fox News, Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol called the emotional moment “solipsistic and narcissistic”. Similarly, when Clinton got into a heated exchange during her Benghazi testimony, the New York Post ran a cover of Clinton yelling with her fists clenched; the headline: NO WONDER BILL’S AFRAID.
Any emotion that Hillary Clinton shows has always been used against her, and it has become a kind of stand-in for the many reasons women are said to be oh-so-unfit to lead. The building-up of her protective public armor, post- and potentially pre-White House, isn’t just smart for Clinton personally – it’s essential for the growing national image of women in politics.
It’s clear from reading Hard Choices that sexism – particularly during Clinton’s 2008 run for president – has taken a toll on her. “I knew that it arose from cultural and psychological attitudes about women’s roles in society, but that didn’t make it any easier for me and my supporters,” she writes. Indeed, the frenzy of misogyny was so intense that it’s hard to imagine enduring it all while vying for the most important job in the world.
After seeing the racism that has plagued Barack Obama’s presidency–and has, if anything, increased during his second term–we now know that the misogyny from the media and society as a whole would continue throughout a Hillary Clinton presidency. That is what it will take for a woman to break through that ultimate glass ceiling. If we are going to support Hillary in her fight to do just that we will need to stay awake and aware of the various forms the efforts to bring her down will take. I learned that lesson here yesterday, and I will rely on other Sky Dancers to keep me focused on the ultimate goal. I hope I’ll be strong enough to do the same in return.
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What Hillary likes to read: Hillary Clinton by the Book
Hillary likes mysteries.
I will have to try reading some of these.
Louise Penny posted on fb:
“…Amazing and exciting to read in the New York Times that Hillary Rodham Clinton reads the Gamache books! …”
Hey, Hillary has good taste in books! Donna Leon, Daniel Silva, Alexander McCall Smith, Charles Todd, and Jacqueline Winspear are among my favorite contemporary authors, too.
These are all series authors, btw, so I would suggest starting with the first in each series to get the most pleasure out of them.
Time: No, Hillary Clinton Didn’t Lose Her Cool on NPR
I never saw Hillary’s reaction as losing her cool or “bitchy”, I saw it as defensive. I agree that she can’t back down, but she’s been in this fight before and she knows that the long knives are already being drawn. Of course there will be those people who she can do nothing to please, but the press will follow her every move and whether we like it or not, they create and feed the public impression of the candidates I personally think Hillary is at her best when she’s playing down the critics by brushing them off and employing her great laugh in a “what the hell are you talking about” manner. She has the ability to speak volumes with her facial expressions and to my mind proved during the debates with Barack, which I though she won handily, that a look is worth a thousand words.
I think Hillary’s appearance during the Benghazi hearings, where she was outraged and used that outraged perfectly to put one of the GOP panel members in his place. was one of her finer moments in the public arena, but you can’t survive a long campaign in that mode. I know that Hillary has already forgotten more than I’ll ever know so if she runs I’m sure she’ll handle the press and the pundits exactly as she should.
Run Hillary, RUN!!!!
A little more from Jessica Valenti’s review:
Thank you for linking to Jessica’s review…off to read the whole thing.
I am jumping around the book myself. I think that Runciman is right about this:
Reading her paragraphs is like watching her talk when she is asked a question in an interview. You can see her working through the sentence before she speaks…deliberate. Thorough. Just like when reading her sentences in the book. They are carefully crafted…so to me it is no surprise whatsoever.
Thanks for that insight. I think I’m going to download the book on my Kindle.
You may want to buy the book BB, nice color pictures.
You’re like me, I always look at the photo’s before I read. My husband surprised me and ordered the book, and gave me two nice pens, and yellow sharpie, and a pad of legal paper. We’ve been married as long as Hillary and Bill have.
That’s so sweet.
tbogg pointing out the “prog” fantasies, again …
Speaking as a gay woman who is several years older than Hillary, I can say beyond a shadow of doubt that most heterosexuals came to support gay marriage over time. It was not a “yes I do” or “no I don’t” issue for most of the 20th century. Gay marriage wasn’t a long held freedom issue for most people because until the HIV/AIDS epidemic and the resulting inadvertent outing of many people that L/G activism really fired up. And for the record, I’ve known a lot of L/G’s who didn’t support same sex marriage who believed that “civil unions” were a much better political and social option. I’ve had a number of internet confrontational interactions with gay people who were slow coming to the conclusion that there is no such thing as “separate but equal”. I think most L/G’s have long considered Hillary a friend and a champion of LGBT issues and nothing said or unsaid or implied by the interviewer during that interview will change our minds. We know who our friends are!!!!!
Mouse, I am glad you always get across your true thoughts, like Hillary you have many qualities that I admire. We definitely have a absolute friend with Hillary Clinton.
Right back at you Fannie. I’ve read you’re posts for a while now and I know you’ve been in the civil and human rights trenches for a long time. To my mind, there’s no better way to spend a life. Without straight people who are willing to champion the civil rights issues of the LGBT community we wouldn’t have a chance of success. So thank you girl.
Luv you Mouse. It takes true acceptance to change, as we all have life needs. I am thankful for the support of everyone here at the sky dancing community. We really do a great job of expressing ourselves and making it real for everyone. Who we are comes from our heads, and our hearts, it’s in each one of us. And we build on it everyday, and everyway.
Thank You!
I’ve been in favor of civil unions for all. Then go do your marriage ceremony if you want in a religious rite. The benefits to recognition of married status are predominantly secular: retirement, health benefits, sometimes property (though that property aspect can turn into a liability in the wrong circumstances). Marriage as an institution has stood for an unequal power relationship between partners for millennia. So I’m suspicious if it’s the best institution for equal-power relationships, whether same or differing genders.
Poll: As Hillary Clinton re-enters politics, her numbers drop (but it’s not all bad news)
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/as-hillary-clinton-re-enters-politics-her-numbers-drop-poll/
Hillary Clinton: “Maybe it’s just the wonderful wealth of experience that I’ve now had. Maybe it’s because I am totally done with being careful about what to say because somebody might think this instead of that,” she said. “It just gets too exhausting and frustrating and it just seems a whole lot easier to just put it out there and hope people get used to it.”
I don’t think she really ever left politics…………she’s been speaking, debating, and writing her book. I’d tell her, keep up those long, nice and long walks you have with Bill, with your daughter, with your friends.
The GOP playbook is, create a false narrative, then sell it. We watched Romney do this in 2012, especially in campaign advertising by taking Obama’s words out of context. Now we’re already seeing the guns being cranked up against Hillary. I don’t know if I can take this again!!!
Anti-Gay MRC Has No Credibility To Attack Clinton On LGBT Issues
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/06/13/anti-gay-mrc-has-no-credibility-to-attack-clint/199724
That’s actually funny that they believe it would hurt Hillary.
It is funny. I don’t know who they think they’re going to score points with using that strategy. But hell, these are the same people whose Presidential Convention motto was “you didn’t build that”. Dumb cluckers!!!
I’m honored to have been called out in your post, bb. Thank you. But I didn’t do anything extraordinary, I just respectfully disagreed with some of the comments. You and all of the other Sky Dancers have created a place where we can disagree, correct each other, and learn from one another. The accolades go to everyone here who shows respect for other commenters. Where else on the internet does this level of civil discourse exist? Thank you for letting me stop by occasionally. And of course, thanks to Fannie for posting the link to the interview along with her comments.
I agree Janicen. This blog is a jewel and it’s great to be able to agree or respectfully disagree without feeling that you’ve been roasted. 🙂 BB, Dak and JJ do a great job everyday and I never read a blog post here that I don’t appreciate all their hard work.
Thanks so much, Mouse. That means a lot to me.
Long applause! Agree with Mouse
Hi Janicen,
I think it’s great that we have all known each other so long that we can share our thoughts and feelings here and change each others’ minds in supportive ways. I hope that makes sense.
I does. It’s great here. We are all lucky to have each other.
We have been together so long now that when we disagree, which is seldom, it is done respectfully. We truly listen and learn from one another. That is so rare among blogs and a real tribute to BB, Dak, and JJ, as well as the commenters here. I, too, am very grateful for this community. Love to you all!
Thanks, Beata. Love and hugs to you!
BB, you are a remarkable woman. Like everybody here, I respect your opinions, and all the input you have shared with us. You have covered the topic well today, defining and pointing out the issues with misogyny, especially when it come Hillary Clinton and the presidency. With her book out, we now have a flood of haters, and they are going to wake up each morning attacking her, using tactics and tricks that will confuse the voters. It’s like kick off time. Mostly they do this to create fear in voters. She’s stands for respect and is an intelligent powerful woman who uses her “smart power” in ways that improves the entire globe, not just USA. They said it in 2008, and they are saying it now, NOT this woman for president. The GOP hasn’t done a damn thing to help President Obama, and their national pass time is to degrade him, and degrade women, and degrade gay people. We are so hated and loathed by the GOP. In 2008 we asked ourselves why, and the why is all about misogyny and the accepted sexism from the media. It’s a sickness. We have had talks about it here, for many a year.
Hillary has a different vision for America, and I want her to run, to become the next President, despite what people say or feel, I am on her side, I will defend her.
Thank you all, sky dancers, for a place where I can express myself, sometimes in harsh ways, and sometimes in soft ways. You are my friends, you are the best ladies and gents a friend can ask for.
I love hanging out here.
Thanks Fannie. We’re all going to have to hang together to deal with the flood of hate that is coming.
BB, this is a great post. All that shit from ’08 is coming back. Hillary marched in gay pride parades for years before Obama did. Hmmm. Has Obama ever done so? Quick search can’t find anything.
Remember when Hillary voted against FISA, and Obama voted for it? That was OK, because Obama was secretly for against it (riiiiight, how’d that work out?) and was playing 11th dimensional chess. While Hillary’s vote against FISA was OMG a deceptive move by the stupid b*tch who wouldn’t quit. Women are damned if they do and damned if they don’t.
BTW the other week someone mentioned “When Hillary quit in 2008 because she was so far behind….” and I laid into them with what the real history was. I probably came off as “unlikeable,” lol. So, Hillary supporters, dust off those comebacks because it’s the same ol’ shit again.
Persistence!
Yes! Keep going, no matter what!