We’re beginning to hear more interesting news about how an obscure, bad, insulting–but expensive–film made its way to Egypt and how the seemingly related US embassy assault in Libya may have been a 
planned attack. Curiouser and curiouser sez Alice. Some are even suggesting this may be a false flag psyops on the part of Israeli and US neocons to prop up the miserably flailing Romney jerk-a-thon. I noted in my previous post how neocons are dying to start a war with Iran and have been so obvious that the Israeli opposition party leader Shaul Mofaz asked Bibi Netanyahu “Who are you trying to replace? The Administration in Washington or in Tehran?”
The Obama administration suspects that the fiery attack in Libya that killed the American ambassador and three other diplomats may have been planned rather than a spontaneous mob getting out of control, American officials said Wednesday.
Officials in Washington studying the events of the past 24 hours have focused on the differences between the protests at the American embassy in Cairo and the attack on the consulate in Benghazi, the Libyan city where Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens and the other Americans were killed.
The protesters in Cairo appeared to be a genuinely spontaneous unarmed mob angered by an anti-Islam video said to have been produced in the United States. By contrast, it appeared the attackers in Benghazi were armed with mortars and rocket-propelled grenades. Intelligence reports are inconclusive at this point, officials said, but indications suggest the possibility that an organized group had either been waiting for an opportunity to exploit like the protests over the video or perhaps even generated the protests as a cover for their attack.
Would they actually try to blame Al Quada for an operation that could have entirely different roots?
So, there are some interesting entrails found in the mystic and real search for Sam Bacile–an anagram for Cabal is Me–the figure supposedly behind the Terry Jones pushed, anti-Muslim movie that started a series of protests in Egypt and other Muslim countries. Jeffrey Goldberg of The Atlantic is leading a pack of journalists who are trying to determine his real identity and his real purpose.
As part of my search for more information about Sam Bacile, the alleged producer of the now-infamous anti-Muhammad film trailer “The Innocence of Muslims,” I just called a man named Steve Klein — a self-described militant Christian activist in Riverside, California (whose actual business, he said, is in selling “hard-to-place home insurance”), who has been described in multiple media accounts as a consultant to the film.
Klein told me that Bacile, the producer of the film, is not Israeli, and most likely not Jewish, as has been reported, and that the name is, in fact, a pseudonym. He said he did not know “Bacile”‘s real name. He said Bacile contacted him because he leads anti-Islam protests outside of mosques and schools, and because, he said, he is a Vietnam veteran and an expert on uncovering al Qaeda cells in California. “After 9/11 I went out to look for terror cells in California and found them, piece of cake. Sam found out about me. The Middle East Christian and Jewish communities trust me.”
Klein told me that Bacile, the producer of the film, is not Israeli, and most likely not Jewish, as has been reported, and that the name is, in fact, a pseudonym. He said he did not know “Bacile”‘s real name. He said Bacile contacted him because he leads anti-Islam protests outside of mosques and schools, and because, he said, he is a Vietnam veteran and an expert on uncovering al Qaeda cells in California. “After 9/11 I went out to look for terror cells in California and found them, piece of cake. Sam found out about me. The Middle East Christian and Jewish communities trust me.”
He said the man who identified himself as Bacile asked him to help make the anti-Muhammad film. When I asked him to describe Bacile, he said: “I don’t know that much about him. I met him, I spoke to him for an hour. He’s not Israeli, no. I can tell you this for sure, the State of Israel is not involved, Terry Jones (the radical Christian Quran-burning pastor) is not involved. His name is a pseudonym. All these Middle Eastern folks I work with have pseudonyms. I doubt he’s Jewish. I would suspect this is a disinformation campaign.”
Cannonfire even suggests that it may be a psyops campaign. Supposedly, the elusive Bacile is ‘hiding out’.
Bacile, a California real estate developer who identifies himself as an Israeli Jew, said he believes the movie will help his native land by exposing Islam’s flaws to the world. “Islam is a cancer, period,” he said repeatedly, his solemn voice thickly accented.
The two-hour movie, Innocence of Muslims, cost $5 million to make and was financed with the help of more than 100 Jewish donors, said Bacile, who wrote and directed it. The film claims Muhammad was a fraud. The14-minute trailer of the movie that reportedly set off the protests, posted on the website YouTube in an original English version and another dubbed into Egyptian Arabic, shows an amateur cast performing a wooden dialogue of insults disguised as revelations about Muhammad, whose obedient followers are presented as a cadre of goons. It depicts Muhammad as a feckless philanderer who approved of child sexual abuse, among other overtly insulting claims that have caused outrage.
Muslims find it offensive to depict Muhammad in any manner, let alone insult the prophet. A Danish newspaper’s 2005 publication of 12 caricatures of the prophet triggered riots in many Muslim countries.
Though Bacile was apologetic about the American who was killed as a result of the outrage over his film, he blamed lax embassy security and the perpetrators of the violence. “I feel the security system (at the embassies) is no good,” said Bacile. “America should do something to change it.”
A consultant on the film, Steve Klein, said the filmmaker is concerned for family members who live in Egypt. Bacile declined to confirm.
Again, the Bacile facade appears to be unravelling. Adrien Chen of gawker calls him a “ghost”. Perhaps “spook” is a better moniker.
If Bacile isn’t Jewish, perhaps he’s connected instead to the Copts, the Egyptian Christian sect. The film has been promoted by the conservative U.S.-based Coptic minister (and friend of Terry Jones) Maurice Sadek. Bacile says he speaks Arabic and has relatives in Egypt, according to Klein—even though “fewer than 100 Jewish people” live in Egypt, according to journalist Laura Rozen.
Why did Bacile pretend to be an Israeli Jew? Maybe he cooked up the persona and shadowy cabal of Jewish funders in an attempt to further inflame the situation. The only thing we know for sure about Bacile: He’s a terrible filmmaker.
Klein, by the way, was profiled by the Southern Poverty Law Center, which describes him as an “extremist” who has led anti-Muslim protests.
“In 1977, he founded Courageous Christians United, which now conducts ‘respectful confrontations’ outside of abortion clinics, Mormon temples and mosques,” the SPLC reports. “Klein also has ties to the Minuteman movement. In 2007, he sued the city of San Clemente for ordering him to stop leafleting cars with pamphlets opposing illegal immigration.”
I’ve just been pointed to this Right Wing Watch page by reader pdgrey.
Morris Sadek, an Egyptian-American anti-Muslim activist, managed in one week’s time to take an overlooked YouTube video featuring a lame attack on Islam and turn it into a flashpoint with violent extremists, with deadly consequences. As the New York Times reported last night, Sadek drew attention to the obscure video clip “in an Arabic-language blog post and an e-mail newsletter in English publicizing the latest publicity stunt of the Florida pastor Terry Jones, reviled in the Muslim world for burning copies of the Koran.” Within days the clip was making the rounds in Egypt, prompting denunciations from politicians and generating press coverage, and culminating in protests and a deadly attack in Libya.
Sadek, who has worked with Jones in the past, says he is fighting for the rights of his fellow Coptic Christians in Egypt. Unfortunately he seems much more focused on attacking Muslims than helping the Copts. Sadek pulled his Facebook profile around 1 pm today, but we were able to take a look beforehand. Here’s what we found.Sadek is a supporter of ACT! for America, which believes that President Obama has embraced the Muslim Brotherhood. The group rallied its supporters last month behind Michelle Bachmann’s anti-Muslim witch hunt against Huma Abedin and others. Here’s Sadek with ACT! For America president Brigitte Gabriel at one of the group’s 2010 events.Sadek is a man of many interests. He’s a member of these groups, among many others: Islam is of the Devil, Warriors of Christ, and OBAMA IS THE WORST PRESIDENT EVER! Agree?. Sadek is also a fan of the Republican Party, George Bush, Allen West (for president no less!), and number of other Islamophobic, conservative and/or Republican institutions and leaders.
Cannonfire and other folks in the film business cannot believe that $5 million was spent on the film. This begs the question “where did the money go”?
Though Bacile claims he spent $5 million on the movie — a figure that would put the film’s on par with the Toronto festival entrant Julianne Moore-starrer What Maisie Knew — the 13 minutes of footage available online look unprofessional. Furthermore, Bacile has virtually no footprint in the Hollywood community. The writer-director-producer has no agent listed on IMDBPro and no credits on any film or TV production.”
So, Joseph thinks this. I actually think this is a possibility. Read my previous post on the NEOCON and BIBI hakas. Romney has promised them a war. Obama seems unlikely to start another one given he just would up one and is trying to wind up a second one.
You would have to be a child not to understand what’s really going on here. This is the most obvious psyop conspiracy I’ve ever seen.
Neocons in America and Israel concocted this plot long ago. I would stake my life on it.
We can state with the certainty of a geometrical proof that Sam Bacile is a Mossad asset — a “sayan” — and that he did what he did under orders, not of his own initiative. The motive is transparent: Likudniks want the United States to attack Iran, and they know that Obama won’t do it. Romney will. He has made that point very clear. Thus, Israeli war hawks concocted a plan to make sure Romney gets into office.
The conspirators made this film for the express purpose of provoking a violent reaction, which would, in turn give the Republicans a political cudgel to wield against the president.
I do not doubt for a second the presence of provocateurs on the ground in Cairo and Libya. (How did they even know about the YouTube clip?) I also believe that this plan would have remained “on hold” if Romney had attained a comfortable lead.
I’m pretty sure that CIA had nothing to do with this. Only Israeli intelligence is so reckless.
So, the next question is this. Was Libya really an “Al Quada” thing or perhaps something else? Does some one want to see the change of the Guard back to the good ol’ days of Rommie, Wolfie, and Bolton? Was this an attempt at a September Surprise that is going terribly wrong? Are these all ‘actors’ of sorts wearing topaz bronze make up and hoping for either the “end days” or the Likkud vision of the Middle east?
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See, this is what happens when “lies” are accepted as just a political reality and are discussed as if “merit” could be found buried within.
None of of know just what to believe. What’s true or what isn’t. When possible conspiracies that have worldwide consequences are truth or inventions to get us to take a walk on a road to disaster.
We have been lied to so often, so easily, and with such finesse that even this event is surrounded in theories without facts and we seriously have no idea of who is telling the truth or who we can believe.
Without challenging those who deliberately lie to us we are left with the skepticism that should never be there to begin with.
Pretending that the liar has a valid point is the first step toward tyranny that we invite ourselves to take shape.
This may be one of those times.
It worked with Iraq, which is why I’m a little worried.
ditto
I’m getting that “build-up to Iraq” feeling. Maybe I just need to get out more. 🙂
You’re not alone on that.
When I wrote in the previous thread “take a look” at Cannon’s post, I was not implying that I agree with it. I do find it interesting food for thought.
The truth is we don’t know the truth.
I was actually headed that direction prior to seeing that thread, Beata. It looks really suspicious with all these things … just thing of how Romney jumped out there with the comment and the smug look quickly.
To be honest, this sounds to me like a very half-baked version of the Reagan/Bush October Surprise–getting Iran to hold onto the hostages until after the inauguration. I can’t help but be suspicious of what Romney and Netanyahu talked about on Romney’s visit. It seems likely to me that Romney has guaranteed war with Iran if elected. There’s something very fishy going on here.
Fortunately the media generally found Romney’s behavior crude, crass, and wildly inappropriate. The WaPo has an editorial already.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-death-of-an-ambassador/2012/09/12/ed3b719e-fcfa-11e1-b153-218509a954e1_story.html
In the face of all this information and speculation (irresponsible not to speculate). What with all the Israel dustup headlines, this is a very good read as to what’s really happening.
FAQ on the Bibi-Obama Spat
Why no mention in this article about the 36-year-long friendship between Mitt and Bibi and its possible role in the Bibi-Obama “spat’? Both Mitt and Bibi have talked about their friendship. It’s not a secret, yet the press seems to ignore it.
Romney’s been telegraphing for months that he would launch a pre-emptive attack against Iran and in this interview he says he doesn’t think as POTUS he would need congressional approval. This is one dangerous mutha!!!
For what it’s worth, I just did an Intelius check on Steven Bacile and Stephen Bacile. There are no records for either in the state of California. However, there is one in Dearborn, Michigan, which has the highest per-capita Islamic population in the U. S.
I thought his name was Sam.
There’s a whoops on my part. Just did the check on Sam Bacile. There’s a Samantha Bacile in Picayune, MS and that’s it as far as public records in the United States are concerned.
Should I go check her out? 😉
yup … SAM or so it’s said
I searched for Samuel Bacile and Shmuel Bacile. Didn’t find anyone by either name in the U.S.
I had an uncle named Shmuel. 😉
After what we learned yesterday from Kurt Eichenwald about the Neocons ignoring the pleas from the intelligence community to heed warnings of an impending terrorist attack on U.S. soil and instead choosing to believe, and then acting on, fabricated intelligence about Iraq’s WMDs, I have to believe there is something rotten about this story. I’m sure no one person has yet nailed it all down, but I hope to hell a massive investigation is launched and the people responsible for this murder are brought to justice.
Obama said about Romney that he had a tendency to shoot first and aim later. As President, you can’t do that.
Video. It’s in an interview for 60 Minutes with Steve Kroft today.
Obama On Romney’s Libya Response: ‘Shoot First And Aim Later’
Great line!
I thought Obama handled it with a lot of dignity while at the same time making Romney look like an amateur.
RJ @EastsideRJ
Stupid Obama! You’re supposed to start a 10+ year war right now, preferably in the wrong country. Didn’t you see Dubbya’s post-it notes?
Experienced foreign policy advisors in both parties criticize Romney–“incompetent”: http://tinyurl.com/9oulmuh
Obama is screwed, he used the word “facts”, and we know Mitt don’t like that.
I am with you Ralph, best campaign line yet……………shoot first and aim later.
Not only a great line, but the WAY he said it. Romney has to be gnashing his teeth right now.
That’s Romney’s MO. Shoot-Fire-Aim.
or is it Fire-Ready-Aim?
I would go with Fire-Ready-Aim. Fire still in the holster and shoot yourself in the foot 🙂
That sounds about right.
OT. I was surprised to see this in my usually liberal state, though if it happens it will be after Nov ’12:
http://seattletimes.com/text/2019128291.html
They are trying to do it here in MA too.
Good ole Rush has his own conspiracy theory – the media is out to get Romney & conspiring with each other to accomplish this goal: http://www.politicususa.com/rush-limbaugh-claims-romneys-libya-disaster-media-conspiracy-protect-obama.html
How do people listen to his BS? He’s nothing more than a very high paid carnival barker, snake oil salesman.
Okay, that kinda tells me there’s something the radical right is trying to hide. *twitch twitch!
The Wingnutosphere will fire up some Fauxrage to keep their followers angry and keep them on board the sinking ship. Nothing works better than a “librul conspiracy”.
I wish more people would deny hate groups acting like news outlets access.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/12/muslim-group-bans-daily-caller-from-event-for-being-a-hate-group/
Is there sometime I should just give up?
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/12/man-accused-of-tebowing-after-assaulting-17-year-old-boy/
I would like to point out that Romney did the smirk while speaking.
My sister and I saw “IN the speech the smirk , look again if you can stand it, and then the Asshole leaving the stage smirk, “nailed it”. So far people have only noticed the photo smirk of him leaving the stage.
There’s a post at The Atlantic wire which has photos of his different smirks after each statement. It’s a bear.
I saw photos of him actually smiling during the statement or responding to questions.
Here’s a so true quote that media just doesn’t understand.
At the Maddowblog, Steve Benen wrote, “It’s a familiar pattern: Romney says something classless and untrue; he gets called out for his mendacity; then he repeats the falsehood under the cynical assumption that voters are easily fooled and there will be no consequences. This time, however, the GOP candidate is trying the strategy while trying to exploit deadly violence against Americans abroad.”
And now for Pat Robertson’s take on today’s tragedy & his unbiased opinion of Muslims & their faith: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/12/pat-robertson-muslims-go-crazy-because-they-have-the-spirit-of-a-wild-donkey/ Everyone knows just how wild & crazy those donkeys can get.
I hope he said this behind the fence of the mental insitution.
OT & possibly good news for Pussy Riot: http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/09/dmitry-medvedev-free-pussy-riot.html
Well, that’s good news.
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/09/take-three-romney-camps-new-explanation-of-libya-reaction-still-doesnt-make-sense.php?ref=fpb
Take three, isn’t that special. lying Asshole
WAPO editorial ripped him a new one too:
Mr. Romney’s rhetoric on embassy attacks is a discredit to his campaign
You just can’t be too cynical. It’s impossible,
Did you just watch Dan Senor on CNN? Is there a word for going being cynical? Is every one in the Romney campaign an ignorant, incompetent asshole?
No. Glad I missed him. Remember him too well from Iraq! But, yes it seems the Romney campaign is full of ignorant, incompetent assholes.
Yes, Dak, and I would love to go back to jj’s Shakespeare insult list.
More information.
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/09/sam_bacile_film_embassy_attacks.php?ref=fpnewsfeed
Yeah, when fucking lying asshole just won’t cut it.
JJ – you never fail to make me laugh in times of terrible uncertainty. Never lose that gift.
My dad had a few books of Shakespearean insults–also decks of cards! That’s what happens when you are an English professor.
CSMonitor.com @csmonitor
Obama’s health-care law saved Americans $2.1 billion: Is it working? http://bit.ly/ULDM1c
http://laist.com/2012/09/12/actors_says_they_were_duped_into_wo.php
Well wonder what their career is going to be like now. Right-wing commericals?
Here’s another one …http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20120912/us-egypt-filmmaker/
I’m wondering if anyone got photos of “Bacile” while on set. The actress interviewed said Bacile spoke Arabic on set with some “dark-skinned” men who hung around. Unless she speaks Arabic, how would she know for certain it was Arabic?
I really don’t want to jump to another subject, this is insane that a candidate for president would do this. But here is a way back machine that I see could happen again, an article that makes me just as mad.
http://susiemadrak.com/2012/09/12/karl-roves-secret-kingdom/
Gee, thanks for sharing. Karl Rove – performing transvaginal ultrasounds on the voting public. Sorry, but that story just made me feel as if I’d been violated.
Quick, go to CNN and look at Norm Coleman his teeth look like a white washed fence.
Wes Clark did OK. Erin Burnett seems clueless a lot of the time to me.
But I swear to Mary, if you did not see his teeth, you missed a cinematic first.
Saw them. They were weird.
I think his teeth were backlit. 🙂
More support for Neocon conspiracy theory?
War criminal speaks!
The waterboard king thinks he’s qualified to define weakness? What a prick
Damn Don Rumsfeld. Why doesn’t he STFU. He brought as much grief upon our nation as anyone in the Bush Regime.
Out of curiosity I surfed through a few ratfucker blogs, they’re screaming support for the filmmaker (who they think is Jones, but I just read he may not have been involved) and support for koran burning. And then there’s the defense of RMoney as if he’s some sort hero riding in to save us all. It seriously sounds as if some folks want to go war over this.The hatred toward islam/muslims is astounding. I need some Tums.
Such is life with wingnut brain malfunction 🙂
You know, the reporters we have given “the shout out today” for stepping up, after watching PBS, CNN, I believe now they only disagree with the statement coming out to early. The media is going to let this go into a FP debate like it’s just a difference of opinion.
They gotta keep the election close. Think of their ratings!
You have to see this!
Joe Klein Shreds Bibi Netanyahu
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/09/joe-klein-shreds-bibi-netanyahu/262311/
Damn it’s good to see some reality intrude again.
That was fantastic. Finally, someone who knows what he is talking about.
His son is in the foreign service. I usually don’t care for Joe Klein, but he made a lot of sense this morning.
And Klein is using what Romney doesn’t possess, common sense. Iran can not use a nuclear weapon against Israel. It is a deterent, nothing more, nothing less. Iran would be wiped from the face of the earth within minutes if they launched.
Those of us who lived through the cold war. Those of us who were shuttled to air raid shelters with the wail of sirens all around, those of us labeled with dogtags etched with next-of-kin info, those of us forced to hide under our school desks, we know there is no one-upsmanship in nuclear war. Whoever fires first dies second, and from there all the dominoes fall. The end!!!!!
Wow, Wow,Wow, Joe Klein makes statements back to back that are real and important, it makes me think he is so worried about Romney becoming president and totally destroying Israel he will stop playing his political shit for a moment.
Pres Clinton spoke today in Orlando. Here’s a link to the report & a short clip of his speech. Val Demings, who introduces him, is running for the House…..in my district. Yes, I’m voting for her & she is pro-choice. http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Bill-Clinton-campaigns-for-President-Obama-in-Orlando/-/1637132/16575296/-/i6iqqf/-/index.html
Beltway Bob is helping out the Right, Mr. middle of the road, help me keep my job, has on Michael Medved!, really, are we back to Bomb, bomb, bomb?