On the Phone with Thom Defrank: Can we get a Retraction Now Please?

One thing that I’ve learned about Pumas is that follow-up and follow through are obsessions.  Nothing comes between a Puma and the Truth. Right after I saw SimoFish’s video, I posted it here then linked to No Quarter and Camille and Blues’ Bitterpolitcz.  I picked up the youtube link at RiverDaughter’s  The Confluence the moment SimoFish posted it. Isn’t it amazing how quickly inspiration and revolution can spread these days?  SimoFish’s video with its two follow ups went viral shortly thereafter.  Why?  Because every PUMA took that video link and went on the prowl.  I had no idea how widespread the Puma movement had become until this blog started getting pingbacks from all sorts of places.  I tried to get the videos up as soon as I could because I knew exactly how starved we all were for some Hillary wonkyness after several weeks of Baracky vagueness.  I immediately emailed  Just Say No Deal (Nicely led by a PR Genius Princess Wears Prada) where it became a press release.  Within a few moments,  Gary Chapel Hill had posted the analysis and linked it to earlier work by Alegre.  However, the best Puma growl was  the creative and brave work of Guilda of Bitterpolitcz. She is one very bitter and brilliant  Camillion.  Most of us just dropped the video link where ever we could.  Guilda did us all one better.  She called Thom DeFrank and blogged it live for us.  She later posted his response.  I’ve reposted it all here because there’s nothing like networking and teamwork to see a plan through.  I think the DNC and Senator Obama should be very afraid of the audacity of PUMAs everywhere!

My question of the day? What will the NY Daily Times say now?

guilda // August 1, 2008 at 5:56 pm

On the phone with Thom DeFrank

Guilda // August 1, 2008 at 6:29 pm

I just got off the phone with Thom DeFrank. I started the conversation by asking him to retract his story. He told me that the news came from a person high up in the Clinton campaign, who talks with Hillary on a daily basis. I them told him about the video and he asked me to email it to him and I did.

He was very nice and said that if what I say is true about the video and this person doesn’t have a reasonable response as to why he told him this story, he will never trust that source again.

He said one or three things may have happened 1)Hillary changed her mind 2)Hillary knew he was going to tell Thom the story and she wanted to beat the story down(which I don’t believe for onwe minute!) and 3) The source lied to him. He’s going to watch the video and get back to me. When he does, I’ll let you know his response.

I also told him that I will never vote for Obama. He said, “so you’d rather have McCain as opposed to Obama?” I sad “Thom, I’d rather have four more years of BUSH, than one MONTH of Obama!” He was quite taken aback by that. He said, you know- that’s a very strong statement. I said, Thom- I do not trust him period. I don’t like the company he keeps and I don’t feel that he will make decisions that are good for this country and to keep Democracy in place. I also said that I truly believe he wants the “title”, but not the job.

guilda // August 1, 2008 at 6:34 pm

He was so nice. And he tahnked me for being civil, because aparently, he’s gotten callers that have not been as nice as me. -)

He thinks part of why Hillary got the treatment in the press that she’d gotten, was because apparently, the Clinton’s were not very press friendly, so…some of it might have been payback. So I asked him if he truly feels that that statment justifies how she was treated and he said it doesn’t justify it, it just that probably came into play

guilda // August 1, 2008 at 6:35 pm

Thank you, ladies!

I have to admit that when I first called, I was ready to be defensive, but then he turned out to be very nice and it developed from there.

Told me to call him anytime!

guilda // August 1, 2008 at 6:41 pm

I also told him that I was truly appaled at the news cycle this primamry season. I told him that I used to depend on newspapers like the Daily News, Wall St, Journal and the like to give me TRUE reports of what’s going on in the world, not just some bullshit that people tell them to write.

Then we got into what true journalism is and that’s how the stuff about the Clinton’s and the press came about.

He agreed that it was pretty brutal and he also said that the last 2 months of the primaries, that she was definitely the stonger candidate.

Everybody knows it…they all do…so why won’t people stand up?

*sigh*

guilda // August 1, 2008 at 6:49 pm

Here’s his response! That was quick! -)

I really enjoyed our chat and have now listened to the entire YouTube segment you sent me. Respectfully, all she says is that no decisions have been made. The paper’s story quotes a Clinton aide saying the same thing. That aide is several rungs down the ladder in the Clinton campaign. She would not know the state of play. In other words, my source is far better placed.

Senator Clinton saying no decisions have been made is hardly a definitive knockdown. I believe in the end she’ll have the best of both worlds: she won’t have her name placed in nomination – insulating her from charges that she’s either a sore loser or a spoiler. But she will have the satisfaction of seeing hundreds of her admirers vote for her anyway. Remember, delegates are free to vote for her even if her name isn’t placed in nomination. That formulation is the savvy way to go, and she’s nothing if not savvy.

Regardless, I hope you’ll call again. I always enjoy the dialogue, especially with callers as civil and passionate as you, which is not always the case.

Sincerely, Tom DeFrank

I still say she wants her name placed in nomination. I wonder what the hell they’re saying to her.

For some great analysis, please see http://tominpaine.blogspot.com/2008/08/new-york-daily-news-and-their-bogus.html by Marc Rubin.

Amazing what a little creative networking by some really determined patriots will do!  Can you imagine what Paul Revere might have done if he’d had access to the Internet?  One IM if by day, TWO PINGS if by night.

UPDATE:  SimoFish’s Video has hit the MSM:  this is from 8/7 and ABC

http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=5531475


5 Comments on “On the Phone with Thom Defrank: Can we get a Retraction Now Please?”

  1. josgirl's avatar josgirl says:

    Hi, dakinikat,
    I’ve visited often, but this is probably my first time commenting.
    Methinks the gentleman is talking out of both sides of his a.., err, mouth.
    He quotes “a source close to,” an “insider,” Kathleen Strand and at least one other source.
    He doesn’t imply that these are all the same person, or that Ms. Strand, who is the one who says no decision has been made, is the original source or even how that impacts the premise of his story.
    According to him, somebody in the Clinton camp told him specifically that HRC would not place her name in nomination.
    That is a decision.
    Ms. Strand’s qouted statement alone refutes that.
    He might be nice, but I still don’t understand where he’s coming from.

  2. Annetoo's avatar Annetoo says:

    The timing of this story is odd, coming out just as Hill was saying the opposite . It so reminds me of the June 3rd “she’s conceding “lies stories while people were still voting . I think what can be taken away from this is PUMA and the brave 300 Hillary delegates are making an impact. So the Obama/DNC reaction is to try to remove Hillary from the equation. But even her unity argument to Obama and the DNC is , put my name in nomation, because you won’t have unity without my voters being heard. It would be the smart thing to do. But Obama is too chicken shit to ever chance winning anything on his own. Everything he does HAS to be totally gamed, or he won’t do it . So he refuses this excellent advice. He is such a disaster.

  3. wow….i’m late reading this — the past 7 days have been crazy — GOOD FOR YOU FOR CONNCTG DIRECT with this journalist…

    it was deja vu of the primary season ALL OVER AGAIN…and reminded me of how infuriated i used to get … and also what inspired me to start our blog…hireheels.com

    thanks for staying so engaged…i posted this on justsaynodeal blogbox (better late than never!!)

    u going to denver?? if so, email me!

  4. EMJ's avatar EMJ says:

    So ask him (and other) journalists why they’re not doing good investigative journalism on the question of a roll call in Denver. It would be unprecedented NOT to have one, and yet the MSM seems so surprised at the remote possibility that Hillary’s name would be placed in nomination!!

    NY TImes today final started to get it, but even they are a far cry from asking tough questions. It’s like, “I guess we’ll just skip democracy when it might really matter.”