Sunday Reads: The Fuckening
Posted: November 20, 2022 Filed under: 2022 Elections, 2024 Elections, Black Lives Matter, Congress, court rulings, Crime, Elon Musk, Fox News, morning reads, open thread, Political and Editorial Cartoons, Twitter 21 Comments
the fuckening
When your day is going too well and you don’t trust it and some shit finally goes down
Ah, there it is, the fuckening.
Hello, yes…The Fuckening has begun, and from what has been said on the real verified Twit accounts (not those that paid for there blue check) it seems that it is just a matter of time now before Twitter finally bites the dust.
Veep predicted everything!
And now, the cartoons via Cagle website:
I know I posted this information about Shanquella Robinson before, but it’s important.
That is all…this is an open thread.
peej
Carissa
bostonboomer
dakinikat
ecocatwoman
grayslady
mablue2
JJ Lopez aka Minkoff Minx
NW Luna
peggysue22
quixote
skydancingguestblogger
Mona (aka Wonk the Vote)
Sky Dancing 
This:
Do you know what today is?
It is Transgender Day of Remembrance…
And I am so fucking pissed at myself. I was going to post something about today being Trans Day of Remembrance in the thread…but I didn’t. Because I did not want to get into a “discussion” about trans women and “biological women” …I will never do this again.
This mass shooting at a gay nightclub, which puts on drag shows on Saturday nights…is a fucking hate crime. And it is boosted by people who partake in hate speech and pass it off as free speech. I don’t have room for that anymore. I have tried to express my dismay at some of the language used here…I have stood back lately…no more.
I will call it out when I see it.
As for the horrifying murder and injury brought on in Colorado Springs…it breaks my heart and there are not enough words to express my sadness and utter disgust at the loss and pain inflicted on this community. Peace and blessings to the people who have been affected by this hateful mass killing.
That is all I’m going to say on the matter. I am too upset to come back here and defend a position that should not need defense.
The community is on high alert here as the fear of a copycat is great. I just don’t know what to say about this kind of hatred that just explodes into violence. If only it wasn’t so easy to get powerful guns.
Apparently this guy was arrested previously for making bomb threats against his mother, but no bombs were found and he was released. This is why we need red flag laws to be passed and enforced.
I heard the murderer was badly beaten by his potential victims.
According to heavy.com, the Colorado Springs shooter is the grandson of this guy.
JJ, you may be talking about me, and if so I am sorry there is disagreement. It’s terrible that this shooting happened. There is no excuse for violence. The murderer’s first recorded contact with the law was threatening to blow his mother up with a bomb — he was targeting a woman that time. Male violence is the problem.
I have repeatedly said that trans-identified people should not face discrimination in housing, employment, schooling etc. “Gender non-conforming” people aren’t a problem. Men can wear makeup and skirts just like some did in the 70s and 80 and that’s fine. It just doesn’t make them men — they’re just wearing stereotypical feminine clothing and makeup.
Human rights do not include men in women’s same-sex spaces and sports, nor male rapists being put into women’s prisons, nor men in women’s rape-survivor shelters. Human rights do not include men threatening and telling lesbians to sleep with men. If trans-ID’d men really turned into women they’d understand why we need women’s same-sex spaces.
Biological reality is not hate nor violence. Advocating for women’s rights is not hate speech.
Fouratt had come out to support the Let Women Speak event. It’s a version of the UK Speaker’s Corner tradition in Hyde Park, London.
Well, me too, I’m guessing. I just don’t know how else to say it to make clear that trans rights are fine. Where what trans people want conflicts with women’s rights — physical safety and privacy are definitely rights — the only way you can say trans needs are more important is in a world where women don’t count. If they count, they have rights. They can’t be told to make way every time there’s a conflict.
Nobody who cares about rights, including plenty of trans people, has a problem with that.
And I guess I’m feeling pretty angry that a mass murder should be an occasion to say that standing up for women’s rights is somehow related to a murdering mindset.
(if it’s the feeling on the blog that you don’t want this comment here, I’ll delete it. Part of me is sorry to be saying this. Part of me is that angry at what feels like a step too far.)
Speaking of rights to physical safety…. Anyway, I’ll go make noise somewhere else now.
I feel as JJ does and I am tired of this ‘discussion’ that is actually a monologue. Today of all days, with the murders in Colorado Springs, it is cruel and insensitive. Please stop.
I think you and I posted at the same moment. It’s not a monologue. At least a duologue…? Anyway, my simultaneous comment would be my response.
I’ll never understand why talking about how women’s rights and femicide is considered cruel and insensitive.
The people at that club were killed by a man, not a woman, as is the case in nearly all mass shootings.
Twisting another woman’s words around (mine above which were obviously specifically about transgender people, not about women’s rights or femicide) is beneath you, Luna.
I am done here.
Beata, no!, what? (what is going on here?) Really, I think you may be misunderstanding Luna. ?? She’s horrified by what happened. Her comments re women aren’t directed at you. I think she’s just trying to stress that biology and feminism are _not_ anti-trans. Same as everyone here.
Here is a LGB (without the T) organization. Not hating, not threatening violence:
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My only response to the above is this. If you are unable to sign up for a new social app (like Mastodon) because you usual dialogue is considered “hateful” for most, if not all, the servers of said social app…(and they would ban you or your comments) then chances are, you are participating in speech that many associate as hate against the LGBTQ+ community. (This is in regards to a discussion earlier last week where some made comments that they would not be able to post their views on Mastodon without being banned for their views.)
If you want to post on days that I am not writing the thread, do what you like. But going forward…on Sunday and Wednesday, I will not accommodate those feminists who exclude the rights of transgender women from their advocacy of women’s rights. Now. I have said what I have said. See you on Wednesday.
I’ll respect your request not to have me in comments. Before I start, I’d really appreciate if you could explain in what way I don’t respect trans rights? Because I do. It’s not just words. It’s not just friends I feel that way about. Colleagues, students, anybody, I’m all in for dress how you like, work where you like, love who you like. Standing up for women does not exclude trans rights. I really don’t get why it strikes you that way. ?