Sunday Reads: 🖤🤎❤️🧡💛💚💜💙🤍💖
Posted: June 12, 2022 Filed under: 2021 Insurrection, 2022 Primaries, abortion rights, American Gun Fetish, Black Lives Matter, Civil Rights, Domestic terrorism, Donald Trump, fetus fetishists, Fox News, GLBT Rights, Gun Control, hate crimes, Human Rights, January 6 Committee Public Hearings, LGBTQIA+, morning reads, open thread, PLUB Pro-Life-Until-Birth, Political and Editorial Cartoons, Republican politics, right wing hate grouups, the GOP, The Right Wing, white nationalists | Tags: Trans Rights 50 Comments
Good morning, aside from this being #PRIDE month… I’d like to remind our Sky Dancing family that we are all inclusive.
Meaning all are welcome.
However, I’ve been a bit put off by some of the tone against a particular group of the LGBTQ community. Specifically the 🏳️⚧️ T as in Trans…
This dialogue has gotten me upset and uncomfortable, and I have to speak out. If we are to be a blog that accepts the concept that all humans deserve acknowledgment that yes…human rights are exactly what that is…human rights, then Trans rights are Human rights.
Just like Women’s rights are Human rights, Black Lives Matter, Immigrant rights are Human rights, Kids rights are Human rights…it is the statement…Human rights are the fucking floor here!
Respect is standard.
My point being, inclusiveness is the key.
Intersectionality.
And that is not always the message which comes through.
So…let me say, for my own personal self here, that certain opinions and statements in the blog’s comments do not reflect my beliefs in any way. I fully support the LGBTQ community and that includes all, the T for Trans too.
We can be a champion for Women, all Women.
Yes, Women and People get pregnant and Women and People have abortions.
Now that I’ve said what I wanted to say for some time…
Let’s start with something to clear the air:
Now, the cartoons:
Meanwhile…yesterday in Idaho:
“Reclaim America” is what is written on the back of that asshole’s shirt.
We had to put down Beef on Thursday, it turned out to be an exact year to the day since Bebe adopted him.
I’m going to end this post with a trip down memory lane…and this is not meant to be a comment on violence against women. It is more of a comment on how nice Alexis was, she packed up all that luggage for Blake and his “blond tramp” …
Dynasty…sweet…vicious.
This is an open thread. (Please, no anti-Trans comments…at least on Sundays and Wednesdays…)
Have a safe day today. Be careful.
peej
Carissa
bostonboomer
dakinikat
ecocatwoman
grayslady
mablue2
JJ Lopez aka Minkoff Minx
NW Luna
peggysue22
quixote
skydancingguestblogger
Mona (aka Wonk the Vote)
Sky Dancing 
Just to be clear…you should be able to make pro-trans posts on Sundays and Wednesday…but don’t think we should make any comments you believe to be anti-trans on those days?
There is a fundamental conflict between some of the “rights” trans identified males want to claim and the rights of women and girls. And women have every right to talk about that.
Look…comment on anything you want….but some of the things being said are becoming too much for me personally. I am only asking for respect.
Taking a look at our comments people will get the impression that there is a lot of “TERF” ideals supported and accepted…and for myself, I do not agree with these beliefs.
So I am making a stand, for inclusiveness…
And to be clear, I’m not using the word TERF as a slur…
I’m sorry, but in practice, TERF is just the current-day equivalent of feminazi. It’s used to threaten women and try to get them to shut up. It’s what woman-hating leftists dudes use when they know they can’t get away with calling a women a b*itch or a c*nt.
The vast majority of people using that word are using it as a slur. Saying you personally aren’t using it that way in this instance doesn’t change that. I mean it’s right there in the first definition you posted “noun Disparaging”.
BTW, I’m walking away from this for now. I’m tired of this argument. I’m tired of constantly having to decide whether the feminist content on sites I mostly enjoy is worth this.
Everyone have a wonderful Sunday. I’ll be back later in the week I’m sure.
Yep. The real definition of the TERF acronym:
Tired of
Explaining
Reality to
Fuckwits
The definition is also wrong about “excluding trans.” Radfems include trans-identified women, because they are (of course) women. Feminism is for all women.
Is Black Lives Matter ‘inclusive’ of Whites? No, of course not, because it’s focused on Blacks and the removal of the oppression of Blacks.
Feminism is focused on women. It shouldn’t be expected to focus on anything or anyone but females. It is focused on the removal of women’s oppression.
No other movement except feminism is expected to include other interests.
It is often how our efforts as feminists have been diluted.
TERF is a slur. I have nothing against trans people. I don’t care how anyone chooses to identify or dress. I do care when women are erased through language, and I care when women’s safety concerns are ignored. Women are already second class citizens and we will soon be third or fourth class.
What about the calls to kill TERFs? Is that OK? There are even novels dedicated to killing so called TERFs
Agree.
BTW, I do not consider myself to be a radical, and I resent being labeled as one.
I’m sorry Ann, I was not labeling you as one. I was only expressing my feelings about my discomfort regarding some of the comments of late.
I guess I am in the minority here about how I feel towards the LGBTQ community. I think I will take some time off away from the blog. It’s been a wonderful 14 years writing for Sky Dancing…perhaps some time away would be best.
I did not mean it as a slur. I said that when I posted this thread.
I did not know how else to describe the negative discussion about Trans people that I was talking about…
JJ, I didn’t say you called me a radical. I was referring to the assumptions in the term TERF. I have no problems with the LGBT community. I have no problems with anyone who wants to cross dress or call themselves anything they want. I just don’t want to be identified as a person with a vagina.
This is obviously a difficult subject, but I think we should be able to talk about it. I haven’t completely worked out how I feel about all this, except that no one should be discriminated against for who they are.
To make clear the language:
Women are oppressed because of our sex. Gender is the means of that oppression.
Feminists are for the abolition of gender.
Good morning…and Here’s a few things to get you going:
And this little dance number…
Whose got the pain?
I’m so sorry your daughter and family lost a precious pet, JJ. I know how that is. I found out Friday my oldest has a cancer tumor behind his left eye, so we are going into palliative care. He’s too old for surgery. Whether it’s one year or 15, it’s devastating.
I hope you find comfort in your efforts to care for Beef in his last year and help him at the end.
Same here!! Many blessings to Beef on his way to his next adventure !!!!
Thanks Dak.
Thank you for this, and I hope things go calmly with your kitty ….
Always terrible to lose a loved pet. Even worse in a year with too many other troubles. {{{hugs}}}
I’m so sorry about Bebe’s cat. Losing a pet is heartbreaking.
I’m very sorry about Bebe’s kitty.
It tears at the heart to lose a pet.
I’m so sorry to hear about your pet. It’s always too soon, as you say, whether they’re young or old. I hope his last months or years will be peaceful.
Thank you Luna
I’m sorry about your cat Enheduanna. Sending hugs…
It’s hard to believe it has been six years. Such a horrible loss.
Horrifying and necessary read … is this our future?
Horrifying.
Look, I just wanted to make the statement that as one of the writers here on Sky Dancing, I felt the comments were getting to the point that some of our readers would feel uncomfortable visiting or joining in the conversation on the blog. I myself have been incredibly uncomfortable of late and I am not even part of the LGBTQ community. But I have family and friends that I love that are LGBTQ and you can bet your ass I support them completely. For now, I am the only one here on the blog speaking out about this…and that is simply because I could no longer keep quiet. So take it as my voice for the readers who are here and believe that Feminism is inclusive and should be intersectional. I cannot believe otherwise.
The thought of agreeing with assholes like DeSantis for instance…because he is calling for these disgusting discrimination laws against Trans and gay people is beyond comprehension to me. I could never find common ground with these right wing party hacks who are out to pass draconian reproductive and violent gun laws laws to kill women and children and people.
It is all too much for me to handle.
JJ, of course trans-identified people should have human rights! All people should. And I don’t agree with DeSantis’ craziness. The only thing I have in common with DeSantis is knowing that women aren’t men and vice versa. Perhaps I wasn’t clear enough when I’ve commented that I agree with him that girls’ sports shouldn’t include boys — but that I did not agree with him on the rest of his politics?
I’m in support of people wearing whatever they want in terms of clothing and cosmetics. I was (and am still) a tomboy. Today I’d probably be told I was really a boy inside.
LGB doesn’t have anything in common with the TQ, though. LGB is about same-sex attraction. T is about identifying as the gendered, stereotyped behavior expected in current and conservative culture of the opposite sex. It’s also about pressuring others to go along with subjective feelings as if they reflected reality. I’m science-based and won’t do that.
Just as it’s not right for a White person to demand acceptance to a Blacks-only space, it’s not right for men to demand acceptance into women-only spaces and sports. That’s not inclusion– it’s invasion. If men feel unsafe in men’s restrooms, that is a male problem.
I don’t agree with De Santis. Huh?
I’ve gotta drop my two cents’ worth in too. (People who know me will tell you I always gotta drop in my 2c worth
)
Trans people obviously have the same civil rights as everyone else. Everybody here agrees on that.
That someone born male may grow to feel he’s a woman isn’t the issue when it comes to civil rights. They’re *rights*. They’re not based on feelings. Feelings are in the same group with beliefs. Your feelings/beliefs can be the structure for your whole life, but they’re yours. Not anybody else’s. Nobody can put you down for them. Nobody has to share them.
Catholics can be Catholics. They can’t make me be a Catholic. Somebody who’s anti-abortion because they believe the soul animates the zygote from conception can live by that belief. They can’t be forced to abort. Neither can they force me to be pregnant if I don’t share their belief. Trans people can live in whatever way works for them and their near and dear. They can’t force others to redefine women and men so that biology is less important than their beliefs.
The big difference is in how rules apply to your private, social situation versus your legal rights. Supporting your friends and relations is something most of us do. It’s not the same as saying everybody must do it.
The problem with the trans activist position is saying that caring about trans people’s feelings — something we all do in our personal lives — has to be codified into law and everyone has to live according to those beliefs. That does not work.
Just one example: women in prison. The majority have various kinds of abuse by men in their backgrounds. The kind of men who get sent to prison have a pretty high proportion of dishonest characters. Women’s prisons tend to be calmer places than men’s.
Guess where men would rather serve their sentences. No, that’s not the fault of the trans community. But since transness is a feeling there is no way at all to vet who is real and who isn’t. So how long does it take, say, a rapist to figure out that not only can he be personally safer among women, he’s also got access to a whole mass of new victims. This is not theoretical. They made California women’s prisons “inclusive,” and almost instantly had to come up with pregnancy services for the female inmates. The cherry on top is that these guys who discover sudden transness when serving their sentences somehow revert to male when they’re out.
Female prisoners generally don’t want male ones next to them, but guess who doesn’t get asked. Every other group gets to define who belongs in it. Women somehow don’t. Again, it’s fine if your group of women *want* to include transwomen. It’s not fine to dictate that set of feelings and beliefs to others. And the more vulnerable they are, the less fine it is.
Anyway, I should stop writing my usual book-length rants. I don’t know if I’m managing to make clear the distinction between being kind to your friends and having rules to prevent rights from being trampled.
(DeSantis’ just wants male whites on top. Screw him. Not trampling _women’s_ rights is a big part of the resistance to his whole mindset.)
I understand all this…but this is not. What I’m talking about. It just seems like the anti trans and gay / drag rhetoric has become overbearing lately. That is all I’m trying to get across.
Oh, okay, sorry for all the longwinded unnecessariness in that case.
The automobile names — so true! Same with housing developments: Meadow Estates. Whispering Pines Townhouses. Clear Creek Village. Named after all the things that were there before the bulldozers came.
She is great. A stateswoman achieving agreements all over the world. And capable of putting on a pair of sneakers and being a real mensch.
I love Kamala…