Sunday Reads: Observation, Expectation, Disappointment

43d3681214ef4fff82d8871cf3ccc6d2Good Morning

 

This is my first Sunday post of the new year.

2016.

And since last year was such a disappointment, why don’t we continue on that same path…

Fuck all this new year; new beginning bullshit. Stay disheartened and exasperated, to me it is the logical solution.

Let me explain.

Life is made up of expectations.

We all know this…hell, it is something that is drummed into us at an early age. Don’t expect too much, don’t count chickens, I think Dickens wrote a whole book on torment of great expectations. (That is a joke.)

The point being, when you expect a lot from someone and they turn out something real shitty, the disappointment is just too fantastic to get over easily. It takes time. That low you feel is uncomfortable. It creeps along and can make you unsure of yourself.

The HermitIt makes your confidence in others slack as well…it brings your hopes down in other areas too. Next you find you are down about other things that  you may have previously found enjoyable.

Now, if your considerations are substandard to begin with, your disappointment…..followed by dispiritedness and further lack of enthusiasm, will feel less of a burden, in an emotional sense.

You have less of a trip downward in that fall from the height of your great expectations.

I came to this realization after passing around five (5) plus hours of my time on two movies…on the actual eve of the new year.

the_hermit___tarot_card___by_erikemiranda-d8om04oThe two films were westerns. How poetic. Something that I think is symbolic of the original “American” art form of film…in that the mythology of the American Western, its themes and origin stories…heroes, anti-heroes, treatment or mistreatment of women, Native Indians, Mexicans, Chinese and other foreigners…hell there are many books written on the subject, feed into the theme of this post…there is usually an bad ass adversary, the hero must overcome some ridiculous obstacle to battle that adversary and save the day/dame/town. Everyone expects the good cowboy with the white hat to win over the evil dark presence, in the black hat…and that is what usually happened. Even with these films, the “good” won over the “bad” in both movies…

But these were two very different movies from two sides of the extremes…only one film I expected to be very good, excellent, first rate. A movie from a favorite director and screenwriter. A master.  The other I didn’t expect shit. I knew it would be crap, beyond crap really, something disgusting and stupid, that was probably worse than the 2 stars it got on the Netflix review. (Considering that is probably giving the thing credit because those Netflix reviews always seem to rate the crap higher than it is worth.)

 

 

Okay, I will not reveal any spoilers or any plot twist…in fact, I will just make a few observations…

5648548561_2f93be8a01_bThe links below may contain spoilers so read the full reviews at your own leisure. Let me say that the actors did an amazing job…as Tarantino is usually able to get the best out of his cast. I especially thought that Jennifer Jason Leigh was outstanding in a meaty role, extra nice to see a woman in that sort of role at an age (53) when the jobs are infrequent and far between. (Y’all know what I am talking about…)

Samuel L Jackson, the man is always good, in anything he does!

But I am not talking about the performances of the actors…I want to talk about the film itself.

Tarantino has never disappointed me before, well…

I saw Tarantino’s 8th film, and this is what I think about it…

“The Hateful Eight”: Quentin Tarantino’s Playfully Adolescent Filmmaking – The New Yorker

“The Hateful Eight” is a giddy abyss of mise en scène, not only in the cinematic sense of hermit_med_cstaging (the placement of actors and action in the frame) but, even more, in the societal, real-world sense of staging—the faking of an event, an action or self-representation that’s merely for show, a setup or a put-on. The movie offers the careful (even overly careful) presentation of dramatic action. It also offers the narrative trickery of revealing that a situation that several characters encounter—the presence, identities, and intentions of other characters, as well as the circumstances that brought them together—was fabricated by those other characters, who are, in effect, actors portraying still other characters. (When Tarantino ultimately tips his hand and shows viewers how we have been fooled exactly as other characters have been fooled, he also shows the moment when they put their deceptive plan into action and, like actors behind the curtain just before it rises, they hug and send one another out to do their parts and play their roles.)

Tarantino assembles his prismatic film less like a drama than like a collection of 8453898765f650da44ce7056af369c30symbolic elements. The deceptions mount and fall and the masks pile up and come off, in order to reveal unbearable truths of violence and hatred. It’s as if he were howling, film-long, that the Civil War is still the central and unhealed wound of American history, that racial violence filled with sexual implications is the mad hidden lava running beneath the surfaces of American society, that the law as currently constituted is little help and the absence of law would help less, and that—because of the enduring hatreds of racism—American life, with its systems and regulations, is nonetheless an endless and unresolved death trip. The idea is so serious and so significant that it holds attention even when the dramatic and cinematic material that embody it don’t—yet Tarantino’s approach to the subject isn’t just playful; it’s frivolous and callow. He films like a perpetual adolescent who’s making mud pies (or blood pies) with history.

Da Vinci EnigmaTarot Tarot HermitFor all the flamboyance of the actors’ performances Tarantino likes the sound of his own voice above all, and the prolixity of the script resembles not the clatter of a typewriter with weighty keys or the scratch of a pen with its whiff of physical labor but the chatter of a computer keyboard where the virtual page can echo into infinity with Tarantino’s grandiloquence. Not that there’s a problem with cinematic rodomontade—some of the best directorial makers of images with words yield gleefully to it, whether in the on-screen worlds of Sacha Guitry or of Shirley Clarke. But in the effort to make words images Tarantino forgot one thing—to make images images, too—and, as a result, his words sit atop the film like an unprocessed mass, stifling the soundtrack and the pictures alike.

Above all, “The Hateful Eight” reflects Tarantino’s own directorial devolution. The highly inflected images of his early career, built on a worship of such directors as Godard, Martin Scorsese, and Sergio Leone, have given way to a self-imposed flatness, a bland visual delivery of his own script mechanisms, reflecting his latter-day devotion to such minor masters as William Witney and Charles Marquis Warren. In following his changing enthusiasms, his artistry has declined, as well. He has become a victim of his own taste; he has, for the most part, reduced his own directorial inventiveness to the lesser stature of his own new auteur-heroes.

29002ac23cfee5c30a35af2453f8ead2There is a scene in the very beginning, filmed within the stagecoach. I guess the background was CGI for although the movie was filmed outside in a Colorado winter…the indoor set was a refrigerated sound stage, some special effects were used. This short few seconds of CG, was disturbing to me, it was made to look “real”. You know, it seemed very expensively done however it looked too clear for a background, therefore too overly fake. It did not flow with the film, which was 70mm and had a vintage feel to it. That sums up the entire movie for me. All these shots are lacking his Tarantino touch. The music was lacking as well. He would use modern songs and work them with the movement of the camera within the shots. Not so with Hateful Eight. Very much like the last sentence of the review above. This film did not have the style which makes a Tarantino film so unique, and so fucking good.

More reviews on The Hateful Eight:

The Hateful Eight – Little White Lies

fc2c94fc4cb86ee9a0dd4869716acc00As in all of Tarantino’s previous films, scenes exist here solely for the sake of dialogue. Setting aside the (wagon) wheel-spinning tedium of the largely expositional opening hour, the problem in this instance is that there are so many wasted words. In fact, the script is kind of clunky – there’s even a bit where Tarantino starts narrating his own screenplay, not as an essential framing device but because he apparently loves the sounds of his own voice. Inevitably it’s the characters who do most of the talking, and that’s what makes The Hateful Eight so frustrating – behind the smoke screen of lurid anecdotes and cheap slurs, you get the sense that Tarantino actually has something interesting to say about racial prejudice and gender politics in contemporary (by way of post-Civil War) America.

At a time when the Confederate flag can still be found raised outside capitol buildings across America’s southern states, the subversive emphasis Tarantino places on the constantly shifting power balance between the film’s black and white antagonists feels especially prescient. Yet while the socially conscious subtext of Jackson’s incendiary speech marks this as the most proactively progressive QT joint to date, the script too often flatters to deceive.

497fbf27124dda63775eb3295ab74a6fFavouring the slow-burn over the immediate payoff is fine, but in the same way that making something long doesn’t necessarily make it epic, prolonged foreplay is only stimulating when you’re consistently teasing the right spots. Of course, Tarantino has proven himself in the past to be a master when it comes to delayed gratification. And besides, he isn’t exactly renowned for subtlety and self-restraint, although The Hateful Eight’s powerful final shot shows that he can still deliver big with a simple directorial flourish. It should come as no surprise, then, that when the violence kicks in it does so in quick-fire rifle-blasts to the face – a popular Christmas carol played on a dusty old upright is the cue for Tarantino to cut loose, and he does so in typically provocative style, flipping the frontier genre on its head before slicing its belly and letting its guts spill out over the hardwood floor.

To that end, The Hateful Eight is more murder mystery than revisionist western, with Jackson the film’s maniacal Miss Marple, looking for (or is it concealing?) vital clues in a fresh pot of coffee and a letter from Abraham Lincoln. Right when everything starts to click, however, a miscast cameo appearance becomes yet another reason to rue Tarantino’s tendency to over-season the stew.

8c0d8262d0826c8cd4bbc62eeb7c3e07He’s not the only weak link here, but it’s ultimately telling that Tarantino’s ego overshadows the exceptional work of several of his longest serving collaborators, most notably the elegant cinematography of Robert Richardson (who lensed Kill Bill, Inglourious Basterds and Django Unchained) and immaculate production design of Yohei Taneda (who previously worked on Kill Bill: Vol. 1). The bittersweet irony is that while Tarantino’s stock routinely commands the kind of budget that allows him to take his pick of the industry’s best technicians, staging the bulk of the action at close quarters in a single interior setting means he ends up restricting most of the really good stuff to the periphery.

This is what happens when no one is prepared to say ‘no’. You want to shoot on location in Colorado in the middle of winter? Sure. You want to use Ultra Panavision 70? Go for it. You want to split the story into chapters and stretch it over 150 minutes (187 if you include the overture and intermission that accompany the 70mm version)? You got it! That last point is particularly important, because although it’s easy to admire Tarantino’s bravura storytelling – not to mention his moxie in resurrecting a large-format anamorphic film process that’s been dead for 50 years – the schematic structure and derivative narrative he employs makes The Hateful Eight about as nuanced as bloody bootprints in the snow.

On numerous occasions in the past Tarantino has asserted that he plans to retire after his tenth film. We sincerely hope that he reconsiders, but if that does prove to be the case, the silver lining is that he’s significantly lowered the bar for the last two.

 

The A-List: An interview with Quentin Tarantino about ‘The Hateful Eight’ – postPerspective – Randi Altman’s postPerspective

The Extreme Way Quentin Tarantino Is Preventing Another Hateful Eight Script Leak – CINEMABLEND

msar09Why Quentin Tarantino Changed His Django Sequel To The Hateful Eight – CINEMABLEND

Quentin Tarantino’s The Hateful Eight is the eighth film from the writer and director. There’s not a sequel among them. While he’s had ideas for sequels or spinoffs to his movies before, none of them have yet to make it to the screen. Hateful may actually be as close to a successful sequel as the writer has ever come, as Tarantino has recently revealed the idea for the Western started as a sequel to Django Unchained. The only problem was that eventually, Django didn’t work as a character.

Tarantino made a surprise appearance at the Alamo Drafthouse following a screening of the new movie on Wednesday evening. As part of a post-movie Q&A, the writer of the film spoke about how he started writing the screenplay when he was angry and depressed, a state he had never been in when writing before. Originally titled Django in White Hell, the movie would have put Jamie Foxx’s character in that cold cabin with the rest of the unsavory characters. However, according toEntertainment Weekly, Tarantino said that he eventually came to the conclusion that Django didn’t work in the movie, because the audience would trust him.

All of a sudden it hit me the only thing wrong [with the story] was Django. There should be no moral center. I thought it should be a room of bad guys, and you can’t trust a word anybody says

b6b034a65afb912a304c2fd97adfbd41Let me tell you something, I think that if it was the Django character, that trust would go a long way to move the story along.

This next link takes a look at the differences between the play and the movie: The Hateful Eight: 3 Big Differences Between Tarantino’s Live Stage Read and the Film | Rosanna Savone

SPOILER ALERT: If you haven’t seen Quentin Tarantino’s The Hateful Eight yet, you may want to wait to read this because I reveal the ending.

Now that’s out of the way…

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I was one of the lucky ones to attend both the historic live stage read of The Hateful Eight at the Theatre at the Ace Hotel in downtown Los Angeles on April 19, 2014 and the Hollywood film premiere at the Cinerama Dome on December 8, 2015.

The live stage read was truly historic because it was not only the first time in Hollywood history that a screenplay written by QT was shared with the public beforeit was made into a film but it was also shared before he was able to even finish it due to a scandalous script leak.

At the stage read, QT had announced to the 1600 people in attendance that he was in the middle of a rewrite and the ending was definitely going to change from the one we were about to experience. So we were the only humans that would be able to see how QT’s creative process including writing, casting and directing evolved from first draft to glorious 70mm.

The Hateful Eight :: SimplyScripts Screenwriting Discussion Board

tumblr_lqf0595OoN1qcwhbgo1_500Quentin Tarantino Lets Loose on Race, Violence and ‘The Hateful Eight’

Samuel L. Jackson’s Hateful Eight monologue about forcing the General’s son to give him oral sex is familiar Tarantino territory (VIDEO).

Tarantino-Verse: ‘Inglourious Basterds’ Connection To ‘Th | The Playlist

​Here Is the Leaked Quentin Tarantino Hateful Eight Script

Quentin Tarantino Files Lawsuit Against Gawker for Leaked Hateful Eight Script | E! Online

Quentin Tarantino Shelves ‘The Hateful Eight’ After Betrayal Results In Script Leak | Deadline

Quentin Tarantino Shelves ‘The Hateful Eight’ After Script Leak

Someone leaked the script for Tarantino’s The Hateful Eight, so now he’s … / The Dissolve

‘Hateful Eight’ Pirated Screener Traced Back to Top Hollywood Executive (Exclusive) – Hollywood Reporter

b6b034a65afb912a304c2fd97adfbd41Quentin Tarantino’s The Hateful Eight leaked copy traced back to Andrew Kosove | Daily Mail Online

‘The Hateful Eight’ already has haters: Tarantino film called misogynist by critics | MSNBC

Quentin Tarantino Explains the Link Between His “Hateful Eight” and #BlackLivesMatter | GQ

Campaigners back Quentin Tarantino at The Hateful Eight premiere | Film | The Guardian

Revisiting the ‘Hateful Eight’ Script Saga | Inverse

‘The Hateful Eight’ Screenplay Now Available For Your Consideration

How They Put Together Hateful Eight’s 70mm Traveling ‘Roadshow’ | WIRED

7db35284e58aee64c2e5dc8b388cd063Quentin Tarantino Wants to turn ‘The Hateful Eight’ Into a Stage Play  -I think that it could work very well as a stage play…with a few slight changes.

8 Things You Never Knew About Quentin Tarantino’s 8th Film ‘The Hateful Eight’

The Hateful Eight Was An Ordeal For Quentin Tarantino | Contactmusic.com

Does The Hateful Eight’s 70mm roadshow really impact the future of film? | The Verge

‘Hateful Eight’: Behind Quentin Tarantino’s 70mm Shoot | Variety

 

 

tarot___9_the_hermit_by_cha0sgirl-d5os6q5As I said up top, when your expectations are great, the disillusionment can fucking suck…suck your energy, suck out all your promise and hope for the future.

That downfall is a hard realization, like so much we all experienced last year…every week it was something new to slap us down, another shitstain politician said something so incredibly sexist or racist or hatefully disgusting, or batshit fucked-up crazy…and got away with it; without any accountability for what they said!

Which brings me to my point about the lower expectations, the lower the standards you set…when you reach that sad pathetic disturbing disappointment that you know is coming…it doesn’t seem to hit ya so hard.

After spending 3 and a half hours at the theater watching The Hateful Eight, we came home and Dan proceeded to turn on his shitty shows. Something he had been wanting to see, The Ridiculous Six. You may remember this movie, people (Native Indians and women were walking off the set because it was so offensive.) Just read this:

c49eae1793dcadb6d17592071e7b84dbAdam Sandler’s ‘The Ridiculous 6’ Is Getting Some of the | Criticwire

Don’t watch Sandler’s two-hour Netflix slog, but enjoy reviews funnier than anything in it.

Netflix’s business is built on knowing its audience, and their instincts were right on the money when they opted not to let critics see Adam Sandler’s “The Ridiculous 6” before it hit the streaming service at midnight last night. Sandler’s movie, the first of four to be made for Netflix, encountered controversy before it was even completed when several Native American extras walked off the set of his (allegedly) comic Western, claiming its script was littered with racist gags. According to the reviews, that’s remained true of the finished product, in which one character refers to a Native woman as “Poca-hot-tits.” (Her “real” name is Smoking Fox, which isn’t much better.) Critics seem unsure whether that’s more offensive than “The Ridiculous 6’s” reliance on jokes about incontinent burros and a rapping Mark Twain played by Vanilla Ice, its wasting of great actors like Steve Buscemi and Harvey Keitel in painfully underwritten parts (hope those checks cleared, fellas), or its unsightly and half-hearted attempts to emulate the look of a classic Westerns. (Oh, for the classical virtues of Seth MacFarlane’s “A Million Ways to Die in the West.”) It sounds, all in all, like an excruciating two-hour watch — barely shorter, in fact, than the real “The Magnificent Seven.” But critics’ loss is our gain. The reviews are scathing and often hilarious, likely providing more laughs than Sandler’s comedy itself.

4ce4d9e8fa65a5dfb692dfa1df98855cI went ahead and sat through this crap. I wasn’t paying much attention to it, I was reading up reviews and articles on Hateful Eight because I had gone into the movie completely blind. (I didn’t want to spoil my joy at watching the film unsoiled…by other people’s views and opinions. What a laugh that was…)

So as I sat there reading confirmation of my disenchantment with Quentin’s hateful 8th, that shit filled, literally shit filled, Adam Sandler movie played in the background. To think Steve Buscemi and Harvey Keitel acted in this movie?

Some reviews from the link above:

Justin Chang, Variety

Why pay Sandler’s idiot shenanigans the compliment of anger? There’s nothing here so inspired as to warrant the audience’s contempt, much less its surprise. Viewers who gladly endured “Pixels” may well revel in the sight of the star giving another of his patented non-performances, and those who saw “Big Daddy” and “That’s My Boy” will hardly be shocked to see him once again knee-deep in daddy issues. In what probably counts as multitasking for all involved, “The Ridiculous 6” manages to be not just a pitiful excuse for a comedy but also a pitiful excuse for a male weepie. And as the over-active father at the heart of it all, the gravel-voiced Nolte shows up most of his co-stars by playing his part with so much wily conviction, you’d almost swear he were acting in an actual movie. Still, the MVP here is undoubtedly Ramon’s donkey, who gives 110% whether he’s fellating Lautner on screen (someone’s clearly on Team Jacob), or standing perfectly still while Steve Buscemi rubs ointment inside the beast’s rectum. Which, incidentally, would make a far more appropriate destination for “The Ridiculous 6” than your Netflix queue.

9_hermit-cNick Schager, The Playlist

Humor is murdered over the course of 119 deathly minutes by Adam Sandler in “The Ridiculous 6,” a Western spoof that, like its protagonist’s feats of magical heroism, is best described as “some mystical shit.” Mired in pre-release controversy over its supposedly offensive characterizations of Native Americans – which drove some extras to abandon the project – Sandler’s first of four exclusive features for Netflix turns out to be distasteful in every regard, an abysmal riff on “The Magnificent Seven” in which hoary stereotypes and oater clichés are exploited for equally groan-worthy gags. Without an amusing instinct in its cowboy-hatted head, this painfully protracted, puerile effort meanders about the Old West as if it were making up its nonsense on the fly. The result is a torturous genre joke that marks a new low not only for the star, but for the art of cinematic comedy. Native American women possess names such as “Wears No Bra,” “Smoking Fox,” and “Beaver Breath,” Ramon talks about the deliciousness of tacos, and white people are ridiculed for being bad dancers — Sandler and co-writer Tim Herlihy’s script performs cultural mockery with all the incisive skill of a blind surgeon wielding a hammer.

There are more reviews at the link but, for my sake just a few,

030b31bc24b7b1a4d145b24c22f9f1cdNick De Semlyen, Empire

Female Apache characters are called Smoking Fox, Never Wears Bra and, um, Beaver Breath. The pun “Poca-hot-tits” is deployed. There are wince-inducing jokes about peace pipes and wigwams, while Sandler, who spends the first stretch of the film dressed up as an “Injun” himself, is imbued with magical powers he’s learned from the tribe. But other ethnicities won’t feel left out — Rob Schneider plays a stupid Mexican whose best friend is a diarrhea-spraying donkey. We have the feeling Donald Trump has already added “The Ridiculous 6” to his Netflix To Watch list. Netflix have clearly given Sandler and director Frank Coraci (“Blended,” Zookeeper”) a budget at least as generous as those they’ve been accustomed to. There are Monument Valley vistas and cameos from the likes of Danny Trejo and Steve Buscemi. But the latter, as a barber with a disgustingly all-purpose cream, provides oases of humour in a desert that’s otherwise largely arid. As for the novel release platform? The bad news: the experience of watching “The Ridiculous 6” feels akin to streaming an especially lengthy box set. The good news: you can schedule as many “Hateful Eight”-style intermissions as you like.

Brian Tallerico, RogerEbert.com

To say that Sandler and Tim Herlihy’s script is “episodic” would be an understatement. It’s a series of scenes only loosely connected by cast and location. I’ve seen episodes of “Saturday Night Live” in which the sketches seemed more of a single piece than parts of this film. One minute, they’re learning how to play baseball from John Turturro; another minute they’re playing poker with Vanilla Ice, David Spade and Blake Shelton. It’s like someone put ideas for Western-themed sketch comedy on a board and then Sandler threw darts at it to determine its order. The film has no flow, no rhythm, and absolutely no reason to be 119 minutes. And then there’s the broad racism and misogyny of the piece. After the controversial walk-offs, Netflix claimed that this was “satire.” It’s not. There’s nothing satirical about Sandler’s bad Native American accent (which totally comes and goes, by the way) or Schneider’s Hispanic caricature. Saying that this is satire is like the drunk guy at the bar telling you how many black friends he has after telling a racist joke. Don’t fall for it.

argolance_hermite_02William Bibbiani, Crave Online

“The Ridiculous 6” is a hapless jumble of decent craftsmanship, confused writing, terrible jokes and casual mean-spirited jabs at every culture imaginable. And none of the action, the drama, or (with a careful application of quotation marks) “cultural commentary” serves any greater purpose than the burro’s projectile diarrhea does. It’s actually rather amazing that Adam Sandler’s transition to straight-to-streaming content resulted in no change, positive or negative, to his usual brand of cinema. Maybe this is why critics have been so hard on his last ten years worth of live-action comedies: they feel more at home on video, where standards have traditionally been lower, than they do in the theater. Maybe this transition really is an improvement. At least on Netflix you’ll be able to turn the movie off without running up the stairs and strangling a projectionist.

Aha…see that highlighted statement: lower standards. So when this completely disgusting and horrible movie was over, did it bother me as much as the Tarantino film I had seen earlier in the day? No. It did not. It should have, I mean from the offensive standards alone. All the misogynist and degrading shit being said. The crap being spewed. All over the screen, by a donkey no less.

I expected that kind of shit from the assclown Sandler. This is the kind of fuckspattle made for the idiotic public audience yes?

Ass…won best picture, screenplay…etc.

So, my plan this year is to not expect a lot from anyone…or anything. I think my realities will turn out still depressingly disappointing, but hell…it won’t be such a long ass dive down the rabbit hole of despair to reach bottom. And anything that makes that trip shorter is a bonus in my book.

This is an open thread….

 

**Just wanted to add a few last observations I made in the comments below:

 

This hated 8 would make a great play….it is set up for that, but unlike some films that are shot in one room where dialogue is the story teller… (Say 12 angry men for example, yes I know the movie was based on a play. ) The use of interesting angles and shots, even exposition is cleverly woven in.

Hated 8 was shot in one big room…with each table area (or pre-established focused scene section) brightly lit like some restaurant that wants to keep the atmosphere dark but still wants you to see just how pretty the plate is set up. It could have done wonders if he shot scenes to tell the story. Instead of using dialogue of ridiculous lengths and coincidences to get you where you needed to be. This movie needed some rewriting in the script before he put it on the silver screen. He is using these 70mm lenses, but spend most of the shots inside one room? What a waste.

Also, the implementation of “chapters” as a form of storytelling is getting old for Tarantino. The narrative mid-movie was bothersome as well, especially when you have an annoying voice doing the voice over. (Tarantino did his own voice over this time.) It wasn’t a powerful sounding voice over like Sam L. Jacksons in Inglorious Basturds.

And as the review above said, it was amateur. It is like he stepped backwards in his direction technique rather than forward, to something mediocre at best or just a crap presentation of what Tarantino thinks he has evolved into. It lacked his flare and original touches. His style. He didn’t even use the music in its emotional oneness with the camera. The music I may add was an original score for the film. I think his gut feeling for contemporary songs are always spot on.

The film was not clever in any way.

It bothers the hell out of me.

Just the last few scenes were good. But getting there was not worth it, and those few minutes of entertainment did not payoff for the hours of previous disappointment you have to sit through to get there.

I want to reiterate though, the acting was top notch. All performed brilliantly.

 

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48 Comments on “Sunday Reads: Observation, Expectation, Disappointment”

  1. ANonOMouse says:

    Thanks for warning me off the Hateful 8, I don’t want to spend another cent on a movie that isn’t worth the paper we wipe our butt on. I wouldn’t have been disappointed that it was bad movie, I would have been disappointed that I dropped too much money on it.

    Now you should have stayed in and watched TCM where they screened “The Thin Man” collection. I’ve seen them all 100 times but I still enjoy watching them, especially back-to-back. Myrna Loy is so wonderful and William Powell never fails to make me laugh even when I know what’s coming next.

    • I was recording the ones I didn’t have already in my hard drive.

      This hated 8 would make a great play. It is set up for that. But unlike some films that are shot in one room where dialogue is the story teller (12 angry men for example. Yes it was based on the play. ) the use of interesting angles and shots, even exposition is cleverly woven in. Hated 8 was shot in the big room. With each table lit like some restaurant you walk into that wants to keep the atmosphere dark but still wants you to see just how pretty the plate is set up. It could have done wonders if he shot scenes to tell the story. Instead of using dialogue of ridiculous lengths and coincidences to get you where you needed to be. And as the review above said, it was amateur. It is like he stepped backwards in his direction to something mediocre at best or just a crap presentation of what Tarantino thinks he has evolved into. It lacked his flare and original touches. His style. He didn’t even use the music in its emotional oneness with the camera (music I may add was original score for the film. I think his gut feeling for contemporary songs are always spot on) the film was not clever in any way. It bothers the hell out of me. Just the last few scenes were good. But getting there was not worth it, and those few minutes of entertainment did not payoff for the hours of previous disappointment you have to sit through to get there.

    • Beata says:

      I watched “The Thin Man” movies on TCM, too. They never get old. Nick and Nora are forever stylish and witty.

      • bostonboomer says:

        I love those movies. It seems strange to me now that people in those old movies smoked so much though. I used to like the Thin Man TV show too.

  2. ANonOMouse says:

    “So, my plan this year is to not expect a lot from anyone…or anything. I think my realities will turn out still depressingly disappointing, but hell…it won’t be such a long ass dive down the rabbit hole of despair to reach bottom.”

    That’s a good plan because in the end you can’t control the behavior, the attitudes or the actions of others. I try not to have expectations of people, especially the people I love.

    • bostonboomer says:

      Wise words.

    • Beata says:

      When I was growing up, my mother used to tell me that everyone has their limitations. She said the sooner we are able to accept that, the easier our lives become. Disappointment is lessened. I have found that to be true.

      Today has been a sad anniversary for me. I’m glad the day is almost done.

  3. Fannie says:

    JJ, damn your movie reviews are badass good. Got me to thinking about Vic Morrow, and butch of spaghetti movies I use to watch.

    Make me think, about Harney County. Yeah, it’s back, this time in Burns, Oregon……..hell of western being played out, guns, lots of cowboy hats, but hell no horse, but old ass trucks. I guess none of them have jobs to go to tomorrow morning. But hey, they are taking over the Headquarters Building of the Malheur Wildlife building. They got plenty to live on for a year, and they said they aren’t EXPECTING violence. I don’t want to disappoint anyone, but Clivin Bundy’s son, is calling for all militia to join him, bring your guns, and don’t worry, he’s got supplies to last for years, and they plan on diggin’ in with lots of card parties, and social events.
    Maybe a Mormon hoedown and church building temple, and a special KKK satin sheet showdown. Suppose it wouldn’t be nothing without some sugarloaf women, needed to collect the acorns, and honey to go with, and get them to build some rock fences, that’s primary need to protect them from the Feds.

    We are sure to see more of this THEATER play throughout the year. The squatters are near, and a throwback to the good old years.

  4. bostonboomer says:

    WaPo:

    Armed militia, Bundy brothers take over federal building in rural Oregon

    Ryan Bundy told the Oregonian that the group isn’t holding hostages and doesn’t want to resort to violence but will not rule it out if authorities attempt to remove the occupiers from the property. He said many of the occupiers would be willing to fight — and die — to reclaim constitutionally protected rights for local land management, according to the Associated Press.

    The group is calling for the Hammonds’ release and said the militia was planning an occupation that lasted “for years.”

    “The best possible outcome is that the ranchers that have been kicked out of the area, then they will come back and reclaim their land, and the wildlife refuge will be shut down forever and the federal government will relinquish such control,” Ryan Bundy told the Oregonian. “What we’re doing is not rebellious. What we’re doing is in accordance with the Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land.”

    • NW Luna says:

      That’s a twisted way to interpret the Constitution, but what would expect from these bigots. I want them treated the way the Occupy groups were — tear-gassed, rounded up, and trussed up, thrown in jail, and charged.

      • Fannie says:

        Me too Luna, what you have here is a posse of white males allowed to occupy federal lands, and carry in their big ass guns, but hey that little fella with the toy gun, they shot him dead.

      • bostonboomer says:

        I guess the feds don’t want to get into a shootout where a bunch of right wingers get killed and the rest of them try to start a revolution.

          • Fannie says:

            Very good read JJ. CNN are calling them a GROUP of protesters. Idaho Statesman News is calling them Oregon Protesters (when not one of them are locals, and the locals don’t want them there). The media is saying they are not a threat, but the schools are closed for a week, maybe two, maybe for the entire year as long as they are “standing there grown”, grown which doesn’t belong to them.

            I listened to CNN as Ammon Bundy, is he prepared to die? Bundy answered: No I don’t want to die. I have a beautiful wife, 6 kids the little is 11 months, and I have a business with 25 employees. I think the Feds need to go his ranch, and look over the records, get his computer, and search the land. I am wondering just how many Mexicans he has working that Ranch, and I am wondering how many weapons has he stock piled and buried on his land waiting for the civil war. I am wondering how many other Mormons are involved in this land grab.

            I totally agree with Ginandtacos! Sharing. Thank you.

  5. bostonboomer says:

    The Guardian:

    Isis hostage clip shows English-speaking boy and jihadi warning of attacks.

    The 11-minute footage, which was released by the Isis media wing, also includes a “message for David Cameron”, read by a masked man with a British-sounding accent who threatens attacks in the UK.

    Standing behind five kneeling hostages in orange jumpsuits, the unknown extremist repeatedly points a gun at the camera while claiming to be preparing an invasion of Isis fighters in Europe.

    The video then appears to show the murder of the hostages, who allegedly “confess” to completing reconnaissance missions sanctioned by British authorities.

    The clip, which has not been independently authenticated, concludes with footage of a young child in military fatigues, who warns in high-pitched English: “We are going to go kill the kafir [non-believers] over there.”

  6. Prolix says:

    JJ, thanks for the flag on “The Hateful Eight”. I appreciate your time and energy to do all this work.

    As for disappointment, I subscribe to John Lennon’s advice of, “I didn’t want to be a loud-mouth, poet musician, but I can’t be what I’m not.”

    People and things can’t be what they aren’t. Life is much more pleasant, palatable, and understandable for me when I accepted that concept.

    • This movie needed some rewriting in the script to get it on the silver screen. You are using these 70mm lenses, but spend most of the shots inside one room ? The chapter use of narrative is getting old for Tarantino. The narrative as well was bothersome, especially when you have an annoying voice doing the voiceover. It wasn’t a powerful sounding voiceover like Sam L Jacksons in Inglorious Basturds.

  7. A very important question here:

    Why aren’t we calling the Oregon militia ‘terrorists?’ – The Washington Post

    “As of Sunday afternoon, The Washington Post called them “occupiers” — and more precisely, “an armed militia.” The New York Times opted for “armed activists” and “militia men.” And the Associated Press put the situation this way: “A family previously involved in a showdown with the federal government has occupied a building at a national wildlife refuge in Oregon and is asking militia members to join them.”

    Not one seemed to lean toward terms like “insurrection,” “revolt,” anti-government “insurgents” or — as some on social media were calling them — “terrorists.” However, when a group of unknown size and unknown firepower has taken over any federal building with plans and possibly some equipment to aid a years-long occupation — and its representatives tells reporters that they would prefer to avoid violence but are prepared to die — the kind of almost-uniform delicacy and limits to the language used to describe the people involved and developments on the group is, itself, noteworthy.

    It is very hard to imagine that none of the words mentioned above — particularly “insurrection” or “revolt” — would be avoided if, for instance, a group of armed black Americans took possession of a federal or state courthouse to protest the police. Black Americans outraged about the death of a 12-year-old boy at the hands of police or concerned about the absence of jail time or a conviction in the George Zimmerman case have been frequently and inaccurately lumped in with criminals and looters or depicted and described as marauding wolf packs where drugs are, according to CNN’s Don Lemon, “obviously” in use.

    If a group of armed Muslims took possession of a federal building or even its lobby to, for instance, protest calls to surveil the entire group, they could avoid any of those harsher, more-alarming labels.”

    Of course the article goes on to say they aren’t violent yet…

    and an example:

    Why Armed Protesters Took Over a U.S. Wildlife Refuge Building – The Atlantic

    even the Hot Air link called it wrong…but not sure it went the full monty by calling it terrorism.
    from the hotair link:

    “But… with all of that said, I’m with John Hawkins on this one. This is crazy. (And I know that’s not going to sit well with those regularly spoiling for a fight with the feds.) Taking armed troops in to seize control of a federal building and essentially daring the government to come get you is pretty much the course of last resort. This is the fight you choose to draw the line in the sand over? If the Hammonds aren’t seeking protection and are planning to continue their appeal through the normal legal channels, this armed insurrection isn’t being done for their benefit. If you’re doing it to try to stop the feds from exercising control over a wildlife refuge, well… nope. Sorry. Still crazy.

    Harness all of that energy and enthusiasm into getting a legal team to begin challenging the federal government in court over it. It will be a long, hard slog, but you’ll garner a tremendous amount of support around the nation, particularly among conservatives and libertarians. Taking up arms over this will produce just the opposite result. It’s time to get the troops out of the building before somebody gets hurt and this turns into a literally bloody debacle.”

    Nope they didn’t use the T word….

    But since I am using my new found fuck expectations, just presume the worst from the beginning….I expect all this crap anyway. So my frustration and anger is not as dramatic as it could be…

    • NW Luna says:

      Armed, anti-government, uniformed, fanatical males, including would-be suicide militants, invading federal property? They talk like terrorists, they walk like terrorists, and act like terrorists. Terrorism comes in all skin colors.

    • Fannie says:

      JJ, welcome to the United Fucking States of America.

    • Fannie says:

      The Hammonds, father, Dwight Lincoln Hammond (73), and son Steven Dwight Hammond, 46, live in Diamond, Oregon which is in Haney Co. They were sentenced by US Dist. Judge for arson they started on federal land. They were found guilty in 2012. They said they started the fires to control weeds, but witnesses (including family member) said they killed deer, and had been poaching, so they burnt the whole damn place to cover it up. Muck like the Bundy’s they have been leasing this BLM for their cattle. They tried to make sure their relations shut up about the fire, but there were fire fighters involved. In 2006 another fire, Krumbo Butte Fire located in Malheur National Wildlife Refuge was start by storm, and that damn Steven Dwight Hammond started a backfires that damn near killed fire fighters. That was not his property. There sentencing was up held on appeal, and they are suppose to show up tomorrow morning at the Federal Prison in San Pedro, Ca. But the Bundy Brothers (Ammon and Ryan) posse are trying to convince them not to go.

      The truth is, it’s easy to see how this can grow. Trump will be in Nevada, pretty much near the Bundy Ranch, and I am sure he is going to jump in with these men, because they also rant about Guns, and Hating Muslims. Pres. Obama has scheduled meeting regarding guns, and the NRA and Trump, are jumping all over it. Let’s not kid ourselves, they are home grown terrorist, occupying our tax paying land, out in the middle of nowhere in a building, and not in town. However the Burns School District has closed schools down for the week, people are afraid. These terrorist are preaching God, and Guns!

  8. roofingbird says:

    Ok, I ‘ll put it here too. As a student I spent time at the Malheur Refuge area. It is flat sagebrush desert with a a wetlands that supports over 320 species of birds, and rare and endangered flora and other fauna. Water, making some of the worst coffee you ever tasted, because of the alkali, is from wells. The “federal” building is normal smallish park facility. That is not to take away from the import of it’s takeover, but just to give you a sense of the situation. It is very isolated and it was closed when it was taken. So, there are very few folks living in the area, and ranchers are thousands of acres apart.

    Since the FBI’s rational move would be to prevent loss of human life they aren’t just going to charge in after these idiots. What is at stake is the damage to the environment because as a major flyway these prepper types could live a long time out there eating geese. It is essentially the environment that is being held hostage in order to promote their patriot/libertarian viewpoint and they have stated they are willing to die for it. The world does not need this kind of martyrdom.

    ABC’s much maligned tweet was correct in that there was a demonstration in Burns OR, over two ranchers, convicted of doing damage to BLM land, who have disavowed the refuge Bundy occupiers. The Burns locals were concerned with what they were seeing, met with the Bundy group and asked them to leave. The Bundy group then went to Malheur and took it over. ABC probably put out updated tweets that reflected that information.

    There are some, I would say unconfirmed reports, that the road since the takeover have been open enough to allow the Bundy group’s children to come to the refuge. However, I would also say that since the FBI is now involved there may be some kind of negotiations going on.

    Clearly there is a lot of justifiable sentiment about why a bunch of white wing nuts appear to be getting special treatment in their labeling, and why they aren’t just blown out of the refuge. They are well armed terrorists, claiming that they are patriots and should have free use of the land. However, there is no imminent human danger; there is imminent environmental danger. I would suggest that folks are trying to keep the rhetoric down in an effort to stabilize the situation.

    https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/terrorism/terrorism-definition

  9. Fannie says:

    You must see how all this connects: These guys on this page support the Oath Keepers, and all the attempt at land grabbing: Read this, and click on the wheel with individuals who are rooted in this, you will see how they are against ACA, etc. etc.

    http://westernpriorities.org/2015/08/10/going-to-extremes

  10. Fannie says:

    Should have put this up before the Westernpriorities…..but Ken Ivory, State Rep. Utah, is at the center of all this land grab. His baby is the ALC (America Land Councils). So many rural sheriff’s are working hand in hand, because I think they are all the same people.

    They want this land for themselves. They feel like this land that doesn’t belong to them, they think they it should be, so they are taking it. They don’t want the government to allow the general public to own it, or use it. They want the Koch Brothers to own and do what they want with it. They aren’t doing this to benefit all Americans, if they were you would see the entire Native American Population there, they were the ones who settled that land.

    http://www.americanlandscouncil.org/kenivory

  11. Fannie says:

    Les we forget: 81 day standoff in Montana

  12. Fannie says:

    JJ, glad this is open thread: This one’s for you:

  13. Fannie says:

    Les we forget, the Bundy supporters are: Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, Mike Huckabee, and Rand Paul……………and everyone wants to be president of USA.

  14. Fannie says:

    This is another good read, explaining why losing land to wealthy people (Koch Bros.) doesn’t serve to benefit us the taxpayers, us the people who want to fish, hunt, or camp on this land, and how the politics are affecting other states, including the state in which I live Idaho:

    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/01/03/3735647/malheur-lake-oregon-milita-explainer