Pope’s Open to Homosexual Priests…But Hell Bent Against Women Clergy: It’s an open threadPosted: July 29, 2013
Two interesting things came out of the mouth of Pope Francis today, which made me take a moment and laugh to myself.
First he makes a statement regarding “gay priest” that was not in line with the usual Church’s stance on the subject: On Gay Priests, Pope Francis Asks, ‘Who Am I to Judge?’
Striking a breathtakingly conciliatory approach to a hot-button issue that has divided Catholics, Pope Francis on Monday said that he would not judge priests for their sexual orientation. “If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?” Francis said, according to media reports.
Reporters on the plane said that the pope had been candid and high-spirited and did not dodge a single question, even thanking the person who asked about reports of a “gay lobby” inside the Vatican, and about Italian press reports that one of the advisers he had appointed to look into the Vatican Bank had been accused of having gay trysts.
Francis said he had investigated the reports and found them groundless. He added that while such a lobby would be an issue, he did not have anything against gays and that their sins should be forgiven, media reports said. He said that while homosexuals should be treated with dignity, using sexual orientation for blackmail or pressure was a different matter. However, nothing in what he said suggested acceptance of anyone, priest or otherwise, engaging in homosexual acts.
…than his predecessor’s position on the issue.
Pope Benedict XVI signed a document in 2005 that said men with deep-rooted homosexual tendencies should not be priests.
But Pope Francis said gay clergymen should be forgiven and their sins forgotten.
“The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains this very well,” Pope Francis said in a wide-ranging 80-minute long interview with Vatican journalists.
“It says they should not be marginalised because of this but that they must be integrated into society.”
But he condemned what he described as lobbying by gay people.
“The problem is not having this orientation,” he said. “We must be brothers. The problem is lobbying by this orientation, or lobbies of greedy people, political lobbies, Masonic lobbies, so many lobbies. This is the worse problem.”
During the same flight Francis also discussed women in the priesthood: Pope says Catholic ban on women priests ‘definitive’
Pope Francis said the Roman Catholic Church’s ban on women priests is “definitive” although he would like them to have more leadership roles in its administration and pastoral activities.
The pope, speaking to reporters on Sunday night aboard the plane taking him home from a week-long visit to Brazil, said …
“But with regards to the ordination of women, the Church has spoken and says no… That door is closed.”
I found it amusing…homosexuals deserve to be treated with dignity…he feels they should not be marginalized but should be integrated in society…however when it comes to women being integrated within the clergy….that door is closed.
Hey, I’m glad he is coming around and showing some tolerance towards homosexuality, but still a hell of a way to go for the women’s rights issues and…of course, it goes without saying, he still needs to address all the sexual abuse and Vatican cover-ups too!
Here is Joyce Arnold’s take on it: Queer Talk: Pope Francis Won’t Judge Gay Priests, But No Policy Change
Every step toward equality, toward simply being recognized and affirmed as human, is important. This one by Pope Francis comes with no policy changes, but it can still help open eyes and hearts and minds. That’s assuming, of course, people are willing to let that happen.
Joyce also gives a quick review of a few other media responses to the Pope’s statements… give her link a click to check those out as well.
This next link is something I have to share because it has Demons associated with it, and it also deals with someone’s career falling apart due to the fact of literally falling on their ass. DEMONS DESTROYING DONNY & MARIE – The National Enquirer
IT’s all over for Donny and Marie!
After more than 35 years of showbiz stardom, the legendary brother-sister act may be finished for good.
Sources say a shocking medical crisis and bitter feuding are ripping the Osmond duo apart – and The ENQUIRER has all the stunning details.
The two began fighting like cats and dogs after Marie flipped out over the cancellation of her Hallmark Channel talk show, insiders say. Now Donny faces a grueling six-month recovery from surgery to repair muscle damage. He suffered the agonizing injury when he landed hard on his behind during their Las Vegas act, and family insiders fear he’ll never be able to sing and dance like he did before hurting himself.
“Marie tried to put a funny spin on her brother’s injury, joking, ‘I’ve always known Donny’s a butt, but now he’s proven it,’” a source told The ENQUIRER.
“But Donny’s injury was very serious, and it may spell the end for the Donny and Marie show in Las Vegas.”
Donny, 55, tore his gluteus maximus muscle while making a running leap onto a piano during their Sin City show at the Flamingo.
Heh…heh….heh…I don’t know exactly where the “Demons” come in…but:
Donny is said to be in no rush to get back to work with his famous sibling.
“Since Marie lost her talk show, she’s been taking her frustrations out on everyone around her, especially Donny,” said the source.
“He just couldn’t take it anymore and told a friend, ‘With the way Marie’s been acting, I’m certainly in no hurry to get back on stage with her.’
“But Marie’s desperate to hang on to the Flamingo show. She knows that audiences want to see the Donny and Marie magic – not just Marie, or Marie with a different Osmond brother.
“She’s terrified this could be the end of Donny and Marie!”
Oh, horrors! Quick, light a candle to the Mormon…big sparkling teeth gods and pray that Donnie’s ass gets back in shape before Marie completely loses her mind!
I want to end with this cartoon, Re-TARDIS – Political Cartoon by Dennis Draughon, Freelance – 07/29/2013
Have a great evening.
This is an open thread.