Sunday…Sundae with extra hot fudge, nuts and a big cherry on top.

Good Sunday Morning!

The early changers are being to turn crimson here in Banjoville…it is still warm during the day, but the nights are nice and cool.  I have a bunch of links to share with you today, they definitely cover the full spectrum of news events that took place this past week.

Let’s start with the big news out of Florida:  Herman Cain wins Florida GOP straw poll. How big a loss for Rick Perry? –

Herman Cain had his moment in the Florida sun Saturday, winning that state’s straw poll of party activists and dealing another blow to Rick Perry.

The Texas governor had counted on the Florida beauty contest to boost his chances after a lackluster performance in Thursday night’s Republican presidential candidates debate, and he’d actively courted delegates. But with just 15 percent of the 2,657 votes cast, Perry won fewer than half the 37 percent going to Cain and just a fraction more than his main rival Mitt Romney, who did not actively participate in the electioneering.

“We were all looking at Perry as our knight in shining armor, but we’re finding out he has some baggage,” Joyce Estes, a delegate from Apalachicola, told the Wall Street Journal. “The question is how much baggage we can accept.”

I don’t know about “baggage” but I do know Florida…and let me tell you, there are plenty of small towns along both coasts of the state where the witness relocation program must get group rates on housing. So it is no surprise that the former CEO of Godfather’s Pizza won a FLA straw poll. You never go against the Family. (Man, that sounded a lot better in my mind than it does written on paper.)

What about the people who actually plan to vote for one of the GOP candidates? This link from Vanity Fair should give some of you odds on what the next debate audience will do. Those Roman Colosseum–Worthy G.O.P.-Debate Audiences: Who Will They Boo or Cheer Next? | Blogs | Vanity Fair

With the next debate scheduled for October 11, at Dartmouth, Las Vegas odds-makers are already taking bets on that audience’s behavior. The early lines:

  • Booing a Medal of Honor–winning vet who once test-drove a Prius. (3 to 1)
  • Booing all those “treasonous” birds in the Gulf who dressed up in petroleum last year in a pathetic attempt to shame the oil industry. (3 to 2)
  • Cheering the story of an atheist whose Labradoodle was drowned by Hurricane Irene. (2 to 1)
  • Booing a September 11th first responder because he, of course, is from New York City, and possibly even that firehouse in Chelsea. (4 to 1)
  • Cheering a reference to Ben Bernanke’s recent bout of pleurisy. (5 to 1)
  • Booing a butterfly that flew into the debate hall because it “looked gay.” (3 to 2)
  • Booing an announcement about the post-debate no-host buffet because it’s spelled almost the same as Buffett. (2 to 1)
  • Booing a young Mexican-American man from a lower-income, Spanish-speaking family who succeeded against all odds, attended a top university, and is now a valuable member of the community and a public servant at the top of his field because Mexico. (2 to 1)
  • Booing a hominid who developed an opposable thumb and the capacity for language over the course of hundreds of thousands of years. (5 to 4)
  • Booing Nancy Reagan because she didn’t seem respectful enough of Ronald Reagan. (Even)

I’m putting my money on the butterfly, because I support all GLBT Lepidoptera’s Rights…

In other political news, I found this new study very interesting. Study ‘changes our understanding’ of youth voting behavior

Low-income youth are more apt to vote if they are engaged in political activism and influenced by friends and family, according to a study by Michigan State University education scholars that sheds new light on voting behavior.

Previous research held that poor youth tend to either vote or get involved in political activism such as peaceful protests, but not generally both. The new study, however, found a connection between political activism and the ballot box.

“This study changes our understanding of youths’ political behavior,” said Matthew Diemer, associate professor of education and lead researcher on the project.


Diemer said he controlled for civic and political knowledge, as young people who know more about these issues tend to be more engaged.

The researchers found that it was largely discussions with peers and parents — and not the influence of teachers — that fueled political engagement among low-income youth.

In some cases, Diemer said, individual schools or school districts may choose to steer clear of emphasizing issues such as social justice and racism in civics class. In other cases, civics teachers may not feel comfortable discussing potentially controversial issues with their students.

If civics teachers had more autonomy and freedom to engage students in discussions about politics and social-justice issues, Diemer said it would likely affect their participation in politics.

“The traditional civics class focuses on things like knowing the three branches of government. That’s still important, obviously, but I think it’s also important for students to understand what motivates people to participate in political and social issues and to have lasting commitments,” Diemer said.

“If we can have teachers spend time on this new type of civics,” he added, “then maybe we can get a generation of younger people who are more engaged politically.”

I don’t even think many secondary schools are teaching Civics these days…maybe they still are but it is called something else.

Here is another interesting link for you: Climate change may leave Mount Everest ascent ice-free, say climbers | Environment | The Observer

Mount Everest
Climate change may soon leave Mount Everest a rock climb, rather than an ice climb, experts suggest. Photograph: Steve Satushek/Getty Images

Climbers and custodians of Everest say that rapid climate change could soon make for an ice-free ascent of the world’s tallest mountain.

Their warning comes come amid a new international effort to gauge the effects of climate change in the Himalayas – and shield local people from potential hazards. A US-funded mission, led by the Mountain Institute, is meeting in Kathmandu to try to find practical solutions to the threat of catastrophic high-altitude flooding from lakes forming at the foot of melting glaciers.


…growing anecdotal evidence, from climbers and local people, suggests climate change is making a strong impact even well above the 8,000m line, with signs of melting ice on the southern approach to Everest.

“When I climbed Mount Everest last year I climbed the majority of ice without crampons because there was so much bare rock,” said John All, an expert on Nepal glaciers from the University of Western Kentucky. “In the past that would have been suicide because there was so much ice.”

He said the terrain he crossed was very different from the landscapes described by earlier generations of climbers. Historic photographs of the Everest region also showed a longer and deeper covering of ice.

Switching to something more disturbing, this from the Independent caught my eye. British soldiers in Afghanistan shown ‘war snuff movies’ – Asia, World – The Independent

Disturbing footage of Apache attack helicopters killing people in Afghanistan is being shown to frontline British soldiers in “Kill TV nights” designed to boost morale, a television documentary will reveal.

The discovery of the practice comes in the wake of the damning verdict of the Baha Mousa inquiry into the conduct of some in the military. It casts fresh questions over the conduct of soldiers deployed abroad and has provoked a furious response from peace campaigners.


The footage, seen by The Independent on Sunday, shows ground troops at the British headquarters in Helmand province, Camp Bastion, gathered for a get-together said to be called “Kill TV night”.

Described as an effort to boost morale among soldiers, it shows an Apache helicopter commander admitting possible errors of judgement and warning colleagues not to disclose what they have seen. “This is not for discussion with anybody else; keep it quiet about what you see up here,” he says in the film. “It’s not because we’ve done anything wrong. But we might have done.”

Last night, the MoD confirmed the speaker to be Warrant Officer Class 2 Andy Farmer, who is based with the Apache squadron in Wattisham, Suffolk.

Much of the footage is along the lines of the now infamous video of a US Apache helicopter strike on civilians in Baghdad in 2007, first released on WikiLeaks last year. In one clip an Afghan woman is targeted after a radio dialogue between pilots refers to her as a “snake with tits”.

Disgusting huh?

When asked by the interviewer in the film what he thinks goes through the head of a Taliban fighter when they see an Apache coming, WOII Farmer replies: “Hopefully a 30mm bullet”.

Later in the film, he is defiant about the moral consequences of war: “We’re out there do to a job. We’re not there to tickle the Taliban, we’re out there to hurt them because they have no qualms about hurting us.

“Of the engagements that I’ve taken part in… I have absolutely no dramas with it. None at all. I don’t really care whether they think it’s a fair fight. If they’re [the Taliban] gonna pick up a weapon and take us on, then best of luck to them.”

But peace campaigners have a different view. Mr Burgin said: “The fact that British soldiers are reduced to watching what are effectively snuff movies shows the complete failure of the project in Afghanistan. It’s nothing to do with democracy, but a failure of war that is trickling down and resulting in a mental degradation among ground troops.

“Afghanistan is a dreadful situation and it is no better than it was a decade ago.”

What a mess that war is, it seems that everything associated with Afghanistan is so convoluted and twisted. I can not believe we have been there fighting for 10 years.

I am going to move on to something lighter now. Aurora Australis as Seen from International Space Station | Geekosystem

Before astronaut Ron Garan left the International Space Station last week, he posted an incredible picture of the Southern Lights or aurora australis to Googe+. Just yesterday, NASA posted the incredible full video, which shows the glittering tendrils of electromagnetism undulating across the sky.

It’s an incredible sight, made all the more impressive by the fact that NASA knows when the coronal mass ejection on the sun that caused these shimmering lights occurred. That ejection took place on September 14, and the aurora was recorded on the 17th. Given the fact that it was released yesterday, we can conclude that it is faster to travel from the sun to Earth than to navigate the bureaucracy  of a government agency.

That is so cool and neat!  It almost looks fake, like it is something computer generated, just amazing isn’t it?

Now, I don’t know about you all, but I am really “jonesing” on the lack of Hillary coverage from Wonk. So for those of you that are also suffering major Wonk withdrawals…here are a few Hillary links to check out:

Global Alliance for Clean Cookstoves – Year One Progress Report | U.S. Department of State Blog I like the part where the writer talks about how Hillary mentions the clean cookstoves every time she meets with foreign leaders around the world.

The next two links are to StacyX’s blog, who Wonk has talked highly of before:

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton at the Clinton Global Initiative «

President Bill Clinton Speaks the Truth About the Arab-Israeli Conflict «

I will not even try to analyze or comment on these links…I will leave that up to Wonk and her expertise.

The New York Times has an editorial that ask the question, Where Abortion Rights Are Disappearing –

A Spike in Legislation

The map illustrates the barriers, state by state, facing women needing access to a constitutionally protected medical procedure. States shown in the darkest shade have enacted five of the most harmful restrictions: mandatory waiting periods; demeaning “counseling” sessions lacking a real medical justification; parental consent or notification laws that pose a particular hardship for teenagers from troubled homes, including incest victims; needlessly onerous clinic “safety” rules governing such things as the width of hallways and the amount of storage space for janitorial supplies; and prohibitions on abortion coverage in insurance policies. States in lighter shades have fewer of these restrictions. Twenty-seven states have enacted three or more of these laws, while only 12 states, shown in white, have none.

The graphic traces the total number of a broad range of major abortion restrictions enacted by the states, including the five covered in the map and others, like mandatory ultrasounds. Sixty-one such laws were enacted during just the first eight months of this year — nearly triple the number in all of 2010, and more than double the previous record of 28 set in 1997. Although some of this year’s statutes have already been preliminarily enjoined by courts as unconstitutional, others will be left to stand as constraints on women’s reproductive freedom.

If anything, the chart understates the limits on access to abortion. It fails to capture other negative developments, like the big decline in the number of abortion providers. In 1982, there were 2,908 providers nationwide. As of 2008, there were only 1,793. In 97 percent of the counties that are outside metropolitan areas there are no abortion providers at all.

The editorial goes on to mention the PLUB strategy of painting the women who get abortions as “loose women having a good time.” (BTW, that is my phrase, the NYT calls it “immoral outliers.”) It also calls for more activism from pro-choice supporters, which is something we have talked about here on the blog many times.

From Minx’s Missing Link Files:  Thursday this week, scientist blew the minds of those of us who don’t think science is a joke.  Einstein’s theory in a spin as neutrinos pass speed of light

The physics world is abuzz with news that a group of European physicists has clocked a burst of subatomic particles known as neutrinos breaking the cosmic speed limit – the speed of light – that was set by Albert Einstein in 1905. If true, it is a result that would change the world. But that ”if” is enormous.


According to scientists familiar with the paper, the neutrinos raced from a particle accelerator at CERN, where they were created, to a cavern underneath Gran Sasso in Italy, a distance of about 720 kilometres, about 60 nanoseconds faster than it would take a light beam. That amounts to a speed greater than light by about 0.0025 per cent.

Even this small deviation would open up the possibility of time travel and play havoc with notions of cause and effect.

Einstein – whose theory of relativity established the speed of light as the ultimate limit – said that if you could send a message faster than light, ”You could send a telegram to the past”.

Alvaro DeRejula, a theorist at CERN, called the claim ”flabbergasting”. ”If it is true, then we truly haven’t understood anything about anything,” Dr DeRejula said.”It looks too big to be true. The correct attitude is to ask oneself what went wrong.”

It has Twilight Zone implications, you know…the fifth dimensional kind…

Neutrinos are among the strangest denizens of the quantum subatomic world. Once thought to be massless and to travel at the speed of light, they can sail through walls and planets like wind through a screen door. Morever, they come in three varieties and can morph from one form to another as they move, an effect that the OPERA experiment was designed to detect.

Dr Ellis noted that a similar experiment was reported by a collaboration known as Minos in 2007 on neutrinos created at Fermilab, in Illinois, and beamed to the Soudan Mine in Minnesota. That group found – although with less precision – that the neutrino speeds were consistent with the speed of light.

Moreover, measurements of neutrinos emitted from a supernova in the Large Magellanic Cloud in 1987 suggested that their speeds differed from light by less than one part in a billion.

John Learned, a neutrino astronomer at the University of Hawaii, said that if the results turned out to be true, it could be the first hint that neutrinos can take a shortcut through space, through extra dimensions.

Okay, just as long as there is no cornfield involved…

Easy Like Sunday Morning Link of the Week:  Some new information gathered from an old lock of hair is making news.  Australian Aborigine Hair Tells a Story of Human Migration –

A lock of hair, collected by a British anthropologist a century ago, has yielded the first genome of an Australian Aborigine, along with insights into the earliest migration from the ancestral human homeland somewhere in northeast Africa.

The Aboriginal genome bolsters earlier genetic evidence showing that once the Aborigines’ ancestors arrived in Australia, some 50,000 years ago, they somehow kept the whole continent to themselves without admitting any outsiders.

The Aborigines are thus direct descendants of the first modern humans to leave Africa, without any genetic mixture from other races so far as can be seen at present. Their dark skin reflects an African origin and a migration and residence in latitudes near the equator, unlike Europeans and Asians whose ancestors gained the paler skin necessary for living in northern latitudes.

“Aboriginal Australians likely have one of the oldest continuous population histories outside sub-Saharan Africa today,” say the researchers who analyzed the hair, a group led by Eske Willerslev of the Natural History Museum of Denmark.


The DNA in the Aboriginal genome, when compared with DNA from other peoples around the world, shows that when modern humans first migrated out of Africa the ancestors of the Aborigines split away from the main group very early, and before Europeans and East Asians split from each other, Dr. Eske and his colleagues write in an article published online Thursday in the journal Science.

They exclude an alternative possibility, which is that Europeans split first from Asians, and that people from the Asian group colonized Australia.

Based on the rate of mutation in DNA, the geneticists estimate that the Aborigines split from the ancestors of all Eurasians some 70,000 years ago, and that the ancestors of Europeans and East Asians split from each other about 30,000 years ago.


Primitive as the tools may be, the first inhabitants of Australia must have possessed advanced boat-building technology to cross from the nearest point in Asia to Sahul, the ancient continent that included Australia, New Guinea and Tasmania until the rise of sea level that occurred at the end of the last ice age, 10,000 years ago. But there is no archaeological evidence for boats, Dr. Klein said.

Despite the Aborigines’ genetic isolation, there is evidence of some profound cultural exchange that occurred around 6,000 years ago. The stone tools become more sophisticated, and the population increased. The Aborigines did not domesticate plants or animals, but a wild dog, the dingo, first appears in the archaeological record at this time. Researchers led by Peter Savolainen of the Royal Institute of Technology in Stockholm reported this month in the journal Proceedings of the Royal Society B that they had traced the spread of the dingo across the islands of the Pacific by analyzing ancient DNA in the bones of Polynesian dogs.

The dingo originated on the Asian mainland and became part of the Polynesian domestic menagerie along with the pig, the chicken and the rat. This ensemble had reached New Zealand by A.D. 1250. How the dingo arrived in Australia is an “enigma,” Dr. Savolainen writes, because none of the other elements of Polynesian culture are found there.

Even stranger, dogs always travel with their masters, yet there is no sign yet of Polynesian genes in the Aborigine population.

Hmmm…the dingo appeared when the Aborigine population increased and became more advanced. Talk about going to the dogs…

I would like to hear Perry’s take on all this at the next debate. Do you think he can weave a wandering walkabout tale about a dingo and Leonardo da Vinci? But, he has to include a masterful Ponzi scheme crafted by da Vinci that makes the Elder Aborigines rich by taking advantage of all the younger working generation of Aborigines. Now that is something I would like to get odds on…you think the folks at Vanity Fair can help me out with that?

So what are you all doing today? Anything exciting? Perhaps you will be taking your own dingoes out for a walk…be sure to share your thoughts in the comment section below, and have a great day!

27 Comments on “Sunday…Sundae with extra hot fudge, nuts and a big cherry on top.”

  1. Minkoff Minx says:

    A few other links for you to chew on:

    Small Donors Are Slow to Return to the Obama Fold –

    In interviews with dozens of low-dollar contributors in the past two weeks, some said they were unhappy with what they viewed as Mr. Obama’s overly conciliatory approach to Congressional Republicans. Others cited what they saw as a lack of passion in the president, or said the sour economy had drained both their enthusiasm and their pocketbooks.

    For still others, high hopes that Mr. Obama would deliver a new kind of politics in his first term have been dashed by the emergence of something that, to them, more resembles politics as usual.

    “When I was pro-Obama in 2008, I was thinking of him as a leader who could face the challenges that we were tackling,” said Adnan Alasadi, who works in behavioral health in Mesa, Ariz. Mr. Alasadi contributed repeatedly to Mr. Obama during his first campaign but says he will not give the president — or anyone else — any more money.

    “Now I am seeing him as just an opportunistic politician,” Mr. Alasadi said.

    The Daily Mail is trying to agitate the pot:
    BBC turns its back on year of Our Lord: 2,000 years of Christianity jettisoned for politically correct ‘Common Era’ | Mail Online
    This is more along the lines of an American religious right talking point. I agree with Simon Schama.

    ‘They are terms which most people use and are clearly understood.’ Historian Simon Schama, who has presented several programmes for the BBC, said…

    ‘I have been familiar with them since the Fifties, so it’s not like the BBC have just made them up.’

    Speaking of Mt. Everest:
    Tourist flight crashes in Nepal, killing 19 aboard –

    And on the disaster aid front:

    With Dems and Republicans hurtling towards a government shutdown over the disaster relief funding fight, the nonpartisan U.S. Conference of Mayors has fired off a letter to GOP and Dem Congressional leaders, urging them to fund disaster relief right away, without offsetting it with spending cuts elsewhere:
    Dear Leader Reid, Leader McConnell, Speaker Boehner, and Leader Pelosi:

    I write on behalf of the nation’s mayors to urge you to replenish the Disaster Relief Fund right away and to do so without requiring other programs to be cut. If anything warrants emergency funding, it is disaster assistance. To do otherwise violates our nation’s commitment to its communities and their residents and small businesses to help them recover from disasters — events over which they have no control.

    As a nation we have always considered helping our communities and their residents recover from disasters a key function of government. The Disaster Relief Fund is expected to run out of money next week. Approved projects in communities that had disasters six months or a year ago, or longer, have been placed on hold so that what are considered more urgent needs from the more recent spate of disasters can be met. For the people in the communities with “older” disasters — like Des Moines and Joplin — who have been forced from their homes and workplaces, the needs seem pretty urgent.

    The nation appears on target this year to experience a record number of disasters, with 81 declared thus far. Compounding the problems are the serious economic and unemployment problems we face — problems which have significantly limited the ability of local and state governments to provide their share of the help that is needed. When their revenues are down, other federal funds have been cut, and some have been forced to lay off first responders, this is not the time for the federal government to renege on its responsibilities.

    The nation’s mayors urge you to do the right thing and replenish the Disaster Relief Fund now!


    Tom Cochran

    CEO and Executive Director

      • dakinikat says:

        I wouldn’t want to have a woman as a patient with even the slightest possibility of being pregnant if I were a doctor in Mississippi. If she has a miscarriage or something I’d think you’d be brought up on murder or accessory charges.

      • northwestrain says:

        “Personhood’ is a threat to all women of reproductive age — when did women become “families”?

        Anyway — spontaneous abortions/miscarriages happen in about 15% to 30% of pregnancies. Then there is the unknown number where fertilization takes place but abnormalities in the cells — women aren’t even aware of the ones that happen within their normal cycles. Will these women be put and jail and be at risk for execution/murder by the state?

        So does this mean that women will be monitored just like slaves and must check in with state appointed slave owners every month and turn over physical samples and a computer generated log of all their activities that month? Who will be paying for this intense monitoring of all reproductive women?

        Just a quick check of source information — forced pregnancy will cause an huge increase in female mortality rate. Older women will be at risk — known dangers of pregnancy in older women.

        I’ll like to propose an alternative law — forced castration of all males who vote for the law making women slaves.

      • Minkoff Minx says:

        Oh I know Dak, this personhood deal would make doctors liable…what about women who have IUD? Does that mean those would be illegal?

        And what the hell is wrong with the Democrats in that state, the DNC should be pressing them to act like democrats! It just makes me so mad, that I can’t even get my thoughts together in a coherent way.

  2. The Rock says:

    My goodness Minx!! Did you go to 50% of all the webs on the net?! You covered just about everything! You, BB, Dak and the rest of the fronpagers are really the best! 🙂

    Just a few additions….

    The glow is wearing off….

    I’m always leery when I’m told to shut up and follow. I’m not sure this is one of his best tactics…

    This is what the world is FINALLY starting to see about the great communicator. Asshat…

    A good friend and co-worker in the reserves was just called up for duty and is headed to Iraq next week (hasn’t the predsident been telling everybody that we are out of there now?) He works in communication/intelligence, so he won’t be on the front lines, but anything can happen. He just got engaged and I want to be at the wedding. Be well and enjoy today’s football!!

    Hillary 2012

    • Minkoff Minx says:

      Thanks Rock, that link about Obama’s address to the Black Caucus is something else. For someone who is constantly complaining and whines about the GOP, and blames everyone but himself for his inadequacies… how can he expect stand there and ridicule the Black Caucus and by extension, the black voters.

      • Minkoff Minx says:

        Here is what Lambert says about that:
        President Fuck You to black base: STFU, and I really need your money | Corrente

        What an asshole:

        [OBAMA TO THE CBC] “I don’t have time [even on the golf course?] to feel sorry for myself . I don’t have time to complain, … I am going to press on. I expect [give me money] all of you to march [Oooh! Civil rights era echo!] with me. Stop complaining, stop grumbling, stop crying. We [who?] are going to press on.”

        Where to begin?

      • The Rock says:

        I listened to his address to the CBC and thought the exact same thing. The black community really doesn’t want much. Hillary is a woman and champions womens rights. Nobody on earth would begrudge this president if he purposely directed help to the black community. Hell, everyone EXPECTED him to (being that 90% of the black community voted for him). Rather, he excoriates and belittles his strongest supporters. It’s surreal that he is so tone deaf. He is REALLY playing with fire.

        Hillary 2012

  3. dakinikat says:

    Wow, so much fun stuff tucked around that depressing news on women’s reproductive rights. The Saturday night sketch is a riot and I love your list. Of course, my money is on those pelicans who had the audacity to wear those oil costumes !!! Drill baby drill!!!

  4. dakinikat says:

    A little progress in Saudi Arabia:
    Saudi king says women will gain the right to vote

  5. dakinikat says:

    Via Delphyne and Blue Lyon: Space Junk

  6. northwestrain says:

    NYC cops at their finest — corralling women protesters– and then at 49-50 seconds into the Youtube clip — a uniformed officer RUNS up and sprays pepper straight into the faces of the three women in the face — there was no warning — the cop run up and boom sprays the toxic stuff into the eyes of the women. The women are standing in a plastic net being held by cops. The women are upset at watching the police riot and beat up protesters — but the women are standing on the sidewalk — and are no threat to anyone. At least on NYC cop is caught on tape being a sadistic creep. I’m betting that at least some of the cops should be in jail as steroid abusers.

    NYC cops — sexist pigs.

  7. northwestrain says:

    About schooling back in the dark ages. We had civics — and were able to discuss current events — as well as knowing who all the Supremes were — the elected officials for our state.

    And not only that we took economics — and after checking out several college economics text books (undergrad level) I discovered that we were also given a solid understanding of basic economics. We had to understand the basics well enough to do a research paper on economics. That was high school.

    Students in the school district where I pay taxes — are simply not as aware of current events or politics and they don’t learn anything about economics (most think my question is about home economics). They do watch several Hollywood religious films — which is called “history” by the teachers. The high school Biology teacher is from one of the religious fundamentalist colleges and he teaches Creation “science”. So if you happen to wonder where the fundy college graduates are going — think — perhaps your local school district.

  8. paper doll says:

    great round up …love the Aurora from space

  9. paper doll says:

    The NYC cops and the soldiers in Afghanistan as shown in this thread are psychologically linked. The powers that be have to give the yahoos free rein fun on weaker than them targets…it’s a perk they must have to motivate the troops. And really in both cases if you aren’t rich enough to buy them off and reduced to protesting in your streets or fighting in your land …well you are fair game.

    • northwestrain says:

      This does seem to be another era of the survival of the fittest/richest.

      Notice the age of the kids protesting — their age group is being screwed — jobs are hard or impossible to find. (One report I read called this young generation — the LOST generation.) Even college graduates aren’t getting paid what they should be — many are clerking — at entry level high school grad jobs. They have every right to protest — it is the cops who are violent.

      This reminds me of the Vietnam era protests — the cops were often the ones who were violent. And often college going to classes was risky (in California) under Gov Ray-gun the cops were often violent or threatened students. I’ve talked to people who were students at Berkeley — daily dosing of tear gas which often affected anyone downwind — in classes or the library. My sister has in her collection of the era, a bloody police baton that a cop had tossed in an alley in Berkeley. She was in high school — and the high school students would go the the cop riot zone afterwards to see all the blood etc. College students were the “enemy” — if you were to believe all the bumper stickers in the Bay Area in the 70s. When cops threatened us and pointed rifles at us simply because we tried to go to class — that doesn’t leave warm memories about cops.

      For the kids on the frontline in today’s protests — many won’t have good feelings about cops. Probably best to learn now that cop’s agenda isn’t peace and harmony.

      • paper doll says:

        round the world the youth unemployment numbers are amazing…of course they are the group most likely to riot , having the dmost energy .it doesn’t seem an accident…because when they do riot, sweeping new measures and crack downs are brought in for everyone….social reform to the fascist end of the scale happens at wrap speed without a peep. The UK riots and the coverage is a case in point. It started with a wrongful death of a young man by the police …during a peaceful protest about it , police attacked the group…and mayhem ensued….. thanks to the lack of jobs or futures, riots erupted elsewhere …but in the papers it was simply portrayed as looters gone wild out of the blue because they are evil kids. …and the media, which for weeks said little about Murdoch’s and his upper crust lackeys decades of crime, was unleashed and at full” hang them high” roar ….expect this pattern to continue

  10. dakinikat says:

    Okay, I’ve got an interesting situation I’ve been thinking about. Doctor Daughter is doing a round in high risk ob gyn right now. She has a young woman that is 5’5″ and weighs about 430 lbs that just delivered her first live birth. She’s had like five other pregnancies where the baby died in the third trimester in uteri because of complications from the mother’s weight and her diabetes. So, basically, every time she gets pregnant there’s a huge chance she’ll never be able to have a live birth because of her health issues. So, do you think the Mississippi fetal death law would brand her a murderer because she keeps having pregnancies that will most likely end in fetal death? Do you hold ob/gyns responsible for not stopping her from having pregnancies that end in fetal death at a point where there’s possible viability even?