Sunday Reads: Fair Pay in Texas? Hell No. Have a Merry Christmas, Texan Style? You bet your…

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Good Morning

Well, I guess you can tell from the title of the post, we will start this morning by talking about the big ol’ state of Texas.

This is the first link from Addicting Info, I have a few links from the AI blog today…anyway, here is the latest strike down in Governor GoodHair’s War on Women,  Rick Perry Vetoes Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay – Senfronia Thompson Reacts

On Friday, June 14, Texas Governor Rick Perry vetoed House Bill 950 (HB 950). HB 950 would have brought Texas into compliance with the federal Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009 signed by President Barack Obama. The bill makes it easier for women to sue employers over wage discrimination between their male counterparts.

You can find a video  interview at the link with,

Texas District 141 Representative, and Chair of the Local and Consent Calendars, Senfronia Thompson, the author of HB 950. She states that she was shocked and disappointed that Texas Governor Rick Perry vetoed the bill. She said she meticulously worked with Republicans to formulate a bill that could garner support in from both parties in both chambers of the legislature.

The bill was passed in the Texas House on April 25, 2013. It passed the Texas Senate on May 22, 2013. The bill was passed by a bipartisan legislature that is dominated by Republicans.

So, Perry even vetoed a bill that was passed by a bunch of Republicans. Sigh. But don’t you worry, at least one thing is safe in Texas, thanks to Perry…because on the same day he vetoed the Fair Pay bill, he signed the “Merry Christmas” bill. Texas Gov. Perry signs ‘Merry Christmas’ bill into law

Surrounded by sleigh bell-ringing Santa Claus impersonators, Gov. Rick Perry on Thursday signed a law protecting Christmas and other holiday celebrations in Texas public schools from legal challenges – but also stressed that freedom of religion is not the same thing as freedom from religion.

It was a serious tone for an otherwise fun bill-signing and should bolster the governor’s Christian conservative credentials before he travels to Washington for the Faith & Freedom Coalition’s “Road to Majority” conference with the likes of tea party darlings and U.S. Sens. Marco Rubio of Florida, Kentucky’s Rand Paul and fellow Texan Ted Cruz.

Dubbed the “Merry Christmas” bill, the bipartisan measure sailed through the state House and Senate to reach Perry’s desk.

It removes legal risks of saying “Merry Christmas” in schools while also protecting traditional holiday symbols, such as a menorah or nativity scene, so long as more than one religion and a secular symbol are also reflected.

Oh, may the Gawds be praised!  At least they have the token secular symbol and “other” religious holiday symbol as a requirement. Believe me, this Merry Christmas bill is still going to piss off some people, cough…. Gretchen Carlson.  Anyway, the sponsor of the bill Republican Rep. Dwayne Bohac of Houston said:

…of Perry: “This is not a governor that shirks away from the tough issues. And this should not be a tough issue, which is what’s even amazing about all this. But this is just political correctness that’s run a-muck and our brains have been completely fallen out as a result.”

tumblr_mkfcaj3xKd1s4c1kfo2_r1_500Funny, it seems like he sure as hell shirked that big “tough” issue of fair pay.

I am going to move on to another “tough” issue, this link is also from Addicting Info, it is a very good post,   Navy Judge Rules Rapists Shouldn’t Be Discharged (VIDEO)

Is the military just completely tone-deaf on the issue of sexual assault and rape in its ranks? Are those who’ve deigned themselves mouthpieces of the military just as clueless in their defense of this heinous situation? It would certainly seem so. Not only are the numbers staggering and inexplicable, but we’ve got idiotic conservatives blaming military rape on pornography, hyper-sensitive feminists, and “hormone level created by nature,” illustrating not only their profound cluelessness about the pathology of rapists, but the reasons why so many rapes and assaults go unreported. In fact, in a recent high-profile case where a victim did speak up and go to trial, the commander overturned the jury verdict to allow a rapist the freedom to advance in the ranks while his victim was stigmatized out of the service.

It’s entrenched, systemic corruption within what has been a very macho, male-dominated culture and it doesn’t appear the powers-that-be intend to take appropriate responsibility for the disturbed, entitled, misogynist criminals under its jurisdiction who are acting out with impunity and, in too many circumstances, to few consequences.

Okay, now get ready for it…

Latest case in point: Navy Judge Commander Marcus Fulton has just ruled that comments made by the President regarding military rape “would unduly influence” any potential sentencing in the cases of two defendants in military sexual assault cases, U.S. vs. Johnson and U.S. vs. Fuentes. Stars and Stripes reports that, per the judge’s ruling, should the two men be found guilty, they cannot be punitively discharged because of “unlawful command influence,” meaning, because of what President Obama, as the Commander in Chief, said. Would you like to know what incendiary, unduly prejudicial, trial-influencing comments the president made, so inflammatory that if two servicemen are actually found guilty of violently raping they should not be punished?

“The bottom line is: I have no tolerance for this,” Obama said, according to an NBC News story submitted as evidence by defense attorneys in the sexual assault cases.

‘I expect consequences,” Obama added. “So I don’t just want more speeches or awareness programs or training, but ultimately folks look the other way. If we find out somebody’s engaging in this, they’ve got to be held accountable — prosecuted, stripped of their positions, court martialed, fired, dishonorably discharged. Period.”

Do I hear the deafening roar of incredulity at the notion that these comments could possibly be framed as cause to excuse two rapists from punishment? Maybe that roar is just in my head, but damn, it is loud.

No, it the roar is in my head too.  I will continue to post more of this article written by because I have to…

As a woman, a human being; an American, I’m writing this with a knot of rage in my stomach, rage at the notion that a Navy judge could take these firm but generic comments of appropriate anger, comments that are not only justified but, if anything, not strong enough, and use them as justification for NOT PUNISHING RAPISTS. It is unconscionable, amoral, certainly indefensible. But the judge not only stands by his ruling, he seems to think “members of the public” would be incapable of reading Obama’s anger at the horrific, systemic rape of both male and female service members as anything other than a direct command from him… a hypnotic order that would supercede any ability on their part to make judicious decisions about each individual case at hand. Sheep, listening and following the cult leader. Dear God. But here are his own words:

“A member of the public would not hear the President’s statement to be a simple admonition to hold members accountable,” Fulton stated. “A member of the public would draw the connection between the ‘dishonorable discharge’ required by the President and a punitive discharge approved by the convening authority.

“The strain on the system created by asking a convening authority to disregard [Obama’s] statement in this environment would be too much to sustain public confidence.”

And guess what follows this logic? Defense attorneys gleefully grabbing the ruling to use as a “way out” for their rapist (alleged…. I know) clients.

“I think that as a defense attorney, I would raise this argument in virtually any [sexual assault] case I had,” said Victor Hansen, vice president of the National Institute of Military Justice and former instructor at the Army’s JAG school.

However, in recent months there has been a lot more said — and in overly specific terms — about sexual assault by military and political leaders, Hansen noted. Obama’s call for dishonorable discharges is an example of such specificity, which begins to sound to military juries like a direct order from the commander in chief.

“This is bad lawyering on [Obama’s] advisor’s part,” Hansen said. “It’s certainly not a problem to say that sexual assault is a bad thing and we need to weed it out … that’s innocuous. It’s when they get very pointed that it’s problematic.”

So there you go; Obama’s verbiage was parsed as “too pointed” – daring to suggest consequences –  and those who would go to any lengths to get military rapists off, excluded from commensurate punishment and consequence, are now licking their chops at the convenience of the judge’s ruling and how it will positively affect their own cases.

So far no one in the Navy judicial branch, JAG, is willing to address the ruling or its subsequent impact, though they did confirm its authenticity. Nor has the White House yet addressed the issue. But the 26,000 military rape and sexual assault victims of the past year, both male and female, are surely feeling, once again, victimized by a system that seems hellbent on doing everything to protect criminals within its ranks and little or nothing to defend, support and find justice for those who’ve been assaulted, raped, hurt, traumatized and, in many cases, pressured out of the military.

WHEN WILL THIS CHANGE?

tumblr_mkbpf5FC5T1s4c1kfo2_r1_500Sickening.

You know, when the Newtown Shooting happened, my dad said that was the turning point…he said that was so horrible that people would demand tighter gun laws…he said the outrage would bring about change. At the time I told him no, there would be no changes made, sure we would have people talking about it, and laws would get proposed but nothing would change.

I know that there is plenty of attention, well let’s just say temporary attention lately on the military’s “culture” toward sexual assault. And honestly, like the gun control laws…and the equal pay bills, I just feel that there are some things which will never change. At least in my lifetime. Because it seems that they didn’t changed in my grandmother’s lifetime…they are definitely not going to in my mom’s lifetime…and I highly doubt they will in mine.

Boy, I seem to sound like a Cassandra don’t I?

Okay, like I said in the beginning of this post, there is one more link from Addicting Info, this one goes hand in hand with a link I saw on Susie Madrak’s blog. Y’all know the horrible time my family had with Bank of America, and the many times we sent our modification papers in, only to get another letter saying we have to send the same documents once again.

Well, check this shit out. As Susie puts it: BoA gave cash bonuses for HAMP foreclosures

No, it wasn’t just bad luck when that Bank of America rep kept telling you they “never got the paperwork.” We’ve been hearing these disgusting stories for a long time. Glad to hear they’re making their way into court, where there’s at least a chance that Bank of America might actually pay for some of their sins:

Bank of America Corp. (BAC), the second-biggest U.S. lender, rewarded staff with cash bonuses and gift cards for meeting quotas tied to sending distressed homeowners into foreclosure, former employees said in court documents.

Mortgage workers falsified records and were told to delay U.S. loan-assistance applications by requesting paperwork that the Charlotte, North Carolina-based bank had already received, according to statements from ex-employees filed last week in federal court in Boston. The lender improperly disqualified applicants to the Home Affordable Modification Program, or HAMP, according to a May 23 statement from Simone Gordon, a loss-mitigation specialist who left the company in 2012.

Bank of America Corp. is being sued by homeowners who didn’t receive permanent loan modifications after making payments under trial programs, according to court papers.

“We were regularly drilled that it was our job to maximize fees for the bank by fostering and extending delay of the HAMP modification process by any means we could,” Gordon said. Managers instructed staff to “delay modifications by telling homeowners who called in that their documents were ‘under review,’ when in fact, there had been no review,” she said.

Bank of America, which has spent more than $45 billion to settle claims tied to its 2008 takeover of Countrywide Financial Corp., is being sued by homeowners who didn’t receive permanent loan modifications after making payments under trial programs, according to court papers. Statements from seven former loan employees were included in a filing last week as part of plaintiffs’ attempt to gain class-action status. The lender has denied the allegations.

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Bank of America has managed to make the news yet again, but not for the right reasons. According to several ex-employees, Bank of America systematically declined homeowners the ability to modify their loans under the government’s Home Affordable Modification Program, or HAMP. Bank of America rewarded staff with various perks, including cash bonuses and gift cards, for meeting quotas by sending homeowners seeking loan modifications into foreclosure. With these new explosive allegations, a new lawsuit is being brought against Bank of America. The former employees’ testimonies and revelations will strengthen the lawsuit, which is a consolidation of 29 separate suits against the bank from across the United States and is seeking class action certification. According to court documents, the lawsuit is being brought by homeowners who didn’t receive permanent loan modifications after meeting their obligations under the trail programs.

I knew those BoA basturds were doing this kind of crap.  I wonder what kind of slap on the wrist they will get for this shit.

This post is getting rather long so here are the rest of the morning’s links, real quick like.

There is a lot of news out of the Middle East this weekend, so I have some articles for you to look at:

Heavy Pressure Led to Decision by Obama on Syrian Arms – NYTimes.com

For two years, President Obama has resisted being drawn deeper into the civil war in Syria. It was a miserable problem, he told aides, and not one he thought he could solve. At most, it could be managed. And besides, he wanted to be remembered for getting out of Middle East wars, not embarking on new ones.

So when Mr. Obama agreed this week for the first time to send small arms and ammunition to Syrian rebel forces, he had to be almost dragged into the decision at a time when critics, some advisers and even Bill Clinton were pressing for more action. Coming so late into the conflict, Mr. Obama expressed no confidence it would change the outcome, but privately expressed hope it might buy time to bring about a negotiated settlement.

You can read the rest of the article and speculation about the meaning behind how the aid to Syrian rebels was announced at the link.

Juan Cole: An Outbreak of Reasonableness in Tehran: Top Ten Conclusions from Iran’s Early Election Returns | Informed Comment

Update: Centrist Hassan Rouhani is Iran’s new president, having won a massive victory in a field of 6 candidates. 13:19 ET, 6/15/13

Early election returns in Iran suggest that former National Security adviser and nuclear negotiator Hassan Rouhani may have won over 50% of the vote, in which case he will have won without needing to go to a second round. Too early to tell if that is so. While it is true that the president in Iran is more like the typical US vice president and is relatively powerless, he can nevertheless set a tone and initiate policies slightly different from those of Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei. Iran is not yet a totalitarian dictatorship, and Khamenei himself has sometimes been forced to tack with the wind. Any change will be slow and at the margins, but it could nevertheless be significant in a very polarized world.

U.S. Considers Military Plan for No-Fly Zone in Syria – Wall Street Journal – WSJ.com

Syria lashes out at Egypt decision to sever ties- Newsday

String of Car Bombs Kill Dozens in Iraq – NYTimes.com

Large Risks in Erdogan’s Harsh Stand – NYTimes.com

tumblr_mk9uqjdSgp1s4c1kfo2_r1_500In the US….and stuff:

Rain, Cooler Weather Slow Colorado Fire | WNIJ and WNIU

NYC dispatcher spent almost 8 hours on stroke call | Fox News

Exclusive – Wal-Mart’s everyday hiring strategy: Add more temps | Reuters -No surprises there.

What’s Really on Trial in George Zimmerman’s Case? | Black Agenda Report

Menopause: An Evolutionary Response To Men Chasing Younger Women?

Osteoporosis drug stops growth of breast cancer cells, even in resistant tumors, study suggests

Digby: Sometimes a tweet is just a tweet: Queen of the Village holds forth on Hillary. Again.

Cheetahs’ Secret Weapon – A Tight Turning Radius – NYTimes.com

One more link for you, it is really just a picture, I realize this is one of the first Sunday reads I have written without a history link…so in lieu of a long historic read, I will give you this…a medieval knight…guinea pig style, talk about “your mother being a hamster…”Anyway, enjoy:

Keep your guinea pig protected with a rodent-sized suit of armor

Keep your guinea pig protected with a rodent-sized suit of armor

If your guinea pig routinely dashes off into armed combat (or just likes the look of scale mail), you might want to outfit him or her in this handsome suit of armor, perfect for rolly-polly rodents.

After Lucky, the original owner of the armor and model for these photos, passed away, eBay seller mightys0x decided to auction off Lucky’s armor. All of the proceeds from the auction will go to Metropolitan Guinea Pig Rescue in Virginia, the organization that rescued and adopted out Lucky. Lucky’s owner made the scale mail and purchased the tiny helmet. The auction ends on June 21st.

Hand-made Guinea Pig Scale-Mail and Helmet (Armor) [eBay via David Willis]

Anyone with a friend who has a guinea pig, and is fond of Monty Python?

And finally, I know that today is Father’s Day, so for all those Daddy’s out there:

Father’s Day by Political Cartoonist Kap

133119 600 Fathers Day cartoons

Have a wonderful day, and if you are around, let us know what you are thinking and reading about today.


55 Comments on “Sunday Reads: Fair Pay in Texas? Hell No. Have a Merry Christmas, Texan Style? You bet your…”

  1. Happy Father’s Day!

    • Eric says:

      I was going to say, you had a big spread for Mother’s Day, but no mention (till now) of Father’s Day? Thanks for correcting that a little…

  2. List of X says:

    Since BoA lawsuit is filed by the homeowners rather than the government that cares about the protection of Too Big To Fail above anything else, it could potentially end up more than the slap on the wrist.

  3. bostonboomer says:

    Good morning!

    Markey is leading Gomez by 13 points in the MA Senate race.

    • RalphB says:

      Go Markey! Now i people will only go vote.

    • RalphB says:

      Rohani, he “moderate” cleric, won the presidency in Iran.

    • roofingbird says:

      That’s great, I sent a little money, but he it sounds like he could use some more.

      • this is my take on the decision to send weapons to Syrian. best case scenario it prolongs a civil war more people will die. worst case scenario we funnel arms to Syrian rebels . Russia responds doing the same thing , the someone happens that sends spins this out of control. it could easily turn into a major conflict with Russia it allies and the United states and its allies.

      • bostonboomer says:

        Markey is loaded, are you kidding?

        • roofingbird says:

          No, are you? He believes the Repugs have $700,000 to play with yet. He has been trying to close on $150,000 for over a week now.

          He’s ahead, he’s your state guy, maybe you know something I don’t.

        • roofingbird says:

          No, are you? He believes the Repugs have $700,000 to play with yet. He has been trying to close on $150,000 for over a week now.

          He’s ahead, he’s your state guy, maybe you know something I don’t.

          • roofingbird says:

            Sorry about the duplicate again. It appears that this happens when I try to respond via the brown WordPress button with the caption icon at the top of the screen.

  4. cygnus says:

    Zoiks! That menopause bullshit is about as sensical as the “women’s reproductive systems shut down during rape” theory.

    I never thought, growing up in the seventies, we would go *backwards* like this. What a buncha baloney.

  5. cygnus says:

    What’s been fomenting for me since the NSA thing is more about a larger picture I have seen unfolding. It is dominating patriarchal authority-grab at its worst. Those questioning “authority” are being systematically categorized as de facto “threats” (see last link).

    The obviousness of militarized police, (who appear to presume everyone is a dangerous criminal, and behave accordingly,) went viral around the time of occupy, and was on display big time during the Boston thing. It’s horrifying to see ordinary police with chemical weapons, electric weapons, mechanical weapons, firearms, etc making arrests for minor (or even no) infractions as if they were taking down an insane marauder. “Resisting arrest” seems like the Excuse du Jour for brutalizing people; but who wouldn’t resist if the arrest was bogus or excessively forceful? There appears to be little or no accountability when this excessive force is perpetrated–and the onus is then on the victim to penetrate a self-protective system to put things to right.

    I am really scared of this increasing precedent of “resisting arrest” being carte blanche for use of any kind of force. It is like a blanket order to “Submit.”

    recent horrific overreaches:

    http://www.alternet.org/police-brutality

    Here, the guy is just trying not to get slammed into the floor or wall:

    http://raniakhalek.com/2013/06/03/video-26-cops-violently-arrest-nonthreatening-black-man-in-harlem-subway-station/

    Here, the officer refuses to tell them what they will be charged with after warning them they will be arrested for dancing as a protest. At the end, the arrest is *way* out of proportion:

    http://patdollard.com/2011/05/cindy-sheehan-and-adam-kokesh-arrested-for-dancing-protest-at-jefferson-memorial/

    I dont’ think it’s AlexJonesy to notice we are swiftly losing our rights as people to resist unreasonable authority, or to point out organized corporate/government crime when we see it in action.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/earth-insight/2013/jun/14/climate-change-energy-shocks-nsa-prism

  6. On TCM now they are having All the King’s Men…

  7. cygnus says:

    Chris Pyle making some good points about discrediting whistelblowers, the fourth amendment and privatiziation, and the King’s Men in general:

    http://truth-out.org/news/item/16971-chris-pyle-whistleblower-on-domestic-spying-in-70s-says-be-wary-of-attacks-on-nsas-critics

    • bostonboomer says:

      Do you really consider it whistleblowing when a US citizen reveals classified information about U.S. espionage directed at Russia and China? Snowden even provided Hong Kong and Mainland china with specific IP addresses that were targeted! Do you really believe those countries are spying on us too? But it’s not OK when the US does it?

      None of the “scoops” that have come out today have anything to do with protecting civil liberties of Americans. It seems to me that Snowden could have gotten more information on domestic spying, but instead he is focused on hurting the U.S. as much as he possibly can.

      Am I really the only one who is concerned about the damage this is going to do to our country?

  8. bostonboomer says:

    Cnet changes its headline and walks back the claim that NSA analysts can listen to people’s phone calls at will. Rep. Nadler apparently got assurances from the administrations.

    Added paragraph:

    James Owens, a spokesman for Nadler, provided a statement on Sunday morning, a day after this article was published, saying: “I am pleased that the administration has reiterated that, as I have always believed, the NSA cannot listen to the content of Americans’ phone calls without a specific warrant.” Owens said he couldn’t comment on what assurances from the Obama administration Nadler was referring to, and said Nadler was unavailable for an interview. (CNET had contacted Nadler for comment on Friday.)

  9. if what the NSA is doing is not illegal it should be

    • bostonboomer says:

      So you think it should be illegal for the US to spy on enemy countries, but not for them to spy on the US?

      • I should be more clear the superspy gate that is going on the NSA is doing to American’s should be illegal . as far as US to spy on enemy countries,? countries have been spying on other countries since there have been countries. and that will continue no matter what anyone dose.

        • the our GOV our anyone’s GOV spy monitors what every you what to call it . starts to become a totalitarianism form of GOV & to me that what looks like the seeds of what we might be seeing.

          • and if you listen to them it the same ole song & dance reason they use. we have to take your freedom away so we can protect you from the terrorist . & they say they have proof it works but the cant give you the details because it a national security issue & the country’s best interest that you don’t know.

        • bostonboomer says:

          But that is what Snowden is leaking about now, not the govt spying on Americans.

          • the whole Snowden thing is just a sideshow . the real question should not be every deal of who snowden is or his girlfriends pole dancing YouTube sites . it what is the gov doing & why
            there’s not been very much reporting from the MSM about the top NSA man lying to congress. but if snowden has given state secrets the foreign country’s . then know I don’t agree with that’s wrong on all .kinds of levels. & there no justification for it. but what exactly has he given them ?

          • bostonboomer says:

            I give up.

            If you would take the trouble to read my comments above, you’d see that the media is having to “pull the plug” on their over-hyped stories about Snowden’s “revelations.”

            Apparently a lot of people don’t want to find out what is really happening and then try to deal with it. They’d rather just scream about imaginary conspiracy theories. Meanwhile, the government probably is doing things that are wrong and unconstitutional–but if we don’t bother to find out the truth about what they are doing, how are we supposed to change it?

        • these type of peppole have been doing these type of scare tactics on there own people in an attempt to grab more power since mankind’s birth. what we are seeing today in the 21 century version of it. but the real problem is the people who are more the eager to give them there freedoms. because without them . the people going for the power grabs our virtually powerless & they know it.

          • the real question we need to be asking ourselves is why. . why is the virtually no outrage from congress . why is the media not salivating over this story . instead they concentrate on every detail of snowden life even his girlfriends you tube channel has more coverage from the MSM then the NSA lieing to congress . why is there not real outrage ?. that the real question we need to be asking ourselves –why?

          • RalphB says:

            The real question I need to ask is, what the fuck are you talking about? The media blew this story completely out of proportion with hype and hysterics to begin with. That’s why some of it is being walked back now. The original reporting was bullshit.

          • roofingbird says:

            Sorry about the duplicate again. It appears that this happens when I try to respond via the brown WordPress button with the caption icon at the top of the screen.

          • roofingbird says:

            Well, now things aren’t nesting right,

            To take a bit of a tangent from Boogis’s comments, there is this discussion from Naomi Wolf on her Facebook page:

            https://www.facebook.com/notes/naomi-wolf/my-creeping-concern-that-the-nsa-leaker-is-not-who-he-purports-to-be-/10151559239607949

          • bostonboomer says:

            I read Naomi Wolf’s nonsensical conspiracy theory a couple of days ago. She sounds like Alex Jones–did you know she appears on his radio show? She has really gone off the deep end. This is worse than when she tried to convince people Obama was a feminist.

  10. RalphB says:

    GCHQ intercepted foreign politicians’ communications at G20 summits

    Am I supposed to be outraged about this highly expected revelation? I’m only pissed that it got leaked.

    • bostonboomer says:

      I’m waiting for some actual leaks on the spying against Americans. Yesterday we had reports about things that happened in 2005! If Snowden really threw away his life for what we’ve seen so far, he is a very strange person.

      As far as I can tell, his only goal was to damage U.S. foreign affairs as much as he possibly could. Now that he has revealed specifics on U.S. espionage in China, he will either have to defect or he could be prosecuted for treason.

      • bostonboomer says:

        Frankly, if I were dreaming up a conspiracy theory, I’d suspect this is an operation designed to cause the most possible embarrassment to the U.S. First Snowden leaked about our spying on China (nowhere near as blatant as their spying on us) on the eve of Obama’s meeting w/Chinese leader. Then yesterday the Guardian published info to embarrass both the U.S. and U.K. on the eve of the G8 summit and Obama’s meeting w/Putin. So instead of talking about Syria, Iran etc., Obama and Putin will probably be talking about the leaks.

        Yesterday, someone here said that Robert Kraft should be prosecuted for telling a story about Putin that happened in 2005, but St. Snowden can reveal current secrets and people cheer him. I feel like I’ve gone down the rabbit hole.

        • RalphB says:

          Me 3!

        • roofingbird says:

          If you are referring to me, I told you I was joking. My point was that Kraft did have direction on the ring’s dispensation from the Feds, he apparently didn’t publicly discuss it for several years, Putin is still alive and would be embarrassed by his claim, whether or not its true, the Feds have reason to be concerned over diplomatic relations right now due to Syria, we are not privy to what is determined to be classified, and there are some ridiculous things that have been classified over the years, as we know from the Vietnam War and more recent events.

          • bostonboomer says:

            I’m sorry, I missed that you said you were joking. I didn’t recall who had said that. You also posted Naomi Wolf’s bizarre conspiracy theory. If you were joking with that too, sorry. But then why wouldn’t you object to Snowden’s revealing specific targets of U.S. espionage?

            I still can’t see any argument for Robert Kraft not telling his story even if the Bush administration asked him not to years ago. They had no authority to order him not the tell it.

          • roofingbird says:

            If we were to follow Naomi’s logic, it would be possible that the Feds had something to do with Kraft’s story being released right now.

            I just don’t think we really know anything real about the Snowden affair. I don’t think we will know unless and until there is some sort of trial that is open and not buried in some military court somewhere. I do think we have to read everything we can even if it seems bizarre.

            Maybe you think I am dancing on the head of a pin. However, it seems to me that spycraft and metadata gathering meet the essence of the debate over morality versus ethics. Essentially good, we hope, people are tasked to do morally evil things. The greater the divergence between morality and ethics, the harder to keep the line unblurred.

            I wasn’t there, I don’t know what happened. I don’t know what is driving his actions now. I can only do my best to gather facts, non facts and other information..