Thursday Reads: Demographics, Anti-Science Republicans, and Biblical Views of Rape

Good Morning!!

The meme of the day yesterday was that Latino voters reelected President Obama. As usual, the role of women in the election is getting short shrift. In fact, the gender gap this year was even bigger than in 2008. At HuffPo, Laura Bassett writes:

According to CNN’s exit polls, 55 percent of women voted for Obama, while only 44 percent voted for Mitt Romney. Men preferred Romney by a margin of 52 to 45 percent, and women made up about 54 percent of the electorate. In total, the gender gap on Tuesday added up to 18 percent — a significantly wider margin than the 12-point gender gap in the 2008 election.

Women’s strong support in the swing states gave Obama a significant advantage over Romney, despite his losses among men and independents. While Obama lost by 10 percentage points among independents in Ohio, he won by 12 points among women in the state. In New Hampshire, women voted for Obama over Romney by a margin of 58 to 42 percent, while men preferred Romney by a narrow 4-point gap. Pennsylvania showed a 16-point gender gap that tipped the scale toward Obama.

Yes, Latinos voted for Obama by a wide margin, but guess what? There was a gender gap there too.

Overall Obama won three out of every four votes (75%) cast by Hispanic women and 63% of Hispanic men, a 12-point gender gap. Four years ago the gap was only four points as Obama won 64% of men and 68% of Latino women. Romney won 35% of Latino men and 24% of women.

Here’s another interesting demographic factoid: there isn’t much of a gender gap when it comes to voters wanting to keep abortion legal, and that holds true with Latinos as well as voters overall.

Exit poll results found that about two-thirds of Hispanics (66%) said that abortion should be legal while 28% disagreed. Among all voters, a somewhat smaller majority (59%) would allow legal abortions while 37% were opposed.

There is no gender gap on views on abortion among Hispanics or among all voters, according to national exit polling. About two-thirds of men (64%) and Latino women (67%) would permit legal abortion, as would 58% of all male voters nationally and 60% of women.

As Dakinikat noted yesterday, Republicans are busy trying to figure out how to attract Latino voters, who represent about 10% of the U.S. population. But they refuse to recognize the power of women voters, and they apparently haven’t noticed that overall, the majority of both men and women disapprove of Republicans using the government to control women’s bodies.

If the anti-science-and-math Republicans hadn’t disdained Nate Silver’s predictions, they could have been forewarned. On October 21, Silver wrote about the “historically” huge gender gap in 2012.

If only women voted, President Obama would be on track for a landslide re-election, equaling or exceeding his margin of victory over John McCain in 2008. Mr. Obama would be an overwhelming favorite in Ohio, Florida, Virginia and most every other place that is conventionally considered a swing state. The only question would be whether he could forge ahead into traditionally red states, like Georgia, Montana and Arizona.

If only men voted, Mr. Obama would be biding his time until a crushing defeat at the hands of Mitt Romney, who might win by a similar margin to the one Ronald Reagan realized over Jimmy Carter in 1980. Only California, Illinois, Hawaii and a few states in the Northeast could be considered safely Democratic. Every other state would lean red, or would at least be a toss-up.

IMHO, it would behoove both Democrats and Republicans to keep in mind that women are more than half of the electorate, and we are sick and tired of being pushed around.

In other news,

it came out yesterday that Mitch McConnell offered Marco Rubio the opportunity to run the NRSC for the midterm elections in 2014, but Rubio turned the job down. From Real Clear Politics:

Florida Sen. Marco Rubio has been courted by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell to take over the National Republican Senatorial Committee for the 2014 midterm season, but the freshman lawmaker declined the entreaty, sources told RCP.

It might seem early to think about the next campaign cycle, but Senate leadership elections will take place in short order. And given the GOP’s losses in Senate races Tuesday night, the party is looking to make some changes.

McConnell probably hoped that Rubio could help the party with it’s diversity issues.

Rubio, a rapidly rising star in the party after his huge but unlikely victory in the 2010 election, is a favorite of McConnell’s. And as a 41-year-old Cuban-American capable of delivering some of the party’s best speeches, he’s someone the GOP brass likes to put in front of the cameras. Not only is he inspirational, but he helps the diversity-challenged party bridge several divides with voters.

What’s more, Rubio is a star fundraiser who was able to pull in hundreds of thousands of dollars for Mitt Romney’s failed presidential bid, a skill that would be a boon to the Senate campaign committee. Of course, he can still be used by the NRSC to raise money, but he wouldn’t have to deal with the party’s divisive primaries as one of its leading strategists.

Much to McConnell’s chagrin — and for the second time in several months — Rubio’s career will not go in the direction that the Kentucky senator had been hoping for: When Romney was poring over running-mate prospects, McConnell was pining for Rubio, and he made his preference well known.

I just had to share this:

Dick Morris’ attempt to explain why he was so wrong in his prediction that Romney would win the election in a landslide, taking 325 electoral votes.

I’ve got egg on my face. I predicted a Romney landslide and, instead, we ended up with an Obama squeaker.

According to Morris, if Romney had won with 325 electoral votes it would have been a landslide. If Obama wins Florida, he’ll get 335 electoral votes, and it won’t be a landslide–it’ll be a “squeaker.”

The key reason for my bum prediction is that I mistakenly believed that the 2008 surge in black, Latino, and young voter turnout would recede in 2012 to “normal” levels. Didn’t happen. These high levels of minority and young voter participation are here to stay. And, with them, a permanent reshaping of our nation’s politics.

In 2012, 13% of the vote was cast by blacks. In 04, it was 11%. This year, 10% was Latino. In ’04 it was 8%. This time, 19% was cast by voters under 30 years of age. In ’04 it was 17%. Taken together, these results swelled the ranks of Obama’s three-tiered base by five to six points, accounting fully for his victory.

Morris could have done what the Obama campaign did and looked at the latest census numbers, but right wingers don’t believe in empirical evidence. But the real cause of Morris’ failure to make the correct prediction was Sandy and Chris Christie.

But the more proximate cause of my error was that I did not take full account of the impact of hurricane Sandy and of Governor Chris Christie’s bipartisan march through New Jersey arm in arm with President Obama. Not to mention Christe’s fawning promotion of Obama’s presidential leadership.

It made all the difference.

See? Morris’ mistaken prediction had nothing to do with Morris’ stupidity and the fact that he lives in the Fox News right wing bubble.

Harry Reid says he will take action to reform the filibuster rules.

From HuffPo:

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) pledged on Wednesday to change the rules of the Senate so that the minority party has fewer tools to obstruct legislative business….

“I want to work together, but I also want everyone to also understand, you cannot push us around. We want to work together,” Reid said.

“I do” have plans to change the Senate rules, he added. “I have said so publicly and I continue to feel that way … I think the rules have been abused, and we are going to work to change them. We will not do away with the filibuster, but we will make the senate a more meaningful place. We are going to make it so we can get things done.”

I sure do hope he means that.

Finally, a longer read.

I think we all agree that the Republican Party has been taken over by right wing religious nuts who claim to take the bible literally–even though they tend to pick and choose which parts of the Bible to pay attention to and which parts to ignore.

During the past couple of years, we watched Republicans in statehouses around the the country do their darnedest to take away women’s access to abortion and even contraception.

Mitt Romney chose as his VP a man who tried to change the definition of rape and who believes that rape is just another method of conception.

A string of Republican officeholders and candidates unself-consciously revealed themselves to be utter troglodytes who had bizarre notions about rape and who were quite willing to force victims of rape and incest who were impregnated to bear their perpetrators’ offspring.

If anyone thinks Republican crazies will change their minds just because women successfully voted down Todd Akin, Richard Mourdock and Rick Berg, I think they’d be sadly mistaken. I want to recommend an article I read at Alternet a few days ago: What the Bible Says About Rape. It’s long, but a very important read. Here are the opening paragraphs:

Christians of many stripes are scrambling to distance themselves, their religion, or their God from Republican comments about rape . The latest furor is about Washington State congressional candidate John Koster, who opposes abortion even in cases of rape and incest and added for good measure that “incest is so rare, I mean it’s so rare.” Before that, it was Indiana candidate Richard Mourdock, who said, “I think even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen” backed up by Texas senator John Cornyn insisting that “life is a gift from God.” These men share the January sentiment of Rick Santorum: “the right approach is to accept this horribly created — in the sense of rape — but nevertheless a gift in a very broken way, the gift of human life, and accept what God has given to you.”

Those Christians who see the Bible as a human, historical document have the right to distance themselves. Those who see the Bible as the unique and perfect revelation of the Divine, essentially dictated by God to the writers, do not. The fact is, the perspective that God intends rape babies and that such pregnancies should be allowed to run their course is perfectly biblical.

I am not going to argue here that the Bible teaches that life begins at conception. It doesn’t. The Bible writers had no concept of conception, and no Bible writer values the life of a fetus on par with the life of an infant or an older child. One does say that God knows us while we are developing in the womb, but another says he knows us even before . Levitical law prescribes a fine for a man who accidentally triggers a miscarriage . It is not the same as the penalty for manslaughter. Therapeutic abortion is never mentioned, nor is the status of the fetus that spontaneously aborts. Under Jewish law, a newborn isn’t circumcised and blessed until he is eight days old, having clearly survived the high mortality peri-natal period. For centuries the Catholic Church believed that “ensoulment” occurred and a fetus became a person at the time of quickening or first movement, sometime during the second trimester.

However, if we take the viewpoint of biblical literalists and treat the Good Book as if it were authored by a single perfect, unchanging Deity, then a man is on solid ground thinking that rape babies are part of God’s intentions.

As long as the Republican Party is controlled by “christians” who take the bible literally, women’s rights to autonomy are threatened. No woman should vote for any Republican as long as this state of affairs continues.

Now what are you reading and blogging about today?

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97 Comments on “Thursday Reads: Demographics, Anti-Science Republicans, and Biblical Views of Rape”

  1. Eric Pleim says:

    “IMHO, it would behoove both Democrats and Republicans to keep in mind that women are more than half of the electorate, and we are sick and tired of being pushed around.”

    It seems to me that women got the president they preferred, the right to choose is the law of the land and not likely to change any time soon (and 2/3 of the country now prefer it that way) AND we have the first woman senator ever from MA. There are also now a record 20 women senators.

    Add to this the fact that the two Republicans who made ignorant statements about abortion were not only roundly chastised by pretty much the entire country, but also went down to defeat in their elections.

    It seems to me that women did pretty well this time around. Not that things could not be improved, but we should take some satisfaction in the progress, Remember it was less than 100 years ago that women were beaten in the streets for trying to vote. That still blows my mind.

    • dakinikat says:

      Feminist Majority ‏@FemMajority
      Latest from @elliesmeal: #GenderGap Costly: Women’s Votes Decisive in Presidential & Senate Races #Election2012 – http://huff.to/SFJAqS

      • surfric says:

        Thank you kat for putting me up. I wrote this at 5 am, and last time I checked it had disappeared (immediately after writing it) and still wasn’t up, early this afternoon. In the past, I have had posts held up for hours while they were “moderated” but they were on my screen usually until finally approved. Recently only about half of my posts have ever made it to the blog. I asked about this a week ago on the facebook, and asked to be responded to, but got no response. If it is just a technical problem, that’s too bad and I apologize for being paranoid. I have been told more than once to take my posts elsewhere when I didn’t agree totally with something someone said, so maybe you can understand my suspicions.

        I wouldn’t bother making a stink if I didn’t really appreciate the content here. I know it takes a lot of work to do what you do, and it is quite appreciated. By the same token, sometimes I spend a fairly long time writing a post, and to have them disappear into the ether, with no explanation, is frustrating, as you can imagine.

        I’m looking forward to more good stuff from skydancers, and I hope you get your technical glitches worked out. In the meantime, let’s all rejoice at the recent victories of Warren and Obama!

  2. ANonOMouse says:

    Good Morning…..Great info BB. The polls proved exactly what we expected. I agree that the GOP/TP and the pundits are not paying enough attention to women voters. But we payed attention to it and we knew, despite the pre-election numbers from early fall, that women would go to the polls on election day and say HELL NO!!!! to those who want to take away our autonomy.

    “IMHO, it would behoove both Democrats and Republicans to keep in mind that women are more than half of the electorate, and we are sick and tired of being pushed around.”

    Absolutely right!!!!

    Also I noticed that in the polls that the 18-30 went overwhelmingly for Obama and that there was not the huge down-tick of voting in that age group that the pundits expected. I think the polling organizations need to look to Nate Silver to help them with their models, since he obviously knows more about the composition of voters and trends of voters than the people that run these polls. (R)assmussen was joke through most of the polling as was Gallup. They have some serious work to do.

    I hope everyone got caught up on their sleep last night, I sure did and I feel better this morning.

    Thanks again to SkyDancing for the great coverage you’ve all provided throughout the pre-election and election process and thanks to all commenters for being so informed and so much fun.

    • ANonOMouse says:

      I meant to incude this in my comment:

      “Exit polls on Tuesday indicated that voters from 18 to 29 years old comprised 19 percent of the national electorate, a modest 1-point uptick since 2008 but one that defies the pre-election conventional wisdom that Obama would be left at the altar by young voters.”

    • RalphB says:

      Mouse, I’ve got to admit that some of those polls had me worried about women voters, mainly Gallups, but thank goodness women came through for themselves in the end!

      Maybe the 2nd time in a row means young voters have finally decided it’s important to vote. That’s a sea change and will be good going forward.

  3. BB, I was going to use this link for later but with the damn good post you wrote, it ties in perfectly: Christian Men’s Defense Network blames Obama’s victory on ‘slut vote’ – IV Drip – Voices – The Independent

    Judging only by the number of trolls and lunatics it upset, Obama’s election victory was a good day for America. Here the Christian Men’s Defense Network hits a peak of vileness, ruing the day women were ever allowed to interfere in government and blaming Romney’s defeat on the “slut vote”.

    Under the title “What the Right Doesn’t Get About Elections” Blogger B-Skillet turns his attention to the decline of married women as an electoral force and the rise of “sluts” in their place.

    Society’s to blame: “Women want to delay marriage as long as possible so they can ‘have it all,’ and usually ‘have it all’ means ‘have as much hot alpha sex as possible without any consequences.'”

    And the sneaky Democrats, says B-Skillet, are willing to subsidise this with things like free contraception, thereby winning for themselves the “slut vote”.

    What this election proves beyond doubt is that “Republicans lose because they discount the existence of original sin in women.”

    • HT says:

      Huh? Are these men sane? Women want to delay marriage because they are sluts and want hot alpha sex? To those men I say – Listen cretins, women are equally capable of taking care of themselves and given a fair road to success (which you guys are impeding) they don’t need marriage.

    • bostonboomer says:

      Good grief!

  4. ecocatwoman says:

    One result of the election that I’ve seen no coverage of is Prop 37 in CA, labeling GMO foods. It lost. Although saddened, I can’t say that I’m surprised. Here’s some coverage from Treehugger: http://www.treehugger.com/corporate-responsibility/defeat-in-the-face-of-a-money-machine-the-next-steps-for-gmo-labeling.html The food industry has deep pockets & tight control. They outspent the proponents 6 to 1. Money may not have had much influence on the elections, but it certainly did in this case.

    Again, great post. Thanks for focusing on women’s role in determining the election results. Maybe if we passed women’s personhood bills, the world would realize that women have very important roles in society. We aren’t the Silent Majority, we’re the Invisible (and inconsequential?) Majority to the guys running the show. Set decoration? Child incubators & child caretakers? And I thought this was the 21st Century. More of us need to speak up & speak out.

    BTW, Allen West is calling for a recount. He ain’t goin’ away quietly. Murphy has a 2700 vote lead over West, which isn’t enough to qualify for an automatic recount. It makes me so proud (NOT!) to live in the state constantly in the news for title of most ridiculous. The Tragic Kingdom ain’t just in Orlando any more.

    • HT says:

      Who would vote against labeling GMOs? That one is a puzzler for sure. I sure don’t want to ingest them.

    • bostonboomer says:

      I can’t understand the anti-GMO labeling vote either. What harm could it do? Would it be a big overhead expense or something?

      • mjames says:

        The anti-Prop 37 campaign was very clever. It had some poor farmer saying how it would cost him so much money he’d go out of business. Very effective. And on all the time. The farmer was very likeable. In addition, the ads claimed our food bills would rise something like $400/year. Plus all the major papers were against it, because it was too convoluted – or something.

        After that barrage, I still wonder why can’t I know what I’m eating.

      • ecocatwoman says:

        I think that the bottom line is that Monsanto makes a very large part of their profits from GMO products. Their goal is to CONTROL the food supply. If the majority of people get it into their heads that GMO = BAD, Monsanto is going to have to come up with a different business model, which they don’t want to do.

      • roofingbird says:

        Plus the Dem Party said no in their last minute mailer. So the greenish folks who might have voted for it had conflicting info.

  5. I don’t know if it has been brought up here, but Paul Ryan lost in his hometown: John Nichols: Paul Ryan and the terrible, horrible, no good, very bad Election Day

    • ANonOMouse says:

      Heard that last night on Rachel. Too bad he didn’t lose his Congressional seat. What a fraud that guy is.

  6. Pat Johnson says:

    People like Bill O’Reilly maintain that it was not so much the “women vote” that helped Obama but the “single women” vote that did it.

    Meaning, of course, all those “sluts” who want nothing more than to have sex, sex, sex, without paying the consequences! You know those sirens who entice nice men like Bill to cheat on their partners and want you to pay for the privilege.

    This is coming from the 4 time married playbook of Rush Limbaugh who depict single women having sex as whores.

    I’ll bet that when these apes feel like “getting lucky tonight” they are not asking how these ladies are paying for their contraceptives.

    • HT says:

      Jeebus, they inspire bile. How about those young single men who are out having sex, sex, sex? Or those middle aged and older men having sex sex sex. Perhaps it’s time for these anachronistic old white men to take a long, hard look in the mirror.

    • ANonOMouse says:

      These guys who are stuck in the 50’s need to be herded off a cliff.

    • bostonboomer says:

      I guess Bill O’Reilly doesn’t believe in empirical evidence either, because married women went for Obama. Hahahahahahaha!

  7. ANonOMouse says:

    Karl Rove will be forced to dance with the one who BRUNG HIM:

    “Many of the lightning bolts were aimed at none other than Karl Rove, the former Bush administration political genius who oversaw the deployment of nearly $400 million in campaign spending through outside groups American Crossroads and Crossroads GPS toward the presidential race and toward numerous Senate and House races.

    “The billionaire donors I hear are livid,” one Republican operative told The Huffington Post. “There is some holy hell to pay. Karl Rove has a lot of explaining to do … I don’t know how you tell your donors that we spent $390 million and got nothing.”

    Rove even suffered the indignity of being insulted on Twitter by the blustery Donald Trump, who had attended Romney’s election night party here on Tuesday night, but left early after it was clear that Obama had won a second term.

    “Congrats to @KarlRove on blowing $400 million this cycle. Every race @CrossroadsGPS ran ads in, the Republicans lost. What a waste of money,” Trump tweeted, inaccurately.

    Crossroads GPS spent money in the Nevada Senate race, where Republican incumbent Sen. Dean Heller defeated Democratic challenger Shelley Berkley. The group also spent money on numerous House races.

    Rove was forced to defend his group’s expenditures live on Fox News on Tuesday night, and will hold a briefing with top donors on Thursday, according to Politico.”

    Brghahahahahaha. breaks my heart, NOT!!!

    • ecocatwoman says:

      I hope someone has a cell phone to record That meeting. Karl Rove getting spanked – WHOO HOO!

    • HT says:

      Revenge is a dish best served cold. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving flunky. Actually looking at a picture of Rove, he really is a flunky isn’t he.

    • mjames says:

      Also out here in CA he lost big on Prop 32, the anti-union Prop running as anti-special interests. Massive air time. Some decent ads on the other side, explicitly naming Rove, but nowhere near the money spent. People saw through it anyway. This was a giant defeat.

    • janicen says:

      Just before the election, I saw Howard Dean allude to the Republicans, specifically Crossroads, blowing all that money. He was referring to the Democrats’ ground game in the key swing states and he said something like, “We were smart and spent our money on operations on the ground rather than wasting it all on TV ads that don’t work.” It was a direct shot at Rove and as usual, Dean was spot on.

    • NW Luna says:

      Karl Rove the mastermind is no more. After blustering about the Ohio results he was shown up by reality, delivered to him by some Fox News numbers guys. Hahahahaha!

  8. Pat Johnson says:

    Hopefully we have seen the end of Donald Trump and his insanity.

    All those GOP wannabes who paid tribute to this asshole with private meetings while begging for his benediction must be asking themselves why they felt the need to debase themselves at the feet of this lunatic.

    At least one would hope so since his race based charges and insane rantings brought out the “real” Donald during this race and anyone with half a brain could see that.

    The only thing he accomplished was to speed up his irrelevancy once and for all.

    • HT says:

      One can only hope – from your lips to the goddess’s ears.

    • ANonOMouse says:

      Brian William’s is in a bit of a war on words with Trump becuse he dared to state the obvious. William’s said that Trump had driven past the last exit. I hope NBC gets rid of Trump or cancels his show altogether, He’s shown himself to be a complete whackadoodle carnival barker.

      • ecocatwoman says:

        Brian must be spending way too much time with Jon Stewart. Judging from things Jon has said on his show, I get the impression he & Brian are buds. And Stewart has absolutely no patience for the likes of The Donald.

    • HT says:

      Wow, 6 billion dollars? Would that it could have been invested wisely in stuff like, I don’t know, reducing the debt? And these guys are upset about paying more tax, yet they throw money at political races – why?
      Must admit, I am sad that I am going to have to look for a replacement for my Home Depot addiction, but I refuse to continue supporting that man. And Adelson got what he deserved – nothing.

      • ecocatwoman says:

        I shop Lowe’s or Ace. Will not shop Home Depot.

      • Greywolf says:

        I’m a bit stuck when I try to avoid supporting these fools. The main competition for Home Depot around here is also a pro-conservative backer. Way too many business owners don’t respect the people that make up their customers and employees.

      • RalphB says:

        Lowe’s has a lot better service than Home Depot here and the prices are not any higher.

    • ANonOMouse says:

      And the right wing SCOTUS MEMBERS can kiss their grand scheme to give the plutocrats the ability to buy an election, GOODBYE!!!!!

      People Power.

    • Fannie says:

      Gone, is Home Depot credit card………..cut it up.

    • RalphB says:

      The really funny part is I think those cretins could have spend $12 billion and still lost just as big. Dave Weigel says most of the ads they ran were overpoweringly stupid.

  9. Joanelle says:

    Bb, this is a gret post – tied things up with a nice little bow

  10. bostonboomer says:

    Andrew Cohen: Why Mitt Romney Lost: A Simple, Overriding Theory

    May I suggest instead a simple, elegant overriding theory on why we won’t have a Romney Administration in 2013? No serious political party in America — no legitimate party in any viable democracy — can win an election by suppressing votes. So long as the Republican Party endorses (and enacts) voting laws designed to make it harder for registered voters to vote, so long as Republican officials like Ohio’s Jon Husted contort themselves to interpret those laws in a restrictive fashion, the Republicans will continue to play a loser’s game.

    That’s my theory, anyway, and I’m sticking to it. Having covered for the past two years the voting rights front in this epic election cycle, I have come to believe that the Republicans will begin to win presidential elections again only when they start competing for votes with the substance of their ideas. Instead of legislating on the theory that some people are too poor or too old or too lazy to vote, and for all their talk about freedom and the Tea Party, they should try to find ways to encourage the franchise in America, to nurture and protect it.

  11. Pat Johnson says:

    I wonder how soon the next slate of POTUS candidates begin to make themselves heard?

    Whispers of the possibility of Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio,Chris Christie, and Nikki Haley have begun to make the rounds from that side of the aisle.

    I give it until the summer of 2013 but some are predicting those “noises” to emerge right after the midterms set for 2014. My money is on Rick Santorum to take another plunge.

    The Dems are giving glances towards Andrew Cuomo, Hillary,Kristen Gillibrand, and Joe Biden.

    One thing for certain: as one race disappears the next slate of wannabes are out there seeking money and support before the inauguration is completed in January.

    The press just cannot abide a “vacuum” for long.

    • ecocatwoman says:

      Yep, so true. I’d also bet on Perry & Jindal jumping into the ring. The circus will be back in town soon. Too soon for me.

    • Fannie says:

      The ideal that republicans think Rubio can gather all the Latino voters is crazy, you can’t lump all latino’s in a bucket……….kinda like saying the Chinese and Japanese are alike, they aren’t, big differences between them.

  12. madamab says:

    Great post, BB!

    IMHO, it would behoove both Democrats and Republicans to keep in mind that women are more than half of the electorate, and we are sick and tired of being pushed around.

    I say, let’s make sure they don’t forget it. :evil:

  13. peggysue22 says:

    Great roundup, BB. The inside numbers are fascinating. The Republican meme that the ‘war on woman’ was bupkus, a Liberal plot is now forever shredded. So too should the voter suppression scheme that the GOP has made standard fare in elections. The electorate isn’t thrilled with a party that attempts to bar voters at the door.

    After being alarmed earlier yesterday by reckless statements by the losers [even Donald Trump tweeted it was time for Revolution], the tone of right-wing bloggers seemed to settle into gloomy End Time predictions: America has died. The Nation is lost. Etc., Etc., Etc. In fact, some of the statements have been so ridiculous that a reasonable person could say: the true believers really need psychotherapy.

    I’m still happy I switched on Fox News and managed to catch the Karl Rove meltdown live. If there was anything that encapsulated the Fox mindset, it was watching M. Kelly run to the stat room and confront their own number guys. “Are you sure?” she asked. “Are you confident?” The answer: 99.95% confident. Still, Rove whined that the call was ‘premature.’

    A beautiful moment!

    I hope the donors roast Karl Rove alive. Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy! As for Morris, I think he has more than egg on his face. The whole party needs intense intervention. Or delousing depending on your point of view.

    I hope Reid is sincere and ready to fight for Congressional reforms. We cannot have another 4 years of obstructionism and blockades from a delusional minority. And I hope POTUS remembers the things he spouted during the campaign and truly does stand with the middle-class, preserving our safety nets over capitulating to the 1%.

    I remain hopeful but time will tell.

    • ANonOMouse says:

      “Still, Rove whined that the call was ‘premature.’”

      It’s an ugly thought, but I’m going to guess that Karl Rove is probably an expert on “premature”. :-)

      • Pat Johnson says:

        I just fell off my chair laughing!

      • ANonOMouse says:

        LOL!!!! There’s absolutely no aspect of Karl Rove that doesn’t create a great joke opportunity in my mind.

      • peggysue22 says:

        Hahahaha! Good one, Mouse. Watching Bush’s Brain stroke out was a heavenly gift. The little toad was twisting in the wind. He deserves much worse, of course. Like prison time. But the meltdown was so-o-o-o emotionally satisfying.

      • RalphB says:

        :-) great one Mouse!

    • RalphB says:

      Glad you’re feeling better today. The wingnuts are just working their way through the 5 stages of republican grief. They’ll be back to “obnoxious assholery” soon enough.

  14. ANonOMouse says:

    I have my Rainbow Flag flying high this morning (which is a bit daring in my neighborhood) because it looks like we won all 3

    Victory at hand in WA.

    http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/gay-marriage-advocates-declare-victory-in-washington?ref=fpb

    • NW Luna says:

      Fly that proudly, Mouse!

      King County [Washington] Executive Dow Constantine today thanked Washington voters for approving Referendum 74: “Marriage equality is now the law of the land in Washington State, thanks to voters who have made our state, Maryland, and Maine, the first in the nation to recognize this civil right at the ballot box. We can all be proud that our state is on the right side of history. ….

      “I want to thank all the legislative leaders for their tenacity in keeping the issue in front of the state Legislature. I have one of the pens Governor Gregoire used to sign the marriage equality bill into law, and I look forward to using that same pen to personally issue the first marriage license to a same-sex couple in King County on the first day the law goes into effect, December 6.”

      New extended and Saturday hours for issuing marriage licenses on the first few days!

      http://kingcounty.gov/exec/news/release/2012/November/07Referendum74.aspx

      • NW Luna says:

        Marriage equality passing 51.9% to 48%

      • RalphB says:

        At last, a state with a climate I could live with where my daughter and her partner could be married. WA, fk yeah!

      • ANonOMouse says:

        NWLuna,,,,,You’re on the other side of the country, but I’m as happy for you and my sisters and brothers who have the opportunity to marry their partner, as I would be if it happened here in bumfuckerville. Just flying a rainbow flag, sporting equality & pride auto stickers or even wearing our Pride T-shirts to vote was taking a walk on the wild side in this community just north of the birthplace of the KKK. Obviously, without a SCOTUS decision in our favor, my partner and I will not live long enough to see marriage legalized in our state, but that doesn’t mean we don’t appreciate every victory won by the LGBT community everywhere it happens and everytime it happens. Congrats!!!!!

      • HT says:

        Ralph, are you going to invite all of us to your daughter’s wedding. Need to know so I can save up the schekels.

      • RalphB says:

        If and when a wedding occurs, everyone is absolutely invited. Though I doubt they would want to move since where we are now is very LGBT friendly and accepting.

    • HT says:

      Ralph, I must admit I would consel everyone not to get married – costs too much in terms of grief and money. RElationships are difficult. In the interim, give your daughter and her partner a celebratory hug from me.

  15. Ron4Hills says:

    One comment about Dick Morris blaming Chris Christie.

    If the Republicans had one once of integrity, compassion, sense of duty, patriotism or political acumen, they would have been falling all over themselves praising Chris Christie for falling all over himself praising the President.

    Mitt Romney should have immediately called out anyone criticizing Christie. He should have said, ” I applaud the Governor for standing with the President and I stand with them both. I stand ready to do anything the Governor or the President might ask on behalf of the citizens affected by Hurricane Sandy and I urge anyone who supports my campaign to do the same!”

    But then again, if you don’t feel that stuff you probably should say that stuff.

    • ANonOMouse says:

      True that Ron. Romney missed opportunity after opportunity to behave like a man with some damned compassion and common sense. Romney now has the time to go on back to finding new and novel places to hide his money.

      • Pat Johnson says:

        The “unsung hero” in this is the guy who secretly recorded Mittens addressing that crowd of millionaires: this is when the “real” Mitt Romney emerged.

        He never cared about anyone other than himself. He never stood up to the likes of Rush Lumbaugh when he attacked Sandra Fluke. He continued to support Mourdock even in the face of his outlandish comments. He never addressed the fair pay issue.

        Mitt “played it safe” and this is what he got. The public saw a man unwilling to challenge a radio shock jock for fear of losing the Lunatic Fringe. He stood by Santorum when he spoke out against gay rights in the military. He openly lied about the Ohio auto bailout.

        Mitt never stood with one contingency that was not infused with money. This is Mitt and it always has been.

      • bostonboomer says:

        I think the “guy” could have been a woman. She/he uses the handle Ann Onymous on Twitter.

    • peggysue22 says:

      I absolutely agree, Ron. I’m a native of NJ and though I don’t share Christie’s political stances in most cases [the man does, in fact, support limited gun control, believes in climate change and evolution and thinks the Muslim haters are crazy], the Governor was doing his job for his constituency. The devastation of Sandy requires big bucks for restoration. Only the Fed and FEMA can provide that. The idea that he was suppose to snub POTUS is insane. Christie has been plenty critical of Obama in the past but this was neither the time nor place. He did what he had to do and yes, he got teary eyed and hugged and praised the President. And for that he’s labeled a traitor by the GOP? I can tell you quite sincerely that anyone who grew up in New Jersey and spent countless summer days at the shore was heartbroken by those pictures coming in.

      In this instance, Governor Christie should be congratulated for putting his people over politics. And Obama acted with the quickness and compassion that Americans in general and New Jersey residents specifically should applaud not condemn.

      • Ron4Hills says:

        Now, and I say this with every hope for the best, they have to KEEP IT UP! If any of the prompt response and non-partisanship was for show during the election they will never be forgiven.

  16. NW Luna says:

    The latest furor is about Washington State congressional candidate John Koster, who opposes abortion even in cases of rape and incest and added for good measure that “incest is so rare, I mean it’s so rare.”

    Koster got trounced, and in a newly-redrawn district, by …… (drumroll) …. a woman.

    Suzan DelBene 60.%
    John Koster 39.7%

    Goddess’ will.

    http://vote.wa.gov/results/current/Federal-All.html

    • HT says:

      Just retribution for a man who even the neandertahls would refuse to accept as one of their own.

      • Pat Johnson says:

        Yet these crazies manage to make it through the primaries.

        And regardless of how we see them as perfect fools, the votes in MO show that Akin earned over 1 million votes in the face of his insanity.

        That’s 1 million plus people willing to vote for him.

      • HT says:

        yeah Pat, that is troubling. Why would people vote for these “white bread’ men in the first place. And to clairify, I am whiter than white. I can’t go out in the sun without a hat.

      • RalphB says:

        Just goes to show there are more than 1 million morons in Missouri.

    • RalphB says:

      JUst a friendly reminder, Republicans have won the popular vote in just one out of the last six presidential election. h/t Josh Marshall

    • bostonboomer says:

      Yay!!

  17. RalphB says:

    Joel Berenson, President Obama’s pollster, has a remarkably clear eyed description of the election and why Obama won.

    New York Times: Values, Not Demographics, Won the Election

    The president’s victory was a triumph of vision, not of demographics. He won because he articulated a set of values that define an America that the majority of us wish to live in: A nation that makes the investments we need to strengthen and grow the middle class. A nation with a fair tax system, and affordable and excellent education for all its citizens. A nation that believes that we’re most prosperous when we recognize that we are all in it together.
    [...]
    Moreover, Mr. Obama’s strength on the economy was not about “empathy,” as many experts asserted. Rather, for average working-class and middle-class Americans who have believed for nearly a decade that the economic system in America had fallen out of balance for people like them, the president’s personal story and policies engendered trust because they connected with voters’ lives, aspirations, and beliefs about what it would take to create the future they wanted. That trust was the central economic test in this election.
    [...]
    On the eve of the election, only 44 percent of voters said that Mr. Romney’s views were in line with the views of most Americans, while 48 percent said his views were out of touch. By contrast, 52 percent said Mr. Obama’s views were in line and only 43 percent said they were out of touch.

    This was a bellwether election. Americans made a choice to side with a set of values and principles — and an agenda that would advance them — that they believe will offer not just economic recovery, but a restoration of the kind of opportunity and security that America long offered the middle class and those working to join it.

  18. HT says:

    Was pondering the trends today and I recalled a song from 1970 42 years ago, and we have yet to witness the new world. 42 years and for the rights of women – nothing has changed.

  19. RalphB says:

    The fraudster is a Republican :-)

    New Mexico Police Look Into Possible In-Person Voter Fraud

    Authorities in New Mexico are investigating an Albuquerque father who allegedly showed up at a polling place to vote on behalf of his 18-year-old son, news station KOB reported on Tuesday night.

    According to Bernalillo County Clerk Maggie Toulouse Oliver, elections workers got suspicious when the silver-haired father showed up to vote and told them he was born in 1994. He was still allowed to cast a ballot, but the workers took down his license plate number when he left. Later, he showed up at a different location and voted under his own name, according to KOB.

  20. RalphB says:

    President Obama will travel to Bangkok, Thailand; Rangoon, Myanmar; and Phnom Penh, Cambodia later this month, the White House announced Thursday.

  21. RalphB says:

    TP: Why Americans Actually Voted For A Democratic House

    Based on ThinkProgress’ review of all ballots counted so far, 53,952,240 votes were cast for a Democratic candidate for the House and only 53,402,643 were cast for a Republican — meaning that Democratic votes exceed Republican votes by more than half a million.

  22. pdgrey says:

    Sorry I haven’t been here for the fun. I had to step away from everything for awhile. Honestly my anxiety level got so high Tuesday starting with my voting hell and stupid shit my husband said, (he really should be a republican, but he is not) every conversation we have he uses stupid straw man talking points. UGH
    I haven’t gone away, just needed to breathe normal again. So here is a link I loved. Also I wanted to say if Obama doesn’t help the people that saved him, I am going to be really disappointed.
    And there could not be a cuter little girl than Sasha Obama! :)

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/08/sasha-obama-reminder-election-night_n_2092555.html