The Cult of Pat Robertson Culls the Herd

The shocked look of Fox Newsbots that believed all the pap they spooned out and were fed during 2012 has been replaced by the quiet realization that attacking every group of people in the country just isn’t going to get your freaks into office.  However, late last night as the returns came in, the biggest predators of the Republican Party were already looking for what they considered the weakest links in the voters that rejected them yesterday. I took my eye off the Chicago Celebration long enough to hit FOX news, CNBC, and CBN.

CBN broadcasters did not share that shell shocked look given by a demographic shellacking that characterized the CNBC and FOX news commentariat.  It was evident that Robertson and his US version of the Taliban are not going stop their religious war on women, GLBT, science, and reason.  They’re going to try another tactic. They were signalling their intent to be more sensitive to immigration issues.  They’ve decided that it’s possible to still go after the civil rights of others by loosening up on their kill the brown invader approach to immigration.

Robertson’s group has looked at Hispanics before with their greedy, little soul snatching eyes. John McCain and the  Bush brothers have enjoyed decent support by segments of the Hispanic population which isn’t–as they say–monolithic.  Cuban Americans have always trended Republican insisting that US policy towards Castro and Cuba stay in Cold War mode. Cubans, however, can stay in the country as long as they can put a foot on US soil.  This is not how the country approaches the immigrants of other Hispanic nations.

As Hispanic voters grow in number and influence (Hispanics are the fastest-growing segment of America’s electorate), some conservatives wonder why Republican candidates don’t spend more time reaching out to them instead of joking about an electric fence.

According to Jennifer Korn, with the Hispanic Leadership Network, although most Latinos identify themselves as Democrats, “when you ask about the specific issues they all trend conservative. We’re talking about issues in the economy, smaller government, even religion.”

Rev. Samuel Rodriguez, president of the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference, appeared on “The 700 Club” today to talk to Pat Robertson about why Republicans need the Latino vote, educating undocumented teenagers, and the way he believes Jesus would have Christians approach immigration reform.

As I said, Robertson seems to know more about target marketing and recruiting than your average Republican Zealot.  Last night, he was talking loosening up on immigration policy.  This morning, we begin to see that this may indeed by the way the Republicans try to become relevant again.

Mitt Romney and the Republican Party’s tremendous difficulty appealing to Latino voters dealt a significant blow to their chances of winning in 2012.

Romney got off on the wrong foot with Latino voters early in the campaign. During the GOP primary, he took a hard line on immigration, endorsing the concept of “self-deportation” that would implement immigration crackdown policies to spur undocumented immigrants to leave the country on their own.

The Republican candidate tried to moderate his rhetoric over the next several months, but the damage was already done. According to the national exit polls, Obama won 71 percent of the Latino vote while Romney won 27 percent. That’s an improvement over Obama’s 2008 performance when Latinos backed him 67-31 percent over Republican John McCain and the largest Democratic margin since 1996. To give you an idea of how badly the GOP’s Latino support has eroded, just eight years ago, George W. Bush won around 40 percent of the Latino vote.

Obama faced questions about higher-than-average unemployment among Latino voters and a lack of progress on immigration reform during his first term. But he was able to energize Latino voters, especially after he enacted a program over the summer to provide a temporary reprieve from deportation to young undocumented immigrants.

Conservative Democrats even believe that the issue of immigration reform may be one of the first items where Republicans may actually reach across the aisle to save their skins.  Tim Kaine believes Republicans will become more willing to discuss immigration reform.

“There’s so much bad that’s going to happen if we go over this fiscal cliff and I think that’s going to bring both parties together for a solution that’s going to springboard into a bigger picture budget deal,” Kaine said the morning after Election Day. “I do think the Republican Party’s going to look in the mirror and decide that they need to work hand-in-hand on issues like immigration reform.”

“In the future of the Republican party, they’re not going to be able to continue to put such a hard face toward Latino voters and so that’s going to provide an opportunity for another significant issue where we can build bridges early in 2013,” he said.

President Obama has repeatedly listed immigration reform as something he believes Democrats and Republicans could find agreement on after the presidential election.  The president has said avoiding the fiscal cliff would be his top priority after the election and has said he believes he could find support for immigration reform in his second term.

Obama’s victory on Election Night was aided in part by his strong edge among Latino voters, who broke for the president 69 percent to 29 for GOP challenger Mitt Romney.

This jaded attempt to maintain the Republican party’s core commitment to rolling back the rights of women, GLBT, and minorities may fail.  But, it could very well succeed.  The Republican Party was generally quite successful when it used code words–instead of blatant dog whistles–to signal to Ralph Reed’s army of zombies or the Chamber of Commerce that they would be amenable to gutting the rights of workers, women, and minorities.  I’m afraid the lessons of this election will be that they need to go back to their subtle approach.  The key will be how susceptible the Tea Party nuts will be to the suggestion they roll back their rhetoric.  The worst Republican defeats–and ones where the demographics played in their favor–were districts where over-the-top rhetoric scared off the electorate.  Believe me, the rhetoric won’t stop in party offices.  They’ll just try to go back to the day when they can signal their own that they hate affirmative action and birth control. Can they gussy up their weirdos enough to make them camera-friendly in two years?

As Republican after Republican made crackpot comments about rape, contraception, and abortion, the GOP’s rightwing brain trust unfailingly followed up and said, yeah, that’s what we believe, that’s what we’ve always believed.

And because the conventional wisdom had always been that autonomous, sexually active women and the men who love them are just a fringe constituency, instead of questioning the wisdom of attacking them, the big brains questioned the wisdom of having Sandra Fluke speak at the Democratic Convention.

I always knew this issue was a winner for the Democrats, but now I’m beginning to think that it affected everything else as well. That is, Romney’s crackpot economic and environmental policies might have had more traction with voters if so many of them were not convinced that he represented and was listening to a bunch of lunatics who were totally out of touch with how human beings live. In tough times, you might go for a small-government reformer who says he has a plan to turn things around if you trust him. Americans have bought bigger grifters than Romney; a lot of them haven’t even figured that the nice old man who unleashed the markets in the 1980s set them up for the hard times we have now.

Who knows what a Romney campaign might have achieved if he’d decisively cut loose the Erick Erickson contingent and run like a man trying to be governor of Massachusetts?

The likes of Pat Robertson, Pat Buchannan, Michelle Bachmann, and Allen West–who wear their emotional and mental issues on their sleeves with pride instead of seeking help–always tend to scare off the electorate in fairly predictable cycles.  These aren’t eccentrics.  These are people with serious issues that have managed to become successful despite their obvious need for some kind of help.  George Will is an asshole. Michelle Bachmann needs help. There’s a distinct difference.  Americans viscerally react to these people in the same way they react to folks that wander our streets and talk to themselves.   We know there’s something off there.  There’s some brain chemistry that needs correcting or some therapy that should be applied.  Republicans, however, don’t get these people the help they need, they try to keep them below the camera as much as possible to help their coalition.  The trouble comes when they sneak into the public view and become the latest Barnum act on You Tube or The Daily Show.  Democrats send their Anthony Weiners off to rehab. Republicans let their persons with issues smolder and fester and work to subvert. They harness the crazy to plow the fields.

I turned on TV this morning long enough to see that there was the usual punditry hand wringing and pearl clutching going on about the future of the Republican Party. They actually think this will make the party change.  This same conversation happened the last time Obama got elected, and yet, we did not see any course correction. We saw the nascent obstruction agenda.

Republicans got worse and they came back during the midterms to win back the House of Representatives at a time when they could gerrymander districts.  West may be gone, but the underlying district structure is still there.  The same agenda with a different mask and the toned-down approach of a different grifter just might keep the party from a much needed session on a couch.   Fred Barnes has already shown that denial is a really potent ego defense and he’s in no mood to change the party platform.

As hard as Republicans tried, they were unable to upset the balance of political forces.

What’s their problem? In Senate races, it’s bad candidates: old hacks (Wisconsin), young hacks (Florida), youngsters (Ohio), Tea Party types who can’t talk about abortion sensibly (Missouri, Indiana), retreads (Virginia), lousy campaigners (North Dakota) and Washington veterans (Michigan). Losers all.

And those are just the Senate contests decided yesterday.

See those words I put in bold?  This leads me to believe they just will not get it.  The problem is the packaging.   We just need a few more folks that know how to sell the flim flam without scaring teh good womenz and teh civilized brown people.  So, mark my word.  We’re about to get a new face on the same old package.  We’re about to see the grand appeal to as many Hispanics as they can cull from what they perceive as a ‘herd’.  The Republican party is basically a group of extremely old, rich white men that manipulate and use true believers in guns, gawd, jingoism, and white exceptionalism to get more money and assets.  I wish I could believe they’ll change, but I don’t.

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61 Comments on “The Cult of Pat Robertson Culls the Herd”

  1. RalphB says:

    Great. and I do mean great, post! A little packaging won’t save the GOP. Either they really change some of their positions or they are gone. I still believe Americans are too smart to be hornswaggled again.

    • dakinikat says:

      I hope I’m wrong on this. They’ve been in the position to actually become less strident and each time they get worse. They just learn how to hide it for awhile until the freaks come out of the corners and get their freak on. I think how the teaparty handles suggestions is going to be important. and thx, for the compliments … I was thinking on this all night after I watched the CBN exchange. One participant was a serious lawyer.

      • bostonboomer says:

        You’re not wrong. The Tea Party and the evangelicals have taken over the party. Reasonable Republicans like Charlie Crist and Olympia Snowe are leaving or giving up on changing anything.

      • I think you are spot on with this post Dak, and the way Boehner and his group of marry men are acting now is proof of the move back to like you said, subtle:

        I’m afraid the lessons of this election will be that they need to go back to their subtle approach.

        Yup, me too.

    • peregrine says:

      Because they’ve come this close to a win with their lying, crappy p and vp candidates, I don’t think they’ll change much. They’ll stop the whackadoodles and they’ll package, lie and conceal, more stealthily. I like political strategies and I’ve watched how they’ve worked year in and year out on returning their candidates to office. ecocat mentioned Gingrich and, not having listened to Terry Gross’ interview with Ornstein (?) yet, Gingrich with his Contract with America and shutting down the government for 28 days did set the tone and strategy for these conservative republicans. They have gone too far to the right in many cases, but that 1994 strategy is still at work. They weren’t sharp enough about their opposition to disallow cell-phones at that famous fundraiser, but they will be now. Romney was too much out of the mainstream to understand 99% of Americans. BUT, many of the mc voted for this ultra-rich, businessman because he seemed smart, had run a successful business, and promised jobs.

      Two last things are: if they are as clever as I believe they are, they will most likely heavily push forward non-white (brown, black, if they can find any like Michael Steele), women, and younger candidates. Lying big and shamelessly is now the new low bar in campaigning that in the future I expect a candidate will say absolutely anything to win and will govern however his party overlords demand. Maybe we are not tricked by these politicians, but many are and will continue to be. They don’t believe in hope and change; they’re conservatives!

      • peregrine says:

        I’ll add they’ll have to moderate some of their positions, particularly on immigration and women’s issues because, like Graham (SC) said they didnt lose because they weren’t conservative enough. I offer no specifics, but they can start with no more voter oppression and fraud. I don’t see cooperation on the deficit debates on the horizon.

      • peregrine says:

        I’ll add more (ha!). They are clinging so much to the comfortable past that it will take a few more defeats before they’ll begin a little movement, just a step or two, toward the center. If they balk, the dems have to crush them, time and time again. It’s past time for a woman to run for the presidency. Here’s hoping that the dems beat them to that first in 2016.

      • janey says:

        They won’t change their beliefs, they will just lie to some groups to get them on their side. They will lie to the latinos about immigration reform and rely on the fact that they are mostly Catholic to keep their pro-life stuff alive. The neo-cons will still want to deny women contraception and the right to vote if they can. They are talking about the 14 th amendment also. More and more they remind me of Nazis. Read up on the Nazis and you will agree.

      • ecocatwoman says:

        I do highly recommend the Ornstein interview. The podcast is online now: http://www.npr.org/2012/11/07/164609577/ornstein-could-a-second-term-mean-more-gridlock I wish there was a transcript, but there isn’t. Ornstein mentioned AEI getting a group of politicians together that included Cheney, Gingrich & others (whose names I can’t remember). This was, I believe, shortly after Gingrich was elected to the House. He later discussed the Koch Bros & how they’ve gone state to state with voter suppression, gerrymandering districts, and getting control of the judiciary. The Koch Bros are the real danger & should be the focus of an all out attack by the left, middle & even the few remaining reasonable Republicans, IMHO. These guys are BAD – HItler reincarnated with LOTS & LOTS of money & power.

    • Beata says:

      A little packaging by the GOP worked very well in Indiana yesterday. Sure, Tea Party nutjob Richard Mourdock was defeated in his bid for the Senate. The guy’s a serial loser. He’s been running for office for years. He lost the House race three times in my district. Mourdock’s a stupid joke who can’t STFU about what he really believes long enough to win a major race. But Mike Pence is a smart guy. Unlike Mourdock, he knows how to package himself. When Pence started running for Governor, gone was the Tea Party darling with the rabidly conservative social views he had been spewing for years in the House and before that on his Indiana radio program. Suddenly, we saw a nice, moderate Pence who loved to walk through Hoosier cornfields and go ice-skating with his wife. This new Pence had no social agenda. All he cared about was putting Hoosiers back to work! Planned Parenthood? What’s that? And it worked for Pence. But make no mistake about it, Mike Pence IS Richard Mourdock, albeit in a better-looking, better-sounding package. If Pence can pull off a major victory, so can others like him. Watch out.

      • HT says:

        Too true Beata, they are chameleons – one day they are moderate, the next raving right wing nutjobs. I hope that the rest of the electorate undersand this, otherwise……

  2. ANonOMouse says:

    Robertson is just an old dried up prune con-man, as is his son and all of their guys with pompadours and bling, and their ladies with big hair and long nails. Everytime a surf past CBN I cringe because even the deaf can hear their giant sucking machine.

  3. dakinikat says:

    This is a fun read from the FT;
    http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/c41cb87c-28d8-11e2-9591-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2BZF6IZzq

    The meeting will be held in an airless conference room of a think-tank somewhere in DC; or perhaps a hospitality suite at the Trump International Hotel in Vegas.
    This is not a homogenous group; some of the white men present are under 50. Not all are Republican party activists. Some are from influential political action committees such as the Campaign for an America That Looks More Like Us; Restore our Past; Tax Cuts for a Smaller Deficit, and Freedom Could Work Better. They are in poor spirits as they savour the bitter taste of election defeat. They resolve that the fightback starts here.
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    “The first thing to understand,” explains the older guy who seems to be in the chair, “is that this was not a victory for Obama. He did not win this election; Americans did not vote for four more years of Obama. His victory was simply a byproduct of our defeat.”
    “What’s more, conservatism was not defeated. It could not be because it wasn’t on the ballot paper.”
    It’s true. The real conservatives all did well, except for those who didn’t but who, they now realise, probably weren’t true conservatives.
    They all agree. But still, mistakes were made. The opposition had a better ground game; the message was blurred. “People weren’t sure that he was a true conservative. They worried that Moderate Mitt would reappear.”

    • RalphB says:

      Yes, we lost the female vote; but if you take away black women, Latino women, college-educated women, unmarried women and women who aren’t married to their first cousin then actually the percentages are about equal.” All this war on women nonsense is just got up by the liberal media – those women who don’t believe in freedom enough to let the government own their womb.

      Damn, I can almost see that happening. :-)

  4. mjames says:

    No, they’re never going to “get it.” They are not rational. They are not susceptible to or interested in facts.

    However, the voters, on balance, showed remarkable good sense in rejecting the vagina-controlling party and in accepting that gays and lesbians are human beings too and marijuana is not the Devil. And the old voting base of the Republican Party is dying off. The Southern Strategy is on its last legs. The Hispanics are a force to be reckoned with in the South, and few of them would fall for some BS reaching out by the party of intolerance.

    Now, it’s up to the Dems to “get it.” We need to move left. It’s that simple. That’s what’s important. Jobs and Social Security. Invest in the workers. Stop the wars (please!). That alone would “fix” Social Security. Cut the austerity crap (or if you want to fix the “deficit,” then collect from the Wall St. robbers, not us – we didn’t create or profit from this mess). Nix any Grand Bargain. Corrente has something up about Orszag saying how Social Security needs to be fixed. Orszag obviously has an agenda that has nothing whatsoever to do with what this election shows. (And, btw, how can anyone be talking about privatizing Social Security when all those 401k plans have lost so much? How stupid and doctrinal can you get?) The Dems could do very well and take back the House in two years if they bothered to listen to the electorate and stopped sucking up to the notion of bipartisanship with a bunch of zealots who don’t even understand the idea of compromise.

    So forget the Republicans and the Tea Party. They are just about officially obsolete. Since they are absolutely intransigent in their views, their goose is cooked! To mix my metaphors, we now have more important fish to fry.

    • HT says:

      Don’t tempt fate, to forget about them is to risk them going into hiding, building a political machine and seeing them coming back in full force. We used to think the KKK was a discarded ideology. They regrouped and changed their name. Now they are back full force, because you know that black fella took the WHITE house.

    • peregrine says:

      Romney was so removed from Hispanics and women that he had his son deliver a few sentences in Spanish at the RNC and he had Ann come out there with her “I love you,women” speech intro and appear on “The View” alone with those sharp-tongued women (!) after he cancelled. Amazing.

  5. dakinikat says:

    “I see people of color”

    http://colorlines.com/archives/2012/11/watch_a_colorado_gop_poll_watcher_report_a_high_concentration_of_people_of_color.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    According to the 2010 census, “White persons not Hispanic” made up less than 50 percent of Aurora’s population—and that’s a big change from just 20 years ago previously, when they made up nearly 80 percent of the city’s population. In some ways, Aurora is a present day microcosm of this country’s demographic future, which is shifting towards a numerical majority of people of color.

  6. dakinikat says:

    Ross Douthat is an asshat and and idiot but to understand that mindset you should read this.

    http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/07/douthat-the-obama-realignment/

    A weak nominee in many ways, he was ultimately defeated less by his own limitations as a leader, and more by the fact that his party didn’t particularly want to be reinvented, preferring to believe that the rhetoric and positioning of 1980 and 1984 could win again in the America of 2012.

  7. dakinikat says:

    http://apps.facebook.com/theguardian/commentisfree/2012/nov/07/obama-second-victory-more-impressive

    There are a few reasons to believe that this might change. The first is that the Republican party has reached a point where it will either have to change or die. This election effectively exposed it as a mono-racial party in an increasingly multi-racial state. At every rally you can see it. Regardless of the ethnic composition of the area in which they are held, the composition of rallies never changes. At the Republican convention one person threw peanuts and insults at a black camerawoman. The Grand Old Party is becoming the White People’s Party. And that is not only unbecoming, it is untenable.

    Every month 50,000 new Latinos become eligible to vote. What Tuesday night showed was that the new coalition Obama cohered in 2008 that mobilised the young, the brown and the black in unprecedented numbers was not just a one-off. Soon, North Carolina, Arizona and ultimately Texas will be tough to hold if Republicans refuse to challenge the xenophobia of their base.

    “This election is a critical juncture for the Republican party,” says Christine Sierra, who heads UNM’s Southwest Hispanic Research Institute. “Latinos would be a more diverse voting bloc if there were reasons to vote Republican. But without those reasons it’s possible they could become as cohesive a voting bloc as African Americans.”

    For the best part of half a century the Republicans have invoked Richard Nixon’s Southern strategy to prise suburban and southern whites away from the Democrats. “You have to face the fact that the whole problem is really the blacks,” Nixon told his chief-of-staff. “The key is to devise a system that recognises that while not appearing to.”

    • peregrine says:

      I agree. It’s what I was trying to say above. It will take this old white man’s party time to understand that you can’t exclude huge numbers of Americans from your party and continue to win and that they didn’t succeed in buying this election. Women and non-whites are not “lessers.”

  8. Red Dragon says:

    Dak:

    I am Mexican/Apache and I can tell you, the Latino community is just as divided as the rest of the Nation. Folks of the Mexican flavor ( so to speak ) tend to be overwhelmingly Democratic.

    There are many who allow religion to cloud their judgement. Many that cede control of their minds to those “Jesus talks To Me Con-Men” and allow these charlatans to take control of their lives! These poor souls fear a “Jesus Hates Me and GOD will disown Me” moment so much that they will go to extreme lengths to ensure GOD looks favorably on them…So much so that they will give their last nickle to the Church before they spend it on a bowl of noodles. I’ve witnessed this with my own two eyes…Sad!

    It is those poor, uneducated people that ” Jesus Pimps” like Robertson target. It is these people, those that believe they have no alternative, no hope but to pray to a “Sky God” for a better life that are taken advantage of by the Church and it’s Evangelical cousin!

    This is who they are going to target! This is the sub-section of the Latino community that the “Holy Hustlers” will court!

    So…We’ll begin to see a softening up on their hatred for the Jalapeno..( a term I coined and use quite often when describing the insanity of the “right’s hatred for a segment of the population that all politicians are going to have to come to grips with and pander to in the coming years.

    IMHO

    • Fannie says:

      I agree the tea party and evangelicals did hijack the republican party. They have been using all the tactics mentioned in prior post into thinking that women should be worried and scared about their future. They believe that Jesus is coming to clean this mess up, and that is partly why women in the republican party have become prisoners of war. They don’t have the will, and they are living on the brink of insanity…..as you say by the Jesus Pimps………

      I have several long term latina friends who are my age. They are life long catholics, and I had really good feedback from them last night, telling me we’re winning………Obama is winning and they are voted for him, because of birth control, and because they don’t trust the rich white man. These women did not voice their vote to their community or to their church or even to to their family………….they came out and said, pray for our Country, not pray for Obama. Those are the gimmicks they are using, and they want latinas in office, and the one on the surpreme court is a model for winning. They are our backers, and they have seen the system tilting against them far to long.

  9. RalphB says:

    Bush “won” (cough FL) in 2000 with 271 electoral votes. In 2004 he “won” (cough OH) with 286. Dubya and the punditocracy said he earned political capital.

    Since Obama won with a 332 landslide this time, he and the Democrats should tell the centrist pundits to take their “reach out to compromise” junk and shove it where the sun don’t shine!

    But that’s just my not so humble opinion.

  10. peggysue22 says:

    I’ve been reading some very freaky stuff today. In between doing other things, I’ve been popping up conservative sites, just to get a handle on the temperature. All the things Dak has mentioned are being expressed in highly vitriolic terms. But then, there’s other stuff–accusations of outright voting fraud [okay I was guilty of this after the 2000 and 2004 results]. In this case, it involves 10 million missing votes, votes cast for Obama in 2008 not found in this year’s tallies and the fact that Romney ended up with less than McCain. I’m not sure if any of this makes sense but that’s the story being circulated. Then, there’s the restatement that Obama and Michelle are spawns of Satan and all of this [election results] are indicators of the END TIMES [invoke spooky music].

    But more worrisome are comments suggesting ‘watergating’ POTUS and/or suggesting [with peanut gallery cheering] for the necessity of a military coup. This is outright treasonous in any reasonable person’s book.

    The freaks are coming out of the woodwork! These are the same folks who insist they’re the patriotic Americans and the rest of us are all communists [takers].

    Strange, dangerous times we’re living in.

    • RalphB says:

      So You Say You Want a Revolution. The National Review calling for a civil war, patriotically of course. Fucking nutbags!

      Time’s Up

      We’ve seen an important (though far from decisive) battle in the slow-motion civil war the nation is undergoing: The blue states want to secede not from America but from Americanism. They reject the American republic of God-fearing individuals in favor of the European ideal, which has only been government by aristocracy: either an aristocracy of birth or, nowadays, of ruling know-it-alls — of post-religious, globalist intellectuals (a.k.a. PORGIs). As I’ve said before — many others have too — you can’t graduate class after class after class of left-indoctrinated ignoramuses without paying the price. Last night was a down payment.

      But we’ve won civil wars and preserved the Union before. We’ll do it again — if we face up to the fact that we need to replace our schools and colleges now; the grace period has lasted a generation, but it’s over. I know we can do it and I’m pretty sure we will do it. Americanism is too strong and brilliant and young to die.

      • dakinikat says:

        Wow, talk rewriting American history. The mottos on our coins back then were “we are one” … the overwhelming theme of the revolution was to pull the 13 disjointed colonies together into one country and a united one … another motto “unite or die” …

        Some one should read their US history textbook.

      • RalphB says:

        Oh for general interest, PPP is the most accurate pollster of the 2012 election cycle. Take that Rasmussen :-)

      • peggysue22 says:

        Ralph said:

        “Patriotically, of course.”

        LOL. Except it’s really not funny and sadly the National Review is not the lone, howling wolf in this regard.

        These ‘are’ the nutbags that the GOP invited under the tent. It’s akin to screaming FIRE in the crowded theater. I’m amazed how many postings of ‘right on’ these incitements are inspiring. Then you add all the religious zealots and we’re off to the campgrounds.

        Incredible! Maybe this was always streaming under the radar and I naively believed represented only a tiny group of deranged individuals. But seeing this craziness pop up multiple times online today with all the accompanying cheers is disturbing to say the least. The other accusation is that the Democrats will now quickly turn the country over to the UN. It’s all this world-government-in-our-day paranoia. Last time out it was approving bicycle lanes and/or supporting mass transit infrastructure. Both presumably ensured the UN takeover during the 2010 elections.

        Now, it’s definitely the installation of Obamacare and death panels. Oy! I agree with Dak. This is what happens when you have historical revisionists leading the parade.

      • RalphB says:

        Peggy, This has been present ever since Obama was elected in corners of Wingnuttia, but with the re-election it’s broken out of it’s pen. I don’t know if it will stay out or move back into the more shadowy reaches.

        It is horrible and close to seditious now.

      • ecocatwoman says:

        A “civil” war? Please, what’s been waged by the Right is an Uncivil War.

      • RalphB says:

        Connie, I think uncivil war is too kind.

      • peregrine says:

        I was in such a good mood before I read that article. I even had a modicum of hope. Boy, does he ever have it backwards; they are the ignoramuses!

    • Fannie says:

      That’s what I was getting at peggysue22

  11. RalphB says:

    Fordham Study: Public Policy Polling Deemed Most Accurate National Pollster In 2012

    http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/fordham-study-public-policy-polling-deemed-most-accurate

  12. bostonboomer says:

    Ol’ Miss students “Respond to President Obama’s Re-Election with Racially-Charged Protest.”

    Mitt Romney won the state of Mississippi’s six electoral votes yesterday, but some students at the University of Mississippi were not at all pleased with President Obama’s re-election. Rather than get over it and move on, a group of Ole Miss students responded with a gross display of ignorance.

    The group congregated in front of several campus dorms to protest Obama’s re-election. Eventually, a reported 400 students gathered, trading racial epithets and “violent, politicized chants.” Several students were arrested, though none are said to have been charged. There have also been conflicting reports on whether or not rocks were thrown.

  13. RalphB says:

    This is a beautiful article!

    Ta-Nehisi Coates: Hippies Wander Into the Lions’ Den, Maul Lions

    • peregrine says:

      It’s a thought-provoking article listing the wins of the hippies 2012, Ralph, and the lions’ reaction is civil war! Blimey, a continuation, American-style, of the English religious wars between god-fearing people and us blue people.

      • RalphB says:

        Then we just maul them some more until they stop it. We need to try and hold Obama to do his best but we have to prepare for 2014. We shouldn’t stop until they are crushed.

  14. ecocatwoman says:

    dak, your post title couldn’t be more appropriate. Predators (which is an appropriate term, I feel, to describe the 1% and their co-conspirators) cull the very young, the old & the infirm from the herd of prey animals. I feel these predators see the 99% as prey, whether it’s to work to death & maximize the profits of the “job creators”, or to sell them their products in an endless cycle of consume & acquire. It’s that cycle that must be broken. There is strength in numbers & the only way to defeat these predatory creatures is to work together/organize.

  15. HT says:

    My aunt was a Robertson acolyte – don’t know why because other than that she was a very, very sharp woman. Anyway, when she died, my sister sent letters out to everyone that aunt had been intouch with. Two years later, we were still getting begging letters for more money, more money. That is what Robertson is all about – more money, more money.

    • Beata says:

      My grandmother was a Robertson follower as well. When she was an old sick widow, she donated at least $250,000 to his “ministry”. She may have given him considerably more. We weren’t able to find out after she died exactly how much he milked from her. It was quite a shock to the family. I’m sure my Quaker grandfather would not have wanted his hard-earned money to go to a con-artist like Robertson.

      • HT says:

        Beata, I suspect my aunt was also in the hundreds of thousands, which is probably why they kept pestering us after they had been advised of her death. It was really an ugly point in our lives, I had not been subjected to evangelists though my mom before she passed was actively involved – silly woman – as much as I loved her (and I did more than most can believe) she had no sense of reaity. Then I find out my aunt, who had a mind like a steel trap was mired in the same belief set. Then to have Robertson’s organization trying to milk out money two years after they had been advised of her death? A curse and pox on all these people. They don’t help, they just sow discord in order to rake in more money. I will ask again – my favourite question. HOW MUCH IS ENOUGH. IS THERE EVER ENOUGH?

  16. Linda C says:

    The republicans will never admit that their demise as a party actually started with Ronald Reagan. Ronnie let all of these religious wingnuts into the party to get him elected. Now they have taken over the party adding more wingnuts as the years went on. These people do not believe in science, reason or facts. So when the unemployment rate drops, it is a conspiracy of cooking the books. Global warming is a fraud, despite the science and the facts. When a pollster releases poll results not in tune with their own version of wonderland, the pollster is a hack, and liberal conspirator. When all is said and done, Obama won only because he had a better ground game than Romney. It had nothing to do with their own self-delusions. However, how does that translate into all of the Senate races? It is because Americans are more polarized voting straight party lines, not because their candidate believed in autophysiological mysticism of a woman’s body. The notion that women and brown people vote is really an “aha” moment for them even though that has happening fairly regularly for some time now.

    Do I believe they will turn on the predator act. That is all they do. Some democrat is going take away their guns or their god. I don’t think they ever really stopped to tell you the truth. It is the only thing they know.

    • HT says:

      Bingo, and they never will stop. I’ve been a liberal as long as I could draw breath. People like Romney supporters don’t stop – they take a time out and regroupt, then repackage.